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Posted on Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 3:04 p.m.

Group files petition in Ann Arbor seeking recall of Gov. Rick Snyder

By Cindy Heflin

Editor's note: This article has been updated with comments from Michigan Citizens United and the governor's office.

A group called Michigan Citizens United filed a petition seeking the recall of Gov. Rick Snyder with the Washtenaw County clerk's office this morning.

The group, which spokesman Tim Kramer said is made up of a broad coalition of Michigan residents, filed the petition at 10:01 a.m. this morning.

The group had to file the petition in Washtenaw County because this is Snyder's legal county of residence, said Matt Yankee, acting director of elections for Washtenaw County. Snyder lives in Superior Township.

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In order to force a recall of Gov. Rick Snyder, the group Michigan Citizens United will need to collect about 807,000 signatures.

A hearing on April 29 before the Washtenaw County Elections Commission will determine whether the petition wording is clear. At that point, the group can begin seeking signatures on recall petitions, Yankee said. The petition cannot actually be submitted to the state until six months after the governor took office, which is July 1.

In order to force a recall election, the group, which filed paperwork with the state last month to form a political action committee, will need signatures from enough people to equal 25 percent of those who voted for the office of governor in the last election. That's close to 807,000 names, Yankee said.

The hearing at 11:30 a.m. in the Board of Commissioners room in the Washtenaw County Administration Building, 220 N. Main St., will determine only whether the language on the petition is clear, Yankee said. If the wording is rejected, the group can file an appeal, Yankee said.

The petition wording says Snyder: "has approved and signed various laws that take authority and funds from local governments and school districts and vest them with the state. He has obtained for himself, through his appointed Emergency Financial Managers, the power to invalidate legal and binding contracts entered into by properly elected local authorities. He has sought tax increases upon retirees and lower income families, but instead of addressing the deficit, he has sought large new tax cuts for corporations and businesses."

On its website,, the group says it is seeking Snyder's recall over legislation that allows the appointment of an emergency financial manager for school districts and municipalities struggling financially.

Kramer said the group opposes the emergency manager law, among other policies of the governor.

"We don't like the tax decrease on corporations or the tax increase on Michigan families," he said. The group also opposes the governor's plan to end Michigan film tax credits.

Snyder spokeswoman Sara Wurfel said the governor will not be deterred by the recall effort.

"The governor’s committed to making the tough fiscal and policy decisions that have been put off for far too long," Wurfel said in a statement. "He knew full well that it wasn't going to be easy or a popularity contest, but he does hope that Michigan citizens will realize down the road that it will be well worth it. He’s staying focused on the job he was hired to do — turning around Michigan’s economy and making sure this is a place where we ALL can live, work, do business, play, and prosper."

The Michigan Republican Party issued a press release today calling Michigan Citizens United a front for the Michigan Education Association, the state's largest teachers union.

“The focus of our educational system should be on what is best for students — not what is best for union bosses,” Michigan Republican Party Chairman Bobby Schostak said in the press release. “Why are teachers’ union dues being spent on an effort to recall a governor who took office less than five months ago?”

The press release said records on file with the Michigan Secretary of State’s office show Michigan Citizens United has the same fax number as an MEA coordinating council and that the council’s field assistant, Gail Schmidt, is listed as the group's treasurer.

Kramer said Schmidt is the group's treasurer, and the group includes other MEA members, but also members from other unions and people who are not union members. "There are retirees, students and millworkers," he said. "It's not a front for the MEA."

The group has no office, Kramer said; its organizers work out of their homes. The recall language was submitted by Gerald D. Rozner, a Monroe resident.

Cindy Heflin is a news producer for Reach her at or at 734-623-2572.


Mark Miller

Tue, Apr 26, 2011 : 1:55 a.m.

On the one hand, those who claim this is an MEA front really don't realize or understand how deep and wide the disapproval of Gov. Snyder has become in just a few short months. If he had campaigned on a platform of having the power to dissolve local units of government by fiat, that would be one thing. But he didn't. On the other hand, no one has ever succeeded in getting this many petition signatures in this short a time, let alone without any special interest million$$ behind it, as this will not - all the special interests are on the other side. I'm not saying it can't be done; only that it can't be done without a superb and wide-ranging organizing effort, which I see no sign of - yet.

Joel A. Levitt

Thu, Apr 21, 2011 : 1:15 a.m.

1bit replying to my post (11:40 AM, 20 April) wrote: "Everyone wants a credit. Everyone wants a loophole." And, "The failing of your statement is the false insinuation that the Governor is only eliminating credits/loopholes for the poor." However, there was no insinuation, and, while, mostly "Everyone wants a credit. Everyone wants a loophole.", only the poor need them. 1bit also wrote: "What Gov. Snyder put forth is a PROPOSAL." And, ". Eliminating years of largess is hard work, but everything should be considered and debated." I agree, reforming our state is hard work and deserves extensive debate. However, debate that does not lead to action is a waste of time, and it is now time to act by recalling the Governor.

C. S. Gass

Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 9:34 p.m.

"He has obtained for himself, through his appointed Emergency Financial Managers, the power to invalidate legal and binding contracts entered into by properly elected local authorities." -- Um, yeah, only if no one takes it to court. There's this annoying little scrap of paper, they keep it in DC. It's called the US Constitution. You may have heard of it? Anyway, in it there's this clause, called the contract clause. Directly prohibits this sort of thing. His machinations in this direction will not stand up to legal challenge. Stop peeing your pants. As far as him cutting funding for programs and firing people, ok. What would you have him do? Tax the rich? They'll leave. His ideas are painful. But they are necessary with the state of this state. He wasn't my first choice, and no I didn't vote for Bernaro, but we're stuck with him, as a recall has zero chance. But go ahead, waste time you could be using to find a better job, make more money at your current job, or whatever.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 5:21 p.m.

Rick Snyder got elected posturing himself as a "moderate," but his agenda since taking office has been Tea Party all the way.

Joel A. Levitt

Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 6:27 a.m.

1bit replying to my post (4:27 PM, 19 April) wrote: "2. "Paying for state government with the limited assets of the poor..." This is not a proposal of the Governor." He's wrong. Here are two examples - reducing income tax revenues and relying on sales tax, and eliminating the earned income credit.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 11:09 p.m.

Everyone wants a credit. Everyone wants a loophole. Everyone has a stake in Michigan. From the billionaires, to the elderly, to the poor, to the working class, to the white collar workers and to the "union bosses." The failing of your statement is the false insinuation that the Governor is only eliminating credits/loopholes for the poor. How much more will the poor pay under the proposal? How much should they pay for their stake in Michigan? It is patently false that "the poor" will pay even a minority of the State governments finances. Instead, the intent of the proposal seems to be to eliminate most, if not all, special perks in the bloated tax code. What Gov. Snyder put forth is a PROPOSAL. He put it out there for debate. It's already changing. Since when are "liberals" so against the exploration of ideas? Every side has its sacred cows - that's part of partisanship. Eliminating years of largess is hard work, but everything should be considered and debated. Ad hominem attacks are a waste of time.

Joel A. Levitt

Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 3:40 p.m.

Gyre, you are wrong again. Continuing these policies when he is (?) trying to reform state finances is the next thing to imposing them. Also, try thinking about Snyder's proposal to tax pensions without means testing or his proposal to do away with the home heating credit.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 12:41 p.m.

As 1bit stated, the State Income Tax is not being decreased. It is staying where it is right now. Business taxes for small businesses is being adjusted to eliminate the double taxation that has been going on for years. Large businesses will not see any reduction. Pensions will be taxed, and why not. My 401k will be taxed. A State funded pension is using my tax dollars. It should be taxed. Your example of the poor paying sales tax already exists. The earned income credit may go away and that will affect everyone. Other than the last item, your bucket is full of holes and doesn't hold water.

Marshall Applewhite

Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 1:50 a.m.

Of course a union is filing this recall petition. If these people actually had to compete on the open market, there's no way they'd succeed. I find it absolutely astounding how many people are willing to support the continued downfall of this great state(and even working to ensure its failure).


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 1:16 a.m.

Throw the bum out. And tell him to take his carpet bagging EFMs with him.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:50 p.m.

I correctly predicted Rick Synder would win the Governors race, under a theory of mass enthusiasm in the Republican Party added with Ann Arbor voting for their local guy and a weak oppenent in Virgo, on a comment here on and I'm ready to extend my bating average. The petition will succeed. (No comment yet on if Synder loses in the run-off). The emergency financial powers are very unpopular. The tax on seniors pensions is unpopluar, do not underestimate the power of the AARP. Forcing Detroit to close one half of their schools, leading to 60 children per classroom, is unpopular. Finally, the national GOP image, is one of radical neocon social issues, which turns off moderate voters. Synder road the wave of "economic reform" and since taking office has let neocon social issues dominate Lansing. Same with the nation.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:52 p.m.

Opps hit enter. Flint and Detroit sat out 2010, they won't for this. Ann Arbor was split because Synder the hometown kid, won't be split this time. The AARP protested in Lansing, don't think they won't support the recall effort to send a message. Get ready for gridlock ...

Joel A. Levitt

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 8:27 p.m.

Correction: I wrote "tax" in my 10:50 AM post; I meant to write "cut." Like many of the more than 700 people who have already volunteered to work to recall Governor Snyder, I am not a union member. I believe that most of the Governor's program would severely damage Michigan if implemented. Reduced funding for education would chase business and, therefore, jobs away. The same is true of reducing the compensation of competent public employees, who will look for other positions in other states. Reduced funding for research would mean fewer high tech startups. Paying for state government with the limited assets of the poor would help to produce an unhealthy, ill educated, disruptive and, consequently, unproductive permanent underclass. Voiding state contracts is illegal, even when measures are contrived to eliminate the contracting parties. And, stripping power from local government is undemocratic, reducing the power of the voters and resulting in inappropriate one-size-fits-all policies. I am lucky to be able to pay more taxes to keep Michigan afloat. Now is the time to invest, not to cut. But, first, we must get Governor Snyder out of the way.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 10:22 p.m.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion and how you spend your time and money. Personally, I agree with others that this is a waste of time. Let's examine your points: 1. You make many arguments against reduced funding. You are also willing to pay more in taxes. Here is the good news - you are getting your wish on the latter. Rather than the reductions in taxes that were going to happen, taxes will remain at 4.35%. 2. "Paying for state government with the limited assets of the poor..." This is not a proposal of the Governor. 3. "Voiding state contracts is illegal, even when measures are contrived to eliminate the contracting parties." Then why not let the courts settle the matter as is the usual case? This whole thing strikes me as being "sore losers". Governor Snyder does not make the laws, he signs what the legislature sends him if he concurs. I think those following this course should be careful what they wish for...


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 7:28 p.m.

No Harvey, the governor's plan is simply corporate welfare at its best -- throw money to corporations with little or no stipulations and hope they decide to create jobs. It's never happened before and won't happen now. They'll just create or few jobs (or promise to...) and keep the money as profit (perhaps pay the CEO an extra bonus for his great lobbying or campaign contributions). $1.8 billion to corporations for 'creating jobs'. And there won't be any independent studies on real job creation or mechanisms in place to make sure that nearly $2 Billion isn't wasted. Just look at SPARK's phony numbers and that's where we will be in 3 years. Nice fantasy thinking; so much for the 'nerd' stuff.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 10:24 p.m.

Just because you keep repeating misleading comments about restructuring of the MBT doesn't make what you say true. Maybe you're more of a Dick Cheney-style Republican than you think...


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 9:23 p.m.

We can use the metric created by the Obama administration for "saved or created jobs", that seemed to work real well for them.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:12 p.m.

In tribute to WI and their Walker problem, I thought an update from Michigan's recall of Heir Richard/Sick Snyder would reciprocate inspiration. Yesterday the preliminary paperwork was filed in Sick's HOMETOWN courthouse here in Ann Arbor. A hearing is set for April 29 to approve the language of the recall petition. 2011 University of Michigan graduates, the very next day, will be able to sign and pass the petitions up and down the rows at their commencement in full view while alumni Sick rambles away at the podium over pervasive opposition. The Associated Press streams as "The Ann Arbor News" when it is only the sham mouthpiece for Sick and his hyper-partisans. If one addresses the latter's turpitude, they are summarily blocked. The a2.con is in no way a news service, just a partisan prophylactic, nothing more. Zero objective reporting, just tow the line of the Party of High Crime. Should you indulge the mockery, be on the lookout for Basic Bob. He is Michigan Supreme Court Judge Bobby Young. He wants evidence and for mere commentators to do their homework. No one legislates nearly as much from the bench than Bobby Young. If you come across the malapropism "All things are political" you have likely found this judge using still another surname. He will be saying this long after he has left this life for he has throughout it. Bobby is the "No-Fault" auto insurance adjuster who paid his way through law school adjusting claims from Detroit drivers. Although he has neither trial judge, nor counsel, experience, the last GOP guv, Johnny Engler planted him on MI's Sumpreme Count. He has since rewritten the "No-Fault" LEGISLATION and otherwise makes Clarence Thomas look like Louis Brandeis. Read his "work" and you WILL agree. Thanks to the inspiration of our brothers and sisters in Wisconsin, Michigan is following suit and are dismantling the High Crime of MI GOP.

Basic Bob

Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 1:27 a.m.

@dogbreath, Justice Young is not Basic Bob.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 10:28 p.m.

Sorry, something builder. If one slumbers in echo chamber night in and night out, they will inevidably think their positions are more popular then they actually are. Just for once address the catacomb technique this crowd is sticking to. Such would make you face these antics are perversion of, rather then certifiable and honorable process. Bobby Young will scream from his grave "All things are political" . He can't say partisan so he says political. By no uncertain terms, he shows himself daily to be a menace to the constitutional Michigan, the rule of law, and current & future generations. The Walker Problem in the once Great state of Wisconsin is now tuning up The New Gauleiters for their masses. This never was courted until the overtly sham electioneering that may shape their hyper-partisan supreme court. Bobby Young and his Sumpreme Count caucus are the reason for Michigan GOP's flirtation with the pure stupidity, if not turpitude, of their New Gauleiters. Facts are facts, building something. The constitutional approach to society never has to "swipe" as you say. This is only reserved for those stupid enough to target such, like Sick and Karl Rove. Notice all of their same disciples perpetuating their adolescence on this same thread - hour after hour, day after day. Thanks for seeing my comment as comprehensive, but we are talking about Bobby Young. There simply isn't enough bandwidth to successfully cover Bobby's serial transgressions of law.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 9:28 p.m.

Pretty comprehensive swipe at all that ills you? Take two aspirin, sit down with a good book, and see your Doc in the AM. The 'hyper-partisans' may be more numerous than you realize. However, I suppose anyone who thinks differently than you must be hyper-something.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:57 p.m.

Husband and I are making ends meet, and that's about it...under Snyder's new plan, our state "taxes" are going up $1600-$2000 due to the elimination of the Earned Income Credit and the decrease in the Homesteader's Tax Exemption..."no new taxes on anyone"...BS! I seriously suggest EVERYONE look at their bottom-line for tax-year 2012 - it's going to be a doozy (unless, of course, you are one of the anointed riche). Where do we sign?!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:09 p.m.

A2K - An interesting number, but one I cannot figure out, unless you own an expensive home and are just over the line for the Homesteader's Tax Exemption. If you are getting Earned Income Credit from the Federal Government, it will NOT be impacted by what the state is doing, and that is the bulk of EIC. For most folks in Michigan the EIC from the state between $200 and $500. So, please help me understand where you come up with your numbers.

Kelly Davenport

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:38 p.m.

A comment was removed because it included comments about a person's appearance. Please keep your discussion on topic.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 10:09 p.m.

Thank you.

Billy Buchanan

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:05 p.m.

A group of from Ann Arbor wanting a petition signed to recall Governer Snyder is enough reason for me not to want to sign it. Sounds like they're the ones who didn't vote for him and are afraid he'll succeed which would prove them wrong.

Joel A. Levitt

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:50 p.m.

Like many of the more than 700 people who have already volunteered to work to recall Governor Snyder, I am not a union member. I believe that most of the Governor's program would severely damage Michigan if implemented. Reduced funding for education would chase business and, therefore, jobs away. The same is true of reducing the compensation of competent public employees, who will look for other positions in other states. Reduced funding for research would mean fewer high tech startups. Paying for state government with the limited assets of the poor would help to produce an unhealthy, ill educated, disruptive and, consequently, unproductive permanent underclass. Voiding state contracts is illegal, even when measures are contrived to eliminate the contracting parties. And, stripping power from local government is undemocratic, reducing the power of the voters and resulting in inappropriate one-size-fits-all policies. I am lucky to be able to pay more taxes to keep Michigan afloat. Now is the time to invest, not to tax. But, first, we must get Governor Snyder out of the way.

Joel A. Levitt

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 8:12 p.m.

No grye, our business tax system must be reformed, particularly by eliminating the gross revenue tax. And, you are correct; we will need to raise lots of money. In my view, a graduated income tax is the best way to do this.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:42 p.m.

So you don't want to tax but you want to invest and you are apparently not in favor of the elimination of double taxes on small businesses. How would you accomplish this economic growth and job creation?

Dog Guy

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:37 p.m.

I have always said that sucking on government teat beats working for a living and that the money spent on Michigan Lottery is a fine for not doing your fifth grade arithmetic homework. Michigan's current economic situation brings my two sayings together: MEA dues are today's lottery. So many of my fellow teachers are math-ignorant cargo cultists whose only concern is distribution, thinking production is accomplished by a Keynesian money machine. Michigan's current legislature and administration is the only hope I see of preserving the majority of my sinecure benefits. Some government employees are following unions to the slaughter. As with the barnyard fable, not everyone who dumps on you is your enemy and not everyone who removes it is your friend.

Will Warner

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:39 p.m.

"math-ignorant cargo cultists " You have a way with words, Dog Guy.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:33 p.m.

I care, but don't care about unions. But what did Students do in K-6th do to the budget too make them miss out? Lets slice it from the future!!!! Now 7th-12 as a little bit more understanding, because of there age? These Kids are out to get a education that they are going too need, to take care of him when the Gov. gets aged. Think about people, not money. (budget) Prison time- meals, roof over head, little medical help, that is more that a average persos gets working 40hrs. a week @ 7.40 a hour.....


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:25 p.m.

If people had been LISTENING to what Snyder was saying during his campaign - he never would have been elected. I didn't vote for him because I HEARD what he was really saying and now he's putting his plans into action, so this should come as no big surprise. To those of you who DID vote for him - thanks for the mess you have gotten us ALL into. Now, where do I sign???


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:16 p.m.

It is a front for the MEA and nothing more. Public service unions seeking to keep benefits that non governmental workers by and large at the expense of those same workers.

Lynn Luke

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:13 p.m.

Perhaps these articles might help you understand some of the manipulations currently taking place in Benton Harbor. I see comments from the same people on a daily basis expressing blind trust for Governor Snyder and the enacted and proposed MI GOP budget/legislation. Like Scott Walker in WI, Gov. Snyder's plans were not fully revealed in his campaign. Whether you are conservative or liberal, questioning authority, having an expectation of accountability and transparency by an educated electorate can't really hurt the process, can it? <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Food for thought from April 18th Eclectablog article: &quot;Also, the State of Michigan has been holding two-day training sessions for prospective EFMs. A two-day training session that begins today for prospective emergency managers and turnaround experts has drawn a huge response. Seats at the Lansing Radisson were available for about 325 people, and more than 50 others who wanted to attend were put on a waiting list... Two days of training and you're ready to assume complete control over a city government. I had heard this was true but to actually see that it is shocks me.&quot;


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:04 p.m.

All of you who are so willing to sign this petition better have a great plan of action ready to run the state. I'd like to see this plan on how you are going to balance the budget, provide unlimited education, services out the wazoo, grow the jobs and economy, and not tax anyone any more than they are already being taxed. Come on. Let's see the plan.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 8:45 p.m.

Hee hee! Same thing. :)


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 1:46 a.m.

So we tax all the progressives? That I like! (-: Might you mean a graduated income tax?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 6:20 p.m.

Progressive income tax and close loopholes. Easy!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:31 p.m.

I'm looking forward to signing this ASAP!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:30 p.m.

I'm in favor of providing Emergency Managers with the tools they need to rein in out of control special interest costs. If the folks in charge couldn't do it, then they need, and deserve a &quot;time out&quot;. In an emergency, the time for talking and discussing is over. It's time to DO something, or do nothing. Doing nothing is not an option. Snyder has the courage to try..I respect that much more than arm chair quarterbacking. I think his plan is more than fair, it is brilliant in its capacity to initiate CHANGE, something those in &quot;comfort&quot; zones, strongly resist


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:51 p.m.

Nothing but a bunch of union hacks who don't want to do their &quot;fair share&quot; to turn this state around. Good Day


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:23 p.m.

On a positive note. Thanks Rick! McDonald's is hiring. Maybe that will help. Trickle Down is alive and well!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:57 a.m.

Big business profiteers are ruining this country for the working class, the peasants, the teachers, and the service people who do what they because they have strong hearts.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:47 a.m.

I fully expect that the petition for a recall will be successful. Afterall there are enough state and local public employees to make it to the half way point, so they each only need to find 1 friend. I hope Michigan Citizens United has actually weighed the cost of their dogma. When this petition is successful, we will all pay: 1) We will pay for the recall election. 2) We will pay for the chaos and uncertainty that this recall will cause, more folks will leave the state and more companies will chose to look elsewhere 3) We will pay with higher interest rates on bonds, reducing what our tax dollars will buy in the way of infrastructure. 4) We will pay in deeper divisions in the state as people focus on this recall as a good thing or a bad thing 5) We will pay because outsiders who did not grow up in the political class in the state will think hard about ever running for office If the recall is successful, things will only get worse, as we setup for another election run for governor. If it is not successful, expect that things in Lansing will only get more partisan. For those of us not in the political mainstream, expect the chaos will slow the job's market down statewide. Hang on to your hat, the next 18 months may be very, very bad for the average tax payer. But then again, depending on your political leanings, you are willing to pay that price. Good luck to the citizens of Michigan.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:02 p.m.

agree with your post. if i were a company who was considering coming to michigan right now, i would be putting that on hold until all of this is settled, which is not what michigan needs.

Basic Bob

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 9:45 a.m.

@margie, Benton Harbor has been under Emergency Financial Management for the last 12 months. So it was &quot;taken over&quot; by Gov. Granholm.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:01 p.m.

Dennis: If the duly elected officials can't manage the situation, then there needs to be a take-over to keep it from further collapse and increasing the city's debt. Do you really have a problem with someone coming in to resolve a problem that is out of control?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:28 p.m.

That is a true statement. However, what Snyder's EFM law does is give the new Manager more sweeping powers with no recourse to prevent ANYTHING from being rammed down our duly elected officials and public emplyees.

average joe

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:46 a.m.

And I bet Margie didn't hear about that from &quot;the whole story gal&quot;, ms. maddow either.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:15 a.m.

Here's another reason that should strengthen the Democratic Process of Recall: Benton Harbor is now the first city to be taken over by the New Emergency Manager Bill. This undemocratic law to circumvent the democratic rights of citizens should send a chill to even the most fervent Snyder supporter: Go to the Rachel Maddow Show and see the story which breaks down this takeover as a power grab by politicians in the takeover Benton Harbor in order to build a fancy golf course/home area which the people of Benton Harbor fought against for years. Chilling...unethical...and makes you think which city is next. The most priceless photo in this chilling story is Snyder smiling with the person taking over Benton Harbor. No amount of spin will get rid of that image. As more people find out about Benton Harbor, and the true people intention behind this law the easier it will be for not only the recall process to be successful but for the demise of the GOP agenda in Michigan.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:58 p.m.

you lost me at rachel maddow.

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:55 a.m.

Oh yes. Benton Harbor, that prized playground for the rich. Such a great place, how could it ever need any help?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:51 a.m.

It's so sad that some comments are negative for a democratic right of the people to pursue recall against an elected official. Whether it fails or not is up to the people. The process itself is democratic and very appropriate. What's not appropriate is the absolute 'blindness' against the democratic right of not only this process but two of the &quot;REINVENT Michigan,' tactics of this CEO Governor. Did the Snyder supporters really vote for: 1. The new Emergency Manager law that allows a school/city to be taken over and your elected officials dismissed or 2: Michigan laws passed by the legislature to have an intentional budgetary amount to prevent any citizen group to petition what they feel is an unfair law and force it to be voted on by the people (you know the citizens of Michigan). No politician should be blindly doesn't matter whether they are Democratic or Republican...Fair is Fair...and government by the people for the people should be respected...not trampled on by some cheap legislative trick. If a political group in power believes in their policies, why on earth should they use undemocratic tricks to circumvent dissent? Stop trashing teachers, unions, or whatever the group pushing democratic rights. Be happy and respectful that this process exist. If you want to stand by the CEO be it....but let the process go through with thoughtful comments and let the chips fall where they may. As for myself....Where do I sign?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:06 p.m.

I'm in favor of providing Emergency Managers with the tools they need to rein in out of control special interest costs. If the folks in charge couldn't do it, then they need, and deserve a &quot;time out&quot;. In an emergency, the time for talking and discussing is over. It's time to DO something, or do nothing. Doing nothing is not an option. Snyder has the courage to try..I respect that much more than arm chair quarterbacking. I think his plan is more than fair, it is brilliant in its capacity to initiate CHANGE, something those in &quot;comfort&quot; zones, strongly resist.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:41 a.m.

Ghost, did you read the wording of the recall petition? It's the same union rhetoric that's been repeated by union members and supprters over and over again. I say good job This is dangerous ground the unions are plowing up because even if the petition is successful I'm pretty sure Snyder will be re-elected. How's that going to affect the union position in the public eye? Just another waste of taxpayer money forced upon the taxpayers by special interest unions who just can't stand a little competition and objective analysis. Ann Arbor mistakingly and arrogantly thinks the rest of the state thinks the same way they do. I don't blame the unions for fighting though, it's a pretty cushy position they've been in all these years insulated from the realities of real world job performance as it relates to revenue and compensation. I'd fight too if I had to start competing and performing when I never had to before.

Basic Bob

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:54 a.m.

Really, who are these clowns? Kramer, Rozner, and Schmidt are not exactly household names, so I would guess they are not the brains or the money behind Michigan Citizens United. The nasty bit about political action committees and recalls is that the real political power pulling the strings and writing the checks can hide behind their puppets, pretending to be real grassroots organizations (can you say teaparty?).


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 2:33 a.m.

Rozner gushes about Virg on the V.B. facebook page, you may not be too far off.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:44 a.m.

The problem is that he gave us no clue during the campaign that he supported such a radical agenda. He lied to us, and for this reason deserves to be recalled -- not for the radical agenda, but for the lie.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:50 a.m.

do we really want to go down that road? there will need to be a lot of recalls.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:36 a.m.

This action by Michigan Citizens United has my full support, and no, I am not a teacher. Those of us whose eyes are open wide enough to have noticed the ever growing ranks of the poor, while resources controlled by the Forbes 400 continue to accumulate, see Slick and the rest of his party leadership for what they are. They are no different from the feudal lords of the dark ages or the robber barrons of the early 20th century. Blood was spilled to rid the world of those evils. I know that the media has created an Orwellian, virtual reality where the accelerating growth of the gap between middle class and the wealthy appears to many to somehow be good for everybody. It used to be called trickle down economics. But people you should trust your senses, ignore the media and the politicians, and look what has happened to your economic situation. For most of us, our wages have stagnated, our benefits cut, and our ability to apply our skills to make a decent living has gotten less secure. If this has been occurring because our productivity is not competitive with the rest of the world, then why has the wealth of the Forbes 400 continued to grow at such an astounding rate? Due to the creation of the anti-collective bargaining, so called &quot;right to work states&quot; and the fluid movement of jobs around the globe, union membership has been declining at about the same rate that my benefits have been eroding. Slick and his party see the end of the resistance now and they are positioning themselves for what they believe will be the last few slashes in collective bargaining's death by a thousand cuts. We can't get rid of Slick soon enough.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:39 a.m.

I constantly hear about tax breaks for the rich. Could you please define the &quot;Large Corporations&quot; in Michigan who are getting these tax breaks. Could someone please name these organizations? Oh, as an added bonus for the readers, can you also do your homework and list the total number of people they employ? In addition, can you also share the amount of tax breaks the University of Michigan gets and how many long term jobs were created with the investment of $220 million into the stadium? I just like to see things in perspective.

Basic Bob

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:35 a.m.

It is interesting to me that the reasons for a recall election do not have to be factual, only that the wording is clear. Snyder did not *pass* the EFM law, because that is a legislative function to make laws. This bill was introduced last term, but had it passed by a slim majority, Granholm would have vetoed. Snyder only signed a bill passed by the state legislature. Clearly he agreed with it, but to say he made this law is false. But this is what we have come to expect from the MEA: fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Stephen Landes

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:19 a.m.

Dredging up a recall petition is what people who have absolutely NO ALTERNATIVE PLAN do. Here's my recommendation to those folks: get busy drafting a real world, workable, plan to put Michigan's financial system back on sound footing and show the plan to the Governor. If you aren't willing to do that, to put that much effort into saving your own state, then you should resign yourself to working with the plan that has been developed.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:59 a.m.

For eight years we watched Gov. Granholm put forth tired old policies that did nothing to improve the economy of Michigan. She was right when she said &quot;in five years we would be blown away&quot;. Our jobs, home values, and our economic security was blown away. People voted with their feet and moved to other states that offered an opporunity for a better life. The exodus resulted in lower property, sales, and income tax revenue. Raising taxes on people and business will only speed up the exodus. If you want the status quo of declining home values, high taxes, limited job opportunities for our children, and crumbling infrastructure, recall Gov. Snyder. The status quo is not &quot;progressive&quot;. Change is hard and uncertain. Some of Gov. Snyder's policies might not achieve the results we need or want, some may succeed very well, but at least he is trying to address the issues.

Adam Jaskiewicz

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:37 a.m.

I voted for Snyder because I was willing to let him give it a shot. I'm not a huge fan of some of his decisions, but I'm definitely not ready to recall him because of that. If the Democrats can field a decent candidate in four years, and if Snyder hasn't proven himself to be able to make progress by then, maybe I'll &quot;fire&quot; him then. I'm *not* going to sign a recall petition, and I *will* show up at any recall elections to vote NO.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:13 a.m.

sore losers... I am tired of paying tax dollars to special interests... get real jobs

Will Warner

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:36 p.m.

&quot;sore losers&quot; is the best two-word description of the recall spasm


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:20 a.m.

How can you say that being a teacher is not a &quot;real&quot; job? Public education is truly the cornerstone of democracy. Step inside a classroom for a week. Try to do what teachers do. I think you'll find it is probably one of the &quot;real&quot;est job there is. Not to mention, by supporting this cuts, you are essentially supporting a more wealthy special interest: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> aka, Walmart, Koch Industries, the DeVos family, etc. If you want your tax dollars to further line the pockets of the already wealthy. If you want wages pushed down further, poverty to increase, and education to suffer, go for it. Otherwise, if you truly look at the data, public education in this country has done pretty well.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:11 a.m.

I wish this could go one step further. Recall EVERY SINGLE person in the legislative, executive and judicial branches in Lansing. Replace them entirely with people who don't belong to a political party and consider themselves to be independent thinkers and will act independent of any political parties wishes. People blame the unions, the employees, the administrations, the private sector, and everyone except the political parties. Maybe we need to look at the 2 party system as the problem. We are no longer a society of independent thinkers. We have become a society of followers and both parties are being lead by individuals and groups with nothing more than poolitical (yes I intended to spell it that way) platforms to stand on. We need people going into leadership positions that can think what is best for the state, not what is best for the unions, or the big businesses, or XYZ group that supported them. What is sending us down the bad path to idiocy isn't poor teaching, or poor business practices, or poor anything else except poor leadership from people totally and complete out of touch with the real world. Yes Snyder is trying to change things, but not once has the biggest educational funding issue been touched by anyone in Lansing this term. Until someone decides to find a better way to handle the MiPSERS and the other public retirement systems, the budget will continue to fail. We need to find a better way to handle that aspect of educational funding and spending. Once that is fixed, then EVERY other budget issue for schools will be a much easier fix. The problem is the dems don't want to ruin the system because it could cost them support of the MEA. The Republicans think there are bigger issues, which there honestly are not. The schools are caught with nothing they can do because Lansing has to fix this every growing blackhole and the children are the ones who will suffer the most. Also, when and where will I be able to sign.

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:40 p.m.

This is going to be very entertaining to watch. They won't get anywhere near enough valid signatures. A healthy majority of voters picked this guy, and contrary to what the left wants us to think about our vote now, we are not disappointed with what he's doing. Maybe they could get 807,000 signatures if Ann Arbor's population was 1,000,000, but since most people live outside Ann Arbor (and, therefore, in reality) it won't happen.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:31 p.m.

Don't hold your breath! This effot shall peter out within a few months just like John Lauve's did in the 1980s against Jim Blanchard.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:16 p.m.

Where do I go to help circulate a petition? Snyder has to go and as soon as we can get him and his lackeys gone the better.

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:41 p.m.

Pick up a form at your nearest MEA office.

Mike Kay

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:07 p.m.

Recall Snyder! Check out the latest protest song from The Joe Hill Heartlanders urging all middle class workers to &quot;Get Even!&quot; You can listen, view and download &quot;Get Even!&quot; free at: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Stay strong and &quot;Get Even!&quot; The Joe Hill Heartlanders


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:38 p.m.

The fact is that Snyder is willing to sell Michigan's middle-class and poor right down the river to inferior-paying jobs, while doing nothing to make businesses and corporations pay their fair share to the State! Large profit-making businesses have a choak-hold on the State and simply threaten to leave the State if they have to give up more of their profits. That's how they manage to remain untouched as far as paying their share of taxes. Rather than stand up to them, Snyder would rather settle for middle-class Michiganders earning less, having smaller pensions and having lower-paying jobs. No one regulates how private businesses conduct their financial affairs and they are free to hoard profits among the CEO's and executives while paying their workers far less than they are worth. Boarder's is a fine example. Snyder is just trying to squeeze out money from public workers to make up for the loss of tax money which should be coming from private businesses and corporations. Also, where is his legislation to cut the salaries of all public senators, representatives, administrators and executives? Wake-up people. This is a national problem. Until all businesses are paying their fair share, the middle-class will continue to be squeezed and squeezed.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:38 p.m.

You know, I've been a Republican all my life and a conservative. But this whole thing about cutting taxes to benefit business at the expense of everyday people and especially young people in school just does not make any sense at all. Now it would be hard on my wife and me but common sense says that if a man needs to buy a used tractor say, he's just got to go out and earn more money. It only make sense the our state government needs to go out and get some more money too. I'm a Republican that say let's all share the expense and raise taxes.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:18 p.m.

from the article &quot;In order to force a recall election, the group, which filed paperwork with the state last month to form a political action committee, will need signatures from 25 percent of the people who voted for the office of governor in the last election. That's close to 807,000 names, Yankee said.&quot; if voting is anonymous how do we know for sure that the people that sign this really did vote for him? what a bunch of sorry losers, apparently they don't get it that this state is in dire straights, which means things need to be cut.

Cindy Heflin

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:38 a.m.

Yes it's 25 percent of the number of people who voted in the election for governor. I've clarified that.

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:19 p.m.

I'm guessing they worded it wrong, and that the 25% number is what's important, not who that 25% is.

Tom Joad

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:03 p.m.

Sure, I'll sign it...Synder is a dilettante and a dud. Another VANITY run by someone with too much time and too much money on their hands, and ZERO ideas.

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:13 a.m.

Ohhhh the irony.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:53 p.m.

Thank you for teaching us, Michigan Education Association. You are true Americans!

Will Warner

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : noon

Re my &quot;The three amigos...&quot; comment. I was struck by the appearance of three regular posters (who are often on the same side of an issue with me), one after another extending a joke. I wanted to join them, but I couldn't think of another bodily sound that would pass moderation.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:05 a.m.

Sorry there something builder, this is about the protecting the constitutional Michigan because Sick and The New Gauleiters have clearly indicated they won't. Sure the S&amp;P report is sobering. But it is a Picaso compared to what Sick and these clowns are trying to white wash.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:56 a.m.

Oh, got it. Finally. Forgot to commit to our country. I'll go out and do that right away. As for growing up.... I'm not sure I want to just yet. Poisoning the community? That's a bit hard, don't you think? Look, the house is burning down all around us. We're going to get a little wet in the process of putting the fire out. Mr Snyder has just run into a raging inferno for your sake. If you don't like it, tough. All previous Governors, Repubs and Dems alike, have allowed the flames to smoulder. Either we put out the fires once and for all, or we will have nothing left. Reference S&amp;P report of our sovereign indebtedness. If that doesn't shake you up, nothing will.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:49 a.m.

Ya Will, behold the lifers. They don't see themselves as poisoning the community. Just think what they could make of themselves if they only committed to America, or even adulthood. Those who school our children cannot stand for what Heir Snyder peddled his first 100 days in public &quot;service&quot;. Stay tuned to this thread and you will have reporting on the heads of their bloggers exploding one by one as Michigan returns a law abiding executive that once was sovereign precedent.

Will Warner

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:44 a.m.

The three amigos...


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:14 a.m.



Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:04 a.m.

*hack, choke*

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:18 p.m.



Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:49 p.m.

Recall Snyder and send the message that we don't want our public services raided for a pay out to the rich. Sign the petition! Tax the rich!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:46 p.m.

With that kind of attitude, I would never want to be rich. Everyone would just want to take my money. I'd rather be poor and let all you rich people take care of me. What a joke.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:24 a.m.

i take it your not rich?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:48 p.m.

BEFORE you sign a petition make sure you get all the facts!!! If a Financial Mgr is required - its because something as gone terribly wrong and no one wants to make the necessary changes to fix it. I don't recall small business owner's throwing a fit because they are unfairly being taxed TWICE on the same income so that someone who chose to become a public employee could have a tax free retirement. Not only do we pay tax on the same income twice we also pay tax on our retirement income. The proposal to eliminate this double taxation WILL NOT affect big coporations just small mom &amp; pop type businesses. Synder is doing exactly what he promised to do. The problem is you what him to do it some one else not you! He can cut spending or tax any one as long as it doesn't affect you - be real - there is no way to please everyone and we have to do something we can't keep spending what we don't have at the state or federal level. WE KNOW THE OLD WAY DOESN'T WORK - SO LET'S TRY SOMETHING NEW - IF IT DOESN'T WORK WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY --- BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE IT A CHANCE.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:28 p.m.

Well put Nancy but the &quot;union mentality&quot; is like a drug. These folks are addicted to the good life and entitlements they've &quot;negotiated&quot; albeit on an unfair playing field. They will do anything they can to maintain it, at taxpayer expense.

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:10 a.m.

Eh, save your breath. There's no chance of this thing actually making it to the ballot.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:01 p.m.

We won't be able to go back to the old way--too many will not survive, and too many will refuse to admit that they're wrong.

Roger Roth

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:48 p.m.

Is there a rich person out there I can move in with when this thing completely tanks? I wouldn't be any trouble. P.S. I have a couple dogs. I can paint. I can mow. I can wash Mercedes. I can shop. I don't eat much.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:44 p.m.

What a waste of time.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:43 p.m.

What businesses will be attracted to Michigan when they find out that Snyder is offering tax breaks built upon the backs of the jobless poor, the working poor, the entire educational system, and the death of unions and collective bargaining?! Read your history books, folks, and learn about how hard citizens fought--and even died--to establish collective bargaining in our state. &quot;Shared sacrifice&quot;, he says! Sure, there will be a shared sacrifice-- if he continues to stay in office, we will all get to share in watching the sacrifice of democracy in Michigan. I look forward to helping in any way that I can with the recall campaign.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:18 a.m.

Pilgrim, that is such hysterical rubbish. Death of unions and collective bargaining? Really? Where did he say he wanted to abolish collective bargaining? Nowhere did he say. Tax breaks off the jobless poor? What? That does not make any sense. If they don't have a job how can they pay taxes? I find posts like yours to be disingenuous. If you REALLY cared about the &quot;jobless poor&quot; you would do whatever it took to create jobs so they no longer were &quot;jobless&quot;. Engaging in baseless fearmongering like you have only serves the purpose of narrowminded ideologues who care only for their own and not of the people at large.

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:09 a.m.

Look on the bright side....... This recall effort will give the &quot;jobless poor&quot; something to do while they collect signatures and fall well short of the 806,000 required to actually make this reality.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:39 p.m.

ERMG What is it you don't understand about THIS fact? &quot;records on file with the Michigan Secretary of State's office show Michigan Citizens United has the same fax number as an MEA coordinating council and that the council's field assistant, Gail Schmidt, is listed as the group's treasurer.&quot; I checked it out I did not just read the article and take it as the truth. Sure hope we can replace him with someone as competent as Granholm was! LOL.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 8:42 p.m.

You checked it out. Right! I also checked out phone number 9898469751 and came up with nothing that links this number to the MEA. Please tell us where you found this link.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:32 a.m.

Nice selective editing of the article, JCJ. The article says: The Michigan Republican Party issued a press release today calling Michigan Citizens United a front for the Michigan Education Association, the state's largest teachers union. . . . The press release said records on file with the Michigan Secretary of State's office show Michigan Citizens United has the same fax number as an MEA coordinating council and that the council's field assistant, Gail Schmidt, is listed as the group's treasurer.&quot; No matter how you cut it, this &quot;newspaper&quot; is relying on the Republican Party for a characterization of the recall effort. appears to have no first-hand knowledge of whether or not these claims are true. And they are claims that are easily checked. Frankly, it would not surprise me if the report were true. But a real newspaper would check out the RP's claim. This is disgracefully sloppy journalism. Good Night and Good Luck


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:20 p.m.

So, Snyder is recalled. Then what do we get? Bernero? No thanks.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:10 p.m.

How ironic that the party that is opposed to &quot;big government&quot; supports the emergency financial manager program. Taking power away from mayors, city councils, and voters is not &quot;big government&quot; and tyranny?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:43 p.m.

Mun, careful, you're making the &quot;Tea Party&quot; brains hurt. Too. Much. Thinking. Why is &quot;big government&quot; bad under Obama, but good under Bush/Regan/Synder. Keep. Government. Out. Of. My. Social Security/Medicare.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:43 p.m.

I'd call it proactive rather than wait for a complete failure and massive debt that causes a ripple effect.

Jake C

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:47 p.m.

What could be a smaller government than a single person dictating how an entire city should be run? No checks, no balances, just one man who didn't need to get elected who gets to call the shots. As long as that person is pro-business and pro-rich, it doesn't seem like most Republicans care.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:49 p.m.

I was thinking the same thing...isn't &quot;small government&quot; the Republican mantra? I supposed they've simply been tricked by the fact that he labels himself as a Republican...and probably because he's Christian too.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:04 p.m.

I see someone talking about the governor treating everyone fairly, surely you jest! Treating everyone fairly is to not propose to cut $2B from business taxes which is then recouped by raising taxes on the people who can least afford a tax increase. No one can provide a shred of evidence that cutting taxes for business and the rich will increase jobs. Also, cutting the number of teachers and public safety employees will surely make the number of jobs go down, not up. Speaking of treating people fairly, what will a $350 per pupil cut do the the Detroit Schools? The Willow Run Schools? The Ypsilanti Schools. The Benton Harbor Schools? Again, surely you jest!


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:47 p.m.

@Happy Fun Ball-- are you kidding? Schools have been pitching in for years. There have been so many cuts in teachers, forced retirements, increasing classroom sizes and decreasing access to resources almost as far back as I can remember. When I was in highschool (4-8 years ago) cuts were running rampant. Students had to start paying to play sports, to take the school's driving class, and prices for school lunch went up. And I went to a school that didn't even spend that much on outside activities in the first place.

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:46 p.m.

Considering there has never been a per pupil cut in funding and that schools are currently funded at $11,000 per student, $350 seems too low. A good administrator could handle it and would expect it with no issues. Every other Michigan resident has taken economic hits. Why can't schools pitch in?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:04 p.m.

Snyder's approval rating is merely 33% while his disapproval rating is 50%. (<a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Someone post a more recent set of numbers if you know of them)

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:26 p.m.

&quot;So we should recall a governor whenever their poll numbers drop below 50%?&quot; This goes back to our discussion in another thread, 1bit. What does an elected official owe to their constituency (i.e., to what degree do they follow public opinion) and to what degree to they depend on their own judgment, public opinion be damned? I don't like the governor and fear that his program will harm the state. And my gut reaction is to sign the petition, if one is ever circulated. But I'm less than certain that a recall is appropriate in most circumstances. The point of having elected officials rather than direct democracy is precisely to insulate them from the heat of democracy. So I am rather conflicted--and I once again go back to Sir Edmund Burke: &quot;Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion. and &quot;The tyranny of a multitude is a multiplied tyranny.&quot; Good Night and Good Luck

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:11 p.m.

&quot;You mean just like Mr Obama?&quot; Not hardly. HIs approval rating was never this low and, at the moment, is hovering near 50%. Source: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Good Night and Good Luck


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:42 p.m.

I posted it because quite a few of the early comments made the false claim that Snyder is a popular gov and said that interest in a recall comes from just a disgruntled few.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:24 a.m.

You mean just like Mr Obama?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:08 a.m.

So we should recall a governor whenever their poll numbers drop below 50%?


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:21 a.m.

this is the third time you've posted them since the story broke. are you looking for a particular reaction?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:53 p.m.

I can't wait to sign it too! This governor is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong slashing K-12 budgets (have you heard what class sizes are going up to next fall??) in order to give businesses a tax cut. That's wrong. Wrong with this whole anti-democratic over-reaching financial manager garbage. Wrong about a flat tax. I can't wait till he's recalled. He's gone way too far, and this recall will send the message to others with similar every-man-for-himself mentalities that they can't pull this stuff.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:28 a.m.

gyre, Every-man-for-himself is the Right Wing philosophy of how to run a society. I'm not talking about him personally, I don't care what he gets out of this job.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:27 a.m.

beachbaby - heard it unofficially from a school administrator. First/Second grades up by 4-5 kids per class.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:19 a.m.

where and from whom have you heard about the class sizes for next year? is this documented somewhere?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:01 p.m.

Rick isn't for himself. Do you think he thought that he was going to double his net worth by being govenor? His intent is to straighten out this financial mess, cut expenses, and try to grow jobs. Jobs are what we need, not paying more taxes.

Alan Benard

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:47 p.m.

I cannot wait to sign it. Consider that the new emergency financial manager legislation has effectively terminated democracy in the Detroit Public School district, and in the 97-percent-black municipality of Benton Harbor. I invite readers to draw their own conclusions as to why Snyder and the GOP chose that town first. The purpose of that legislation is to permit the termination of collective bargaining agreements for state and municipal employees and is a political act. This is wrong and must be stopped.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:13 a.m.

Democracy doesn't wait for the courts. We need angst.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:37 p.m.

The EFM law will be tested in the courts. I think everyone realizes that. So why all the angst?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 10:04 p.m.

What's your alternative to financial managers? Bailing them out no questions asked? The use of financial managers becomes moot if municipalities manage responsibly. Whose fault is it if remedial action needs to take place when the municipality has shown itself to be incapable of managing itself?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.

Maybe it is because the Detroit schools have been in such terrible shape from mismanagement to corruption that the best thing was to save the schools from complete collapse. BTW this was started under Granholm. Benton Harbor has been in such financial straits for many years it is about time to have professionals come in and fix the problem. Would you have rather waited a few more years until the debt doubled? Strike early, strike firmly. Don't beat around the bush.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:47 p.m.

Hey!!! How about doing some . . . well . . . some actual journalism??? You are accepting at face value the claim of the Republican Party that CU is a front for the MEA. Do you think that you might be able to . . . . . well . . . . . actually check that out? Or has &quot;journalism&quot; simply become reporting what one side says about the other without checking out the veracity of those claims? Good Night and Good Luck

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:46 p.m.

1bit: missed that. Thanks. MA: You OBVIOUSLY did not read my first reply. Try again. Good Night and Good Luck


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 5:12 a.m.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this quote from the article: &quot;An Internet search shows the fax number Schmidt filed with the Michigan Secretary of State matches a fax number for the MEA 12-D office.&quot; It seems that they (the Detroit News) did confirm what the Republican Party reported.

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:06 a.m.

ERMG, Do you honestly think it is coincidence that the MEA and this group use the same fax machine? You do realize that it would favor the Governor if they actually researched this, so this goes against your claim of them being the &quot;mouthpiece&quot;?!? Think, McFly! Think!

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:27 a.m.

1bit: More details but, still, the same thing. I would NOT be surprised to find that this is the case, but I fail to understand why two so-called news organizations are simply taking the word of the Republican Party on this. Oh wait! has been the governor's propaganda mouthpiece ever since he announced his candidacy and the Detroit News never saw a Republican candidate it didn't like. So I guess that's the answer to my question. If the Republican Party says it, it MUST be the truth. And, if it is the truth, it remains incredibly sloppy journalism. Good Night and Good Luck


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:13 a.m.

Better article: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> She shouldn't have used the MEA's fax number. Sloppy. It implies tacit support by the MEA regardless of whether it is true. I'm sure the MEA will rectify the situation.

Top Cat

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:44 p.m.

Assuming they could successfully recall Mr. Snyder, part 2 of their plan is probably to bring back John Cherry. As for part 3 of their plan...well there is no part 3. There are few things more tedious than sore losers.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:15 a.m.

Phase 1: Collect underpants Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Profit

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:48 p.m.

If Snyder is recalled, his Lt. Governor will step in. Good Night and Good Luck

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:42 p.m.

&quot;Union Leadership&quot; should be recalled.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:39 p.m.

&quot;Citizens United&quot;? What an unfortunate choice of name for a group proporting to be against special interests.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:40 p.m.

You are right. Thanks to Citizen United, business and unions, who are now &quot;persons&quot; under the Constitution, can donate unlimited funds to the campaign!


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:38 p.m.

Waste of time. It won't even get out of the gate. Don't bet the farm.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:33 p.m.

As an independent who's been deeply skeptical of Snyder's qualifications, abilities and intentions from the get-go, I welcome this recall initiative. Good luck - and where do I sign?

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 6:03 p.m.

&quot;We were shown in 2010 that qualifications don't even enter into the equation.&quot; Indeed. TeaPartyists in Congress RepubliKans take over the state legislature Snyder gets elected. There could be no greater proof that qualifications don't matter to the electorate. Good Night and Good Luck

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:15 p.m.

Wait... since when is the left interested in a person's qualifications for elected office? We were shown in 2010 that qualifications don't even enter into the equation.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:40 p.m.

You are correct and should be skeptical of his qualifications as a politician. He is a businessman who is trying to create an environment to allow businesses to grow and create jobs. That is what we need, not more of the same old status quo of the past.

Art Vandelay

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:25 p.m.

I was all set to vote for the upcoming special ed millage renewal. Now the MEA seems to be organizing to remove the guy that's trying to make some constructive progress in balancing the state's finances, not just for the next few months but for the next few years. This selfish MEA behavior ignores Michigan's financial reality. If the teacher's want to fight, fine. I'm now voting against the millage.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 11:39 p.m.

+1 point for the name &quot;Art Vandelay&quot; and +1 point for George as your picture. I would incourage you to consider the local children in Washtenaw County before you decide how to vote (and it is your decision!). Don't let the MEA ruin an opportunity for our local community (maybe no Ann Arbor teachers are involved in this?)


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:18 p.m.

And the losers in this are who? The Special Needs Children and their families that need the help. Mental health was gutted by Engler and the only real help special needs children get the help is through the schools. It cost money to pay for the teachers that work with these children every day, to provide the resources needed. Some to the special needs kids need an aide while in school just to get them safely through the day with any hope of succeeding.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:12 a.m.

The Special Education Millage Renewal has little to do with the MEA. If it fails to pass you will only see more non-special ed programs cut. Special Education is mandated by the Federal Government. It's going to happen and be paid for one way or the other. If the Renewal does not pass, the funds to make up the difference will, by law, just be taken out of the general fund, which will negatively impact all other students. Not to mention, it's a Renewal, not a raise in mills. Please vote with your heart, not with vengeance.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 2:59 a.m.

it may not necessarily be the right thing to do, but the timing does not bode well (no matter what the millage would be for)


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:01 p.m.

Mr Vandelay Your mistake was using 'selfish' and 'MEA' in the same sentence. That's like holding onto a lightning rod. The MEA is ready to sacrifice everything for the children, except their benefits, their pay, their...well.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:54 p.m.

You get 'em Art Vandelay! Punish the students of Washtenaw County because reported that the Michigan Republic Party said that the MEA is a front for this group that put in the recall. Even if that is the case, the millage is about supporting the schools and the students in OUR county. This is the most childish and ignorant comment I have read since about, oh, I forgot... That's pretty common these days.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:48 p.m.

Yeah, right.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:44 p.m.

There's a piece of logic. Good Night and Good Luck


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8 p.m.

Where do I sign the petition?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:31 p.m.

everything was going soooooooooooo smooth before right?


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:07 p.m.

In Kalamazoo. Or Escanaba. Viva la right to remove politicians! (In Havana they unfortunately don't have that right)


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:28 p.m.

In Havana. Or Caracas. !Viva la revolucion!

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:58 p.m.

&quot;The press release said records on file with the Michigan Secretary of State's office show Michigan Citizens United has the same fax number as an MEA coordinating council and that the council's field assistant, Gail Schmidt, is listed as the group's treasurer&quot; This last paragraph is possibly the most interesting piece of information in the whole post. It certainly is the most revealing piece of information.


Wed, Apr 20, 2011 : 11:16 p.m.

Sheriff Bouchard is hardly a non-partisan source


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:08 a.m.

Using a work fax number hardly proves that the MEA is behind the recall campaign. It would be a good guess to say that teachers and public workers would support the recall effort. It would be a good guess to say some folks who are a part of public unions are also working on this campaign. But, I haven't read anything that proves that union dues are being used to recall the Gov. I have seen proof that the Tea Party was not a grassroots movement, but a corporate backed and funded &quot;movement&quot; that News Corp. and FoxNews obviously propagated. I agree, it's interesting, but it's hardly an indictment.

Moscow On The Huron

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 11:13 p.m.

Right, you mean those two DNC workers who were just charged with felonies last month. I guess they won't be around to help this group out with any trickery. &quot;'It was learned that a scheme was developed by a party leader in Lansing to place on the ballot people pretending to be Tea Party activists and that this was going to be a statewide effort,' [Oakland County Sheriff] Bouchard said.&quot;

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:46 p.m.

Mind-boggling all the fake organizations, lies, and trickery the MEA will try. Reminds me of the Democrats trying to register fake &quot;Tea Party&quot; candidate last year to try to split the Republican vote.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:52 p.m.

Read the comments. Overwhelming support for a governor who is doing what he was elected to do. Political pressure being applied by the unions isn't going to work. We all need to support the governor. If you want a pay raise tell the teachers union to take a hike and keep your dues in your own pocket.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:39 p.m.

I'm well aware that a disapproval rating of 50% doesn't equal support for a recall. I was just responding to Mike's false claim that Snyder has &quot;overwhelming support.&quot;


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:52 p.m.

Northside, would you rather we base our views on the comprehensive &quot;poll&quot; of 502 voters you cited that was done by Public Policy Polling - an organization with known ties the democratic party? Did you know that the same &quot;poll&quot; also said that 49% oppose and only 38% support the prospect of a recall? I'll stick to the comments on


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:08 p.m.

Read the polls: 33% approval, 50% disapproval rating. <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Or just go ahead and base your views on five comments on a website.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:33 p.m.

You are overwhelmed by the number of comments here supporting Snyder? Hyperbole is underwhelming, more often than not.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:41 p.m.

Come on folks, lets use our heads. If the public has less money to spend, the real estate values are down, wouldn't we know the municipals, States, and Federal have less money to spend? Is it easy? Of course not. Was too much money spent in the good times? Yes. Did John Q &amp; Mary P Public do the same thing? Yes. Do we have to pay it back? Some of us think we do and our budgets are strained too. Some have temporarly (hopefully) lost the ability to contribute and need help to keep going. Fair if they are really trying and not fair if they are just sitting and &quot;wishing upon a star&quot;. Do we all commonly complain about systems? Yes. The trick is R Snyder throws out proposals, expects debates, gets complaints, and not solutions. Complaints with out reasonable ideas are basically complaints and nothing more. We are getting what we asked for new ideas. We may not like them; but at least people are begining to think about solutions to problems of everyone having money to work with. Recall? To me a silly idea. Come up with solutions / ideas that encompass more then a 1 by 1 square you fill in the deminsions.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:39 p.m.

I agree that it is their right. However, the fact that this small vocal minority whose candidate lost the race has announced a recall campaign less than four months into Governor Snyder's term, clearly shows that they were going to do this anyway no matter what he would have done. More likely they are afraid that if they wait too long they won't get the attention for which they are so desperate when the laws that Governor Snyder has been signing will show results by encouraging cities to get their fiscal houses in order. Governor Snyder will not be recalled and this little group is just going to get unwarranted media attention, waste court time and taxpayer money.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 12:17 a.m.

For Northside-what is the President of the USA approval rating? I don't know but it can't be high and at one point our elected officials in Washington was 11%. Lets get rid of them also.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.

Small vocal minority? Snyder's disapproval rating is 50%, approval only 33%. <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>

Harvey Berman

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:28 p.m.

Michigan is finally on the path to economic recovery with a governor who has a plan that will get Michigan on the right path towards job growth, that provides real incentives for economic recovery, and that is an attempt to treat all fairly. Is the plan perfect - probably not - but we're finally on the right track - and remarkably - we have a governor who is seeking to work with all - to heal divisions not create divisions. A good example of this is the Governor's strong early signs of working together with Detroit Mayor Dave Bing to move Detroit in a positive upward direction. I hope that others who support what Governor Snyder is trying to accomplish will come forward with their support for the Governor and not allow this petition to succeed. Supporters of the Governor's plan (even if you don't like certain parts of it) - please don't be silent - let your voice be heard.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 4:03 a.m.

I don't think it serves anyone to quote Richard Nixon (&quot;Silent Majority&quot;). Also, can we really say, at this point, that tax cuts are going to lead to an economic recovery? Friedman's trickle down theories have done little more than widen economic disparity in the United States. If tax cuts fixed the economy, wouldn't we be swimming in windfalls and jobs right now due to the Bush era cuts? Michigan's issues are much more complicated than this. Detroit won't be fixed by an Emergency Financial Manager, nor will its schools. People will continue to leave. Also, it's pretty clear that Michigan is more divided than it has been in a long time. Raiding the public school fund, transferring it to colleges and universities, cutting funding to public education, helping our Legislature to push bills ghostwritten by ALEC...these are all divisive acts. Maybe a recall is premature, but such a massive shift in public funds might have also been a premature proposal. I think Gov. Snyder is used to doing business, not running a democracy.

Ed Kimball

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 9:18 p.m.

I beg to differ. He is hardly attempting to treat all fairly. Business owners get a big tax break, seniors get a big tax bill, and education and local governments take a big hit in resources. That doesn't sound fair to me. It sounds like he's trying to help those who tend to vote for his party and hurt the rest -- that's politics as usual.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:24 p.m.

Yeah, let's recall him because he has not come in and told us what we want to hear, that all these tough problems can't be solved with lolllipops and unicorns, that extreme measures are needed to deal with local gov't that can't / won't get their fiscal houses in order, that inequities within the tax system (senior's pension income = tax free, senior's wage income = 100% taxable) can be fixed without anyone having to pay more, that inorder to make the state more attractive to businesses we need to treat businesses better ..... This sounds like a lot of pouting and whining by spoiled children. And in case you missed it, the credit rating on US debt was lowered today. Oh yeah, it's starting!


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 9:19 p.m.

Thanks Audition, you can parse it any way you want but its still ominous. But I don't want to be responsible for all the Obama faithful having the stars fall away from their eyes. All is well, so everyone can go back to their Dancing with the Stars now, our Savior and chief is still in charge.

Audion Man

Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 3:57 p.m.

Actually, no, @andys- the credit rating was not lowered. S &amp; P lowered their guidance... they basically said that there was a 1 in 3 chance that they might, at some point in the future lower the debt rating- if our esteemed leaders could not get their acts together. But never let the facts get in the way of a rhetorical gambit. Of course, you could ask yourselves why, after the financial meltdown, we give these very fallible credit rating agencies so much power, but then... those would be very uncomfortable questions.


Tue, Apr 19, 2011 : 1:02 p.m.

&quot;I was lowered due to concern that Congress would not increase the debt limit.&quot; Not according to S&amp;P: &quot;The outlook reflects our view of the increased risk that the political negotiations over when and how to address both the medium- and long-term fiscal challenges will persist until at least after national elections in 2012.&quot; Its about the debt, not the debt ceiling. But your point reflects the typical liberal response that we have no problem as long as we can keep borrowing, no matter the level of debt. Raise the debt ceiling and happy days are here again, until there not and things collapse. Fail.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:43 p.m.

I was lowered due to concern that Congress would not increase the debt limit. In other words, it had nothing to do with the debt itself. It was a response, eminently reasonable given tea party proclamations, that Congress will not act in a responsible manner. Good Night and Good Luck


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:24 p.m.

Reality, sometimes, sucks. Reality is that in anti-tax zeal, Michigan screwed up its system of funding local government and schools. Soon thereafter, it began to lose business and population. Snyder is facing the reality of budget shortfalls. There will be more of this to come at the state and national level. I hope citizens can get past sound bites and beyond the notion that everything can be fixed with no pain and in about one sit-com cycle. But I'm skeptical. We're so divided, and so averse to confronting reality. One would have thought that oil embargoes, 9/11's and financial crises would have resulted in Americans pulling together. But no. We watch movies like &quot;Independence Day&quot; and revel in the sense of common purpose. Meanwhile, we seem to accentuate our differences (abortion? gay rights? marijuana [spelled as a grown-up spells the word]), rather than address our common needs and areas of agreement. It must be easier to posture than to address reality. Snyder is addressing reality. This is what leaders do. (Note: the foregoing is written by a lifetime liberal Democrat, or somewhere to the left of that. Regardless of one's ideology, finances don't lie.)


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 7:13 p.m.

It is, of course, their right. They should be careful to describe the emergency manager role accurately, however. Maybe with a direct quote from the governor's office. If they even read it, they will discover that there are options before that happens (look at Detroit right now, who is carefully mulling over options). And that if it happens, it usually is needed. Also, the community can elect to keep the mayor as the emergency manager, or whomever they want. Not so bad after all.


Mon, Apr 18, 2011 : 8:29 p.m.

&quot;. . . it usually is needed.&quot; Based on how they were implemented under Granholm? You don't see any difference here?