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Posted on Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 2:14 p.m.

MSU bests U-M on top-recruited university rankings

By Kellie Woodhouse

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MSU medical students graduate in this file photo.

The University of Michigan was bested by rival Michigan State University in a recent New York Times list of the 150 top-recruited universities worldwide.

The Times compiled the list, released last month, by asking hundreds of business leaders from 10 countries which schools most of their recruits hailed from.

While U-M came in at 52nd place, MSU ranked 39th. Of schools in North America, MSU ranked 20th and U-M assumed the 24th spot.

Ohio State University ranked 69th overall. University of Notre Dame ranked 83.

Also ahead of U-M were Harvard and Yale universities, the University of Virginia, University of Pennsylvania and University of North Carolina, among other schools.

Countries surveyed were Britain, Brazil, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Netherlands, Spain and the United States. Schools from all over the world were ranked.

Check out the Times survey here.

Kellie Woodhouse covers higher education for Reach her at or 734-623-4602 and follow her on twitter.



Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 3:35 p.m.

Wait a minute. This survey presumably lists the total number of recruits from each university. I see no indication that it controls for the size of the university. Given that MSU is the 9th largest university in the nation and has a larger enrollment than UM (36,000 undergrads vs. 26,200 at UM), one would certainly HOPE that more MSU graduates would be recruited! So let's everyone give the superiority complexes a rest...on both sides.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 8:18 p.m.

I thought about that too.....until I saw Harvard at the top. But, yes, just another way this "survey" is little more than one of those polls we get on about sidewalk repair or whatever.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 2:26 p.m.

U of M thinks they are such hot stuff. MSU is a REAL college campus with great professors.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 3:54 a.m.

Well, first of all, thanks for the &quot;news&quot;. I see the article is over a month old. Second, if you are going to write an article about an article, it might be nice to give a link to the article itself instead of just a part of it. Third, after actually reading the article: <a href="" rel='nofollow'>;sq=what+business+leaders+say&amp;st=nyt</a> it refers to MBAs. That is an interesting detail left out of the story about a story. Regardless, given the somewhat sketchy methods employed in the survey, I consider 24 and 20 the same number, but I am surprised MSU is even in the hunt.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 3:44 a.m.

in agreement with braggslaw. having attended both schools myself, this is great news for the state of michigan.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 2 a.m.

Go STATE! Check out the MSU girls in that picture!! NICE!! Go GREEEEN.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 1:11 a.m.

I'm sure more street sweepers were hired from MSU. Who did they ask again? This vague shotgun blast of 'hundreds of businesses' holds no weight with me. Most businesses don't seem to have an overwhelming population of Harvard grads filling their ranks anyway. Come on. And if there is a Yale grad working there, then it's only one person, and he's running the show. I guess if you need a whole bunch of laboring peons, then you recruit at MSU. I guess that it sense after all. Funny though, even the MSU med school girls are better looking than our football cheerleaders. They will always beat us on that one.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 1:06 a.m.

Gee, maybe it's because UM grads actually find employment right here in the U.S.?


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 11:27 p.m.

This is from the New York Times? Since when did they become credible?

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 10:55 p.m.

Poignant detail for any student deciding where to go to school -- average starting salary. No question it's higher at Michigan. Duh.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 3:56 a.m.

They do, but Big 10 schools are generally all the same. The only one I ever heard of a bump for was MIT.


Wed, Nov 30, 2011 : 12:37 a.m.

I don't know if that is true. A chemical engineering grad from MSU will make more than a liberal poetry feminist children studies major at UM. I would be curious if a company would pay a chem eng major differently depending on where they went to school.

Chris Ward

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 10:52 p.m.

Did these business leaders include execs from Vicoria Secret since they are so familiar with MSU? Hail to the Victors right State?

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 10:38 p.m.

Time for the mythbusters! Freshman tuition at M-S-Mooooooooooooooo = $12,822 Freshman tuition at U of M = $12,634 Worth noting that housing is cheaper at M-S-Moooooooooooo. But, after all, M-S-Mooooooooooooooooo has all of those empty stables. Sources: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> -and- <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Good Night and Good Luck

Craig Lounsbury

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:49 p.m.

the football coach gets fired when he can't beat Sparty. Does this mean Mary Sue is in hot water? Will she make it through finals? .... ;)


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:41 p.m.

They are both great school. I have worked with people from both schools and I have many personal and familial connections to both schools. They have different personalities, but both serve their purpose in educating students. We should be proud that our state can support two great schools.


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:33 p.m.

I'm not astonished by this. Given the economy, everyone is looking for bargain basement purchases. ;-)

Billy Bob Schwartz

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:24 p.m.

This report has about as much relationship to value of education at these schools as the MEAP has to actual valuable learning in the public schools. In fact, it has less relationship. Why do people keep coming out with these things? Is a University great because these CEOs like them, and poor because they don't like them? Another question: If they are going to do this, why aren't they asking personnel directors or someone else who has some contact with the employees? Does the CEO of GM work daily with the employees? Does she choose who is hired and from which univeresity they come? I doubt that very much. Can't wait for this word to get out. I bet Michigan applications will really drop off. Lol


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:20 p.m.

I notice China and India aren't ranked in this article. If they were, UM would probably rank #1 by a mile...


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.

OMG....what are we coming too.....the great U of M getting bested by Sparty again.......the blue collar beats the elitists again......

Marshall Applewhite

Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.

Not surprising, considering that UofM doesn't even want to hire its own graduates.


Tue, Nov 29, 2011 : 8:37 p.m.

Sounds like MSU is a bargain against overated UM.