MSU student from Saline says athletes beat, stabbed him
A Michigan State University student from Saline is alleging he was beaten and stabbed by a group of student athletes, according to a statement from his mother sent to AnnArbor.com
Brandon Carmack
Courtesy of Barb Carmack
Brandon Carmack, an advertising major, was beaten, stabbed in the head and arm and left with a broken nose and broken ribs, Barb Carmack said in an email to AnnArbor.com.
The incident occurred earlier this week outside of a home on Beal Street in East Lansing, according to an MLive Lansing report.
Carmack and her husband did not return phone calls nor an email from AnnArbor.com seeking comment on the incident. MLive Lansing is reporting affiliate WLNS was told a police report has been filed with the East Lansing Police Department.
Police directed WLNS to the Ingham County Prosecutor’s Office and officials there declined to comment on the incident.
Pictures sent to AnnArbor.com by Barb Carmack show visible injuries to her son’s face, arms, midsection and legs. Some of the pictures show Brandon Carmack in a neck brace with cuts and scrapes on his face.
MSU officials did not return an email sent Thursday asking if a group of athletes is involved in a police investigation in this attack.
Kyle Feldscher covers cops and courts for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at kylefeldscher@annarbor.com or you can follow him on Twitter.
Comments
Middle America
Sun, Sep 2, 2012 : 1:22 a.m.
If sports weren't viewed by so many people as the most important part of big universities, maybe this wouldn't have happened. College is for learning, not for overgrown children who get admitted just because they are good at sports.
Estate
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 4:09 p.m.
MSU does have a large and serious alcohol abuse problem more so than other State institutions and this incident may be an extended part of this problem.
babmay11
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 3:35 p.m.
I wonder what the girlfriend's story is - is it consistent with his?
Doug
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 12:40 p.m.
We read about all negative things that are heaped upon college students, particularly athletes. Rarely do we read about all the good things they do. No one read about the two Michigan football players, Brandon Herron and Tony Anderson, who came to my grandson's house for dinner when he invited them at a church gathering.
bull3058
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 1:57 p.m.
I agree with you, but remember that most positive articles are not as sensational as the negative.
mibadger
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 3:22 a.m.
The victim was attacked by hockey players and knew some of them by name. Here's his interview on wxyz.com http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/msu-student-says-he-was-attacked-by-members-of-hockey-team
JRW
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 1:08 a.m.
Unfortunately, this individual was assaulted. But how did he know the attackers were athletes?
nickcarraweigh
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 12:14 a.m.
This is a weird story, and not only because it's based on a single, hopelessly sketchy source. Chess games and cocoa may be unlikely to break out among a crowd of student athletes, but I don't really expect them to carry knives, either.
NoSUVforMe
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 9:58 p.m.
Nothing about the MSU athletic program would surprise me. After MSU's thuggary against UofM - 6 personal fouls including deliberate attempts to injure- Simons said nothing. Simons and Dantonio set the tone for a disgusting athletic program. They both should be fired.
Ricardo Queso
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 4:15 p.m.
Hey, there is a sale at the Taylor Wal-Mart! Maybe you can pick up a nice M sweatshirt for your daughters wedding.
genetracy
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 3:32 p.m.
I agree SUV. And I think Brady Hoke should be fired because the university was slow investigating the child porn found on the computrers at the U hospital.
NoSUVforMe
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 11:40 a.m.
Facts are out. Major coach allows,probably encourages, illegal violence on the playingn field. President Simons says and does nothing. I guess you think leadership and setting an example don't matter. I'm sure Dantonio and the other coaches think violence is just part of athletics. Feed them more red meat. Men will be men.
TheOnlyColors
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 10:08 p.m.
You are truly a class act. This has nothing to do with "personal foul penalties" or the president of the university or the football coach. This is a classic example of stupid college kids getting drunk and fighting over something. We have no idea what led up to this incident. For all we know this kid could have instigated the whole thing, then cried to mommy after he got his lunch handed to him. Or he could be a completely innocent victim. Let the facts come out first, then judge.
hail2thevict0r
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 7:38 p.m.
I'm glad I can comment on this one. It mentions "athletes" so one figures AnnArbor.com would make us go to mlive and deal with all the trolls associated with that site.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 6:18 p.m.
Keep in mind folks that there are two sides to every story and we have one here. Also I confidently will say that on college campuses, this is not uncommon. Fights occur frequently. Some get reported, some not. Some appear in the press, some don't. I happens everywhere.
sellers
Tue, Sep 4, 2012 : 11:50 a.m.
I don't believe anyone said anything about right versus wrong?
lorayn54
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 8:18 p.m.
even if fights are common that doesn't mean they are right
Mr. Sunshine
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 6:16 p.m.
A group of students in Michigan attacked a fellow student and did him bodily harm? Is this an article about MSU or our Republican nominee for President? These students have a bright future.
Macabre Sunset
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 5:55 p.m.
Or maybe the East Lansing police just doesn't care? Or maybe MSU is worried about getting a reputation as a university with a campus prone to violence? So much speculation. These incidents are adding up. There was one near the UM campus this morning. Perhaps our new laws reducing jail capacity and softening up the penalties for crime are keeping some nasty characters on the streets.
Tesla
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 5:49 p.m.
According to fox news he was at a party with his girlfriend and they got into a big argument, and he ended up get his hind end kicked pretty good. I can't say what I think may have happened here because it will get deleted but draw your own conclusions. I will say that perhaps the polices seemingly soft stand on this makes me wonder if some justification wasn't taking place.
OLDTIMER3
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 11:32 a.m.
Nothing justifies a gang beating of this magnitude. @ Craig the other 2 stories say he recognised some of them. Makes you wonder what was going on at the party.
Dr. Vag
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 5:09 p.m.
And your second source is?
sellers
Tue, Sep 4, 2012 : 11:49 a.m.
The story is very light on details at this time - so it's hard to say what really happened and if there is a history that caused this. At this time, it's just sad to see someone injured and that the community in East Lansing is experiencing this event.
Dr. Vag
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 1:24 p.m.
it was not directed at you, generally a newspaper needs two sources to report. AA.com seems to be reporting based on an e-mail from the boy's mother
Lovaduck
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 10:12 p.m.
If that was for me, the alleged anti-Semitic incident was reported on WDIV Channel 4, and was on their website yesterday.
Lovaduck
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 4:45 p.m.
Yes, I also noticed that a Jewish student from Detroit was asked "Are you Jewish?" allegedly before he was beaten. MSU dismissed, very quickly with no explanation, the notion that this was a hate crime. Now we have a second student beaten. It DOES make you wonder, and I'd wonder if this were happening anyplace---that is, this isn't a case of using these incidents to bash MSU as a rival. As another commentator pointed out, universities quickly deny such things as cultures of hate on campus, and want to stick their heads in the sand when negative stuff happens, especially involving athletics. Let's let the facts come out before judging, but I AM concerned, as a citizen. Can anyone say "Penn State"?
MSU0284
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 4:25 p.m.
What is going on in East Lansing? The second incident of group violence on a single person in one week. Just really saddening to read about.
justcurious
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 4:20 p.m.
More info. http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19423645/student-claims-msu-hockey-team-members-beat-him-up
demistify
Sat, Sep 1, 2012 : 12:47 a.m.
Congratulations. Your reportorial skills exceed those of AnnArbor.com.
JimmyD
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 4:43 p.m.
If I remember right the hockey team's house is on Beal. One way or another I hope this gets dealt with appropriately.
music to my ear
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 3:55 p.m.
this is the second person to have claimed violence against them at msu perhaps the school needs to nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand well the first was not athletes but yet up by the college and duh I know this type of violence happens all over the state and usa
Middle America
Sun, Sep 2, 2012 : 1:27 a.m.
They won't do anything. Sadly, they care way more about their athletic programs than the safety of their students.
81wolverine
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 6:15 p.m.
I agree that MSU needs to be more aggressive about curbing violence and bad behavior by their athletes. But, they (athletic administrators) have consistently shown weakness in this area over the last few years. Dantonio in particular runs a loose ship and it's up to his bosses to be the adults in the room.
Cash
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 3:54 p.m.
I am concerned that the MSU attack while a large group watched it last week was quickly dismissed as a "fake hate crime" by the local police there. I don't know who was telling the truth but it's worrisome to me that the victim was not believed because the witnesses to the incident said the guy did not ask if the young man was a Jew first and no one of the group saw the man staple the victim's mouth. I hope this doesn't become another quickly dismissed crime. If I was the parent of this victim, I'd be looking for a good private detective to investigate. Not enough facts here to determine it, but colleges are becoming VERY protective of their reputations, understandably. So it's important to be protective of the victim as well.
IMsoBURR
Sun, Sep 2, 2012 : 6:24 p.m.
He allegedly lied about the whole thing. A staple was found "in his mouth" but there was no evidence of him having his mouth stapled shut. This crime should be dismissed because he has created a fake story that has no evidence to support it.
Cash
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 8:33 p.m.
Well Mick, I worked in higher ed for 30 years.....and respectfully you are wrong. They are the masters of spin. Believe what you will. I'll leave it at that.
Mick52
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 6:10 p.m.
I disagree. Penn State did that an look at what happened. Right now colleges are walking on egg shells. These days with communications like they are and the ability to get info out anonymously, if more than one person knows something, it is going to get out. So it is better to come forward right away, do the right thing and look like you don't put up with bad behavior. That is the best you can do to protect your image. Anything else just is not worth the risk.
Billy Bob Schwartz
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 3:31 p.m.
Not enough info for reasoned comment. Let's hope whatever happened, this young man will get over it soon, and if the charges are for real, that the person(s) who did this will be dealt with quickly and strongly.
Craig Lounsbury
Fri, Aug 31, 2012 : 3:02 p.m.
I wonder how he knows they were athletes, unless he knows them by name? With the start of football upon us the quick assumption might be football players, but who knows for sure?