Q&A with Deb Mexicotte: What would the school board president say to Gov. Snyder?
In a 5-2 vote this past week, the Ann Arbor Board of Education approved a $183 million 2011-12 budget. School board President Deb Mexicotte joined us on 1290 WLBY right before the vote to discuss the funding struggle Ann Arbor and other districts are facing.
Lucy Ann: You have nearly a decade of service on the Ann Arbor Board of Education. Is this (budget process) the worst you’ve ever seen it?
Mexicotte: We’ve never had to cut this amount in such a short period of time. We have a structural deficit in funding education in Michigan, so we are every year looking at between six and seven million dollars to cut just because of that structural deficit. But last year with some changes in the way that we were funded, we ended up looking at a $20 million deficit and this year we’re looking at $15 million.
Deb Mexicotte talks about the school budget, the new superintendent's pay and what she would say to Gov. Rick Snyder.
Mexicotte: What it means is that it’s built in, that there isn’t a good way to not cut every year. We have certain costs that are rising every year such as retirement, in some cases health care - we’ve actually capped our health care so we’re able to control that a little bit - but salaries, utilities, all these things go up and yet state funding has not been able to keep pace based on the formula used under Proposal A in order to fund education. It’s as if every year your costs go up 5 percent, but your revenue only goes up 1 percent. That difference is that structural deficit.
Lucy Ann: If you were an adviser to Gov. Rick Snyder and could tell him what you think would work for these school districts, what’s the answer?
Mexicotte: Well, the first answer would be without investing in education for all students, we will not have the educated workforce, we will not have the businesses that we are trying to attract to move into our area, and we will not have the quality of life that we expect for our citizens.
Lucy Ann: How do you do that in an economical way? There’s only this pool of dollars to use.
Mexicotte: I believe that the governor needs to look at revenue generation. You know, no one wants to say the tax word, but we tax ourselves for those things that we value and we value education for all of our students. Not looking at the revenue side and thinking you can cut and cut and cut your way to prosperity is just not what history has told us. We pay for what we value, we are willing to do that. Look at the last special education millage that just passed; it passed in some places at 90 percent, and why? Because people said, “You know what, I had no idea how strapped our schools were going to be around this issue and we are willing to pay for what is going to be good for our students.” So, I would say to Gov. Snyder, “This is an investment that we know we need to make. It is the primary engine of economic security and a high quality of life and we deserve to be given the opportunity to pay for it.”
Lucy Ann: The Ann Arbor Public Schools recently launched an agreement with a local business to license and sell wearables, which I think is a really interesting concept. Is there something that we can do on a business side to generate revenue as opposed to taxing our residents?
Mexicotte: Well, I think that we have been exploring a lot of those possibilities and certainly the licensing agreement is one of them. For years, we allowed the use of our school names and the like on all kinds of apparel and hadn’t even really thought about the fact that a small licensing fee would not harm businesses and actually help the schools.
Lucy Ann: Anyone could put a Huron River Rat on a T-shirt and sell it over at Meijer. That has stopped now because you have this new licensing agreement.
Mexicotte: Some of the big box stores were making a large profit. If our brand in Ann Arbor means something because of our fine education and the fine quality of life here, then that’s something that people can give back to the community a little bit for. We certainly are looking at any area that we might be able to use while keeping true to our core mission, which is the education of students. We also have a new superintendent coming in July 1, Dr. Patricia Green, and we know that that always brings new energy, new ideas, new ways of looking at things, and I think that we’re all really looking forward to that as well.
Lucy Ann: I want to ask you about her salary. That was a point of consternation among some taxpayers considering the hard times that you’ve outlined here. How much is she going to be making?
Mexicotte: Her salary package is approximately $245,000 in terms of actual salary.
Lucy Ann: The district spent around $30,000 for the search.
Mexicotte: That’s right. (It was) a national search. We were very pleased with the candidates that were brought forward.
Lucy Ann: Explain why her salary and the cost for the search are worth it.
Mexicotte: We were looking for an experienced superintendent, somebody who could really lead us in these very, very difficult economic times, in these difficult educational times, and who had the experience of working with districts already that didn’t have to grow into the position but understood what it meant to be a superintendent. The board looked at what kind of salary would we need to put forward in order to get that kind of experienced superintendent and that is, indeed, the superintendent that we have hired. She has nine years of experience in her previous district as a superintendent, she’s been a deputy superintendent before that, and she has a long record of being able to turn around areas in student achievement, in special education, in budgeting, in negotiations. She is the whole package in terms of what we were looking for. We also knew, perhaps, that it would be a struggle to get those great candidates to come to Michigan where we have been struggling a bit economically. We knew these challenges would be great so we needed someone who was visionary and knew that they would be up for the challenge. The last thing we wanted someone who was going to make a long-term commitment to the district understanding that their salary was probably not going to move during the time that they were here.
Lucy Ann: No one should be expecting that $250,000 to go up.
Mexicotte: That is correct. No one is expecting that.
Lucy Ann: And I guess time will tell whether it was worth it.
Mexicotte: And I think that’s always the case in a hiring process. You know, you do the best you can, you bring the community together, you bring the board together, you bring the administrators together, and we think we have made an excellent choice for the school district. But, as you say, time will tell. I think that in two years, if she is the visionary leader that we’re hoping that she’ll be, I don’t think that her salary will be an issue any longer.
Lucy Ann Lance and Dean Erskine own Lance & Erskine Communications, which produces “The Lucy Ann Lance Business Insider” (M-F, 8 a.m.-11 a.m.) and “The Lucy Ann Lance Show” (Saturdays, 9 a.m.-12 p.m.) on 1290 WLBY. The programs are live streamed at www.1290WLBY.com, and podcast on www.lucyannlance.com. The above interview is a condensed version of a longer conversation that is edited for clarity. The complete audio interview is posted online at www.lucyannlance.com.
Comments
SonnyDog09
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 3:12 p.m.
When a politician talks about a "structural deficit" what they are saying is there are things that they don't have the guts to change, and that their strategy for dealing with it is to whine about it and hope that someone else fixes it for them. As Teddy Roosevelt observed, "I could carve a stronger backbone out of a banana."
ottomobeal
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 1:31 p.m.
Change teacher pensions to "Defined Contribution" plans for all new teachers. I heard that the State of Michigan requires the schools to pay 25% of each teacher's salary to the retirement fund. This is ridiculous! The retirement fund is a pyramid scheme, with no end in sight. Not only have pensions proven to be unsustainable, but they create an environment where the school boards make BAD decisions. One example is that early retirements "save" the district money. Maybe this year, but next year the contribution to the state retirement fund goes up. And that contribution cannot be reduced. I think that the schools should change from a "defined benefit" to a "defined contribution" pension. Most of the Fortune 500 have made this change, plus the State of Michigan workers are on this plan. The contribution usually ranges from 5 to 10% per worker. The benefits are that the schools aren't liable for future costs, they paid them today, and as new hires are placed into this type of pension it SAVES the school districts lots of CASH that can be used for other things - like education.
snapshot
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 1:15 p.m.
Ms. Mexicotte, I do not "value" education that bankrupts the state. Nor do I value education for educators sake. A state full of philosophy majors will produce no benefit to Michigan's well being. You speak of structural deficits and increasing pension costs with revenue not keeping up and your solution is increasing taxes. What makes you think the rest of us are not suffering from structural deficits? You, Ms. Mexicotte, seem fixated on bringing revenues up to expenditures instead of bringing expenditures down to revenues. The inflated superintendents salary is an example of your leadership and lack of fiscal restraint. You, Ms. Mexicotte, and folks who continue to think inside the "cash cow" box are the biggest dtriment to the value of education. Folks didn't vote for the special education millage because they value education, they voted for it because they don't really know how much of that money goes towards the "educators instead of the kids" and you're not telling them.
DonBee
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 4:51 a.m.
The most important item in the interview is the confirmation that the costs of AAPS are rising at a rate of 5 percent a year. With the vast majority of the costs related to personnel, fixing this means new contracts. This is going to be painful all the way around. I hope the new superintendent has the ability to re-do all the contracts next year.
John B.
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 8:44 p.m.
I see that all of the usual suspects are out in force on this one. No surprise there.... The questions that Lucy Ann asked were excellent, considering the brevity of the interview.
snoopdog
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 7:31 p.m.
Wow, Deb Mex is totally clueless to what has happened to this state the past 10 years. Just raise taxes she says, I say she needs to be recalled ! Good Day
snapshot
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 1:19 p.m.
The folks who don't vote keep allowing her to be reelected.
Huron74
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 10:35 p.m.
And after "nearly a decade of service" with these results we keep re-electing her.
joe.blow
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 6:26 p.m.
Seems like the budget this lady cares about is funding health care and retirement. Things that directly help students. Liberals.
Stephen Landes
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 6:11 p.m.
We have been spending more and more money on public education for years and what we have is a population that has toruble reading, writing, and doing basic math. We are spending far too much money on providing a variety of classes at the high school end yet scrimping on the k-6 end where these basic skills are taught. We do not need more money in order to provide the educated population necessary to work in this economy. We need to re-prioritize the way we spend money, at which age groups we target resources, and stop spending money on class variety. In my opinion as an interested observer, our schools are trying to offer a wide variety of classes in order to appeal to the interests of students. There is no way we can ever provide that kind of variety and hope to keep students interested and in school. We would serve our children better by focusing on teaching the basics to small groups of students in elementary school (small class sizes), teaching them how to use their reading, wrting, and math skills to study the world ON THEIR OWN in middle school, and guiding their own study efforts in high school. Students motivated to think about the world will want to learn new tools to help them process all the data they encounter whether that be languages, advanced math skills, science, music, or art. Continually thinking we have to do everything through narrowly defined classes with specialized teachers is a road to bankruptcy AND unmotivated, unskilled, unable "graduates".
University Do-Boy
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 4:58 p.m.
I suggest she say, I am signing your recall petition. In Ypsilanti, sign it at the ypsi farmer's market every Tuesday from 2-6PM in June. Get this guy out for what he is doing to education in Michigan.
northside
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 2:41 p.m.
People want schools to be run like a business but with the costs of a second-hand store. I don't agree with the superintendent making 250K but by the standards of the business world that's not high. Ditto for the 30K national search, half of which went to a consulting firm. Applying the business model to education doesn't necessarily result in lower costs.
northside
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 6:06 p.m.
250 is not an unusual salary for a business exec, especially one who runs an organization the size of AAPS. I'm not saying I think school leadership should be paid at the corporate rate; I find many corporate exec salaries to be outrageous. All I'm saying is that if people want a superintendent who acts like a CEO and runs the school like a business, they'll expect to be paid a business exec's salary. That's one of many drawbacks to having schools mimic the business world.
Basic Bob
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 3:54 p.m.
1. I don't think it's OK to charge Gucci prices for flea-market results. 2. By the standards of business? Please clarify how a 5-year guaranteed contract, months (!) of paid vacation, $1/4M salary, and benefits for life are at all typical. IMO, the cost of the national search was very low, but the necessity has not been adequately demonstrated. 3. People are asking for effective management of our resources and the best level of service possible for the available funds. Sorry that's too hard to understand.
aataxpayer
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 2:28 p.m.
Given its length, it's a good interview. Thanks.
mojo
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 12:44 p.m.
Average salaries have fallen alot in this state. MEA needs to digest that.
Basic Bob
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 12:16 p.m.
There's only two things missing: "Paid for by the committee to reelect Deb Mexicotte" "I'm Deb Mexicotte and I approve this message"
northside
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 2:36 p.m.
What are you talking about? In a relatively short interview Lance raised three issues that directly challenged Mexicotte: * Why aren't the schools trying to find more revenue sources? * Is the superintendent's 250K salary excessive? * Was the 30K spent on the search excessive? Perhaps you're accustomed to the interview style of Bill O'Reilly, where an interviewee of differing opinion is constantly interrupted and doesn't get a chance to present their side. Lance challenging questions but allowed Mexicotte to answer. That's a good interview, not a campaign ad.
DDOT1962
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 12:08 p.m.
Ms. Mexicotte, I hope you're right about the new superintendent growing into her quarter-million dollar salary. That is going to be a bitter pill if she proves even a little incompetent or wayward. A note about Gov. Snyder's strategy for education: It seems to me, with his good-practices incentives to local districts, he's trying to get the school boards and administrations to do the hard, arm-twisting work of reining in costs associated mostly with teachers retirement and health care. He's avoiding the public showdown between his office and the statewide MEA a la Wisconsin, but he's putting it on local districts to come up with the same results. I think if you look to his office in hopes of ideas for new tax generation, you'll be disappointed. Just my opinion.
snapshot
Sun, Jun 12, 2011 : 1:04 p.m.
It is within the power of state and local officials to "change" retirement costs. Why do folks think it is not? It seems Michigan folks think what was must always be.
Bill Wagner
Sat, Jun 11, 2011 : 3:12 p.m.
Unfortunately, retirement costs are mandated by the state. Snyder's administration, and the current legislature are not partners in reining in these costs. They are pushing the local districts (and municipalities) to an ever increasing burden on current employees to pay for retirement benefits that are no longer reasonable. Any local official I know would immediately restructure retirement costs, if only those costs were not mandated by the state.