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Posted on Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 6:30 p.m.

Snyder doesn't understand challenges many families face

By Letters to the Editor

The people of Michigan have been taken for a ride. In 2010, voters picked Rick Snyder. Many did so because they thought he was an outsider. He was not a politician. He was businessman who knew how to balance budgets responsibly. He was "one tough nerd."


Rick Snyder

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Instead, he’s turned out to be one big disaster. No leader can, in good conscience, make low and middle-income families pay more in taxes so wealthy corporations can get tax breaks. That’s exactly what Snyder did when he raised taxes on families and seniors and taxed health care, so he could give $1.8 billion in tax breaks to big corporations.

Snyder may be a good businessman, but he doesn’t understand simple fairness. And he definitely doesn’t understand the challenges ordinary middle-class families face.

Mike Davis Jr.

Sumpter Township



Sun, May 12, 2013 : 6:52 p.m.

Hope that come the next election, the people of Michigan give Snyder and the Republican legislature the heave ho.


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 1:41 a.m.

I had no idea life was perfect for families in Michigam until Snyder came along.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 11:32 p.m.

rather than say he has been sticking it to the poor, rich tax breaks, fair share, wawawa,.... please for once let's lay the cards on the table - what do poor or lower middle class people (whatever that means) think they are entitled to from government and the rest of us who pay most all of the taxes? cash? food? clothing? car? a free cab or bus? insurance? 36" flat screen, no 65" HD flat screen? smokes? vodka? night out on the town? Where does it end? Why does someone who works 80 hours a week owe thousands in state taxes and someone who made 50 bad and voluntary choices and is "poor" deserve that hard earned money? When I'm at work making tax dollars for all the takers on this post, I'm away from my family, stressing, etc. for what? For you? So my choice is work less and make less for my family to cut down my tax burden and get on the government dole like you? The high school drop outs are often on welfare of some sort, crank out more kids for the public system, are typically in poor health w/ gov. health care - they get their fair share and then some. pay nothing except cigarette taxes? gas tax? sales tax? I don't consider it paying your share if you use the public services and have to pay sales tax with the free money you get - now that one is really weak. A free society to make choices. Live with your choices. people who truly are not responsible (a person with Downs Syndrome, or severe chronic illness not self inflicted) deserve a social safety net. The rest need to Suck it up and live with your choices that allow you to troll the A2 articles all day and write your Liberal nonsense. What does a 22 year old women with 4 kids by different fathers on welfare now and forever contribute as her fair share? Just asking because there are thousands that are in that boat and I'm sick of that garbage.


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 9:46 p.m.

The perfect definition of "rant."


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 11:21 p.m.

Yea, jobs and prosperity are a big problem for Michigan. Governor Snyder is a genius - a level of intellect democrats are genetically unable to recognize - and doing an excellent job for the state. Mike, you're problem is that you are both a liar and idiot, two traits that make your opinion meaningless.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 7:34 p.m.

Ann Arbor dot com appears to becoming a blog. Opinion pieces full of false statements appear to keep getting posted. We need to be careful, someone may believe what is published in these opinion articles.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 1:16 p.m.

Who can trust this hypocritical liar?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 7:28 p.m.

He's the worst type of conservative Runs moderate and sneaks in reactionary legislation without public scrutiny Throw him in the lake and be done with it


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:48 a.m.

No, our lakes are to good to be polluted with the likes of Tricky Ricky. He can just move out of State. That would work.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:55 a.m.

He's a RINO and not a conservative. He does moderate things ALL THE TIME and not just at election time. You are holding him responsible for the legislature,another branch of government (which is more conservative, thankfully). As if nothing they do isn't approved of by him in advance. He can either veto legislation or sign the bill. Coming from his own party he is inclined to sign them even if he didn't care about it in the first place.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 7 p.m.

Should anybody be surprised at Snyder's actions? He has overtaxed the middle class and loosened the burden not to mention regulations on the wealthy. He just sent and emergency manager to oversee the city of Detroit, run, or perhaps misrun by another elected businessman, Dave Bing. The election of both men provide a cautionary tale that you can't run a government like a business; i.e. you shouldn't elected businesspersons to office.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:46 a.m.

Yeap, and Dave "Do-Nothing" Bing thinks he's getting re-elected Detroit's Mayor. What a joke!! Glad to hear CPA and Accountant Tom Barrow is running as he will finally get Detroit heading in the RIGHT direction!

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:51 a.m.

Detroit was basically bankrupt when Bing came in. He was blocked by the rabble rousers on the council most of the time and really in an impossible position the rest. Michigan suffered the largest drop in income under Jennifer Granholm of any state in American history. But sure, the problem is a business man arrived to shoulder the mess that was created. Whatever.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:30 p.m.

Should Michigan be more like California? Huge debt, insanely high taxes on the wealthy, businesses leaving the state, city bureaucrats making $400,000 a year after retirement? Is that the solution? Get over your bitterness about right to work. Prepare to be bitter about Obamacare.


Thu, May 2, 2013 : 11:08 p.m.

It appears responses in kind to "Fox talking points" don't meet moderator standards. Our loss. 1) go to, access video links for 26 April in the afternoon. See IRS testimony, go to minutes 48:00-57:30. $488 million through 2012, $360 million 2013, $430 million 2014. 2) And yes, waivers still in effect because of the "train wreck".


Thu, May 2, 2013 : 5:11 a.m.

Wow AC, big surprise, that info isn't referenced in your link. Kinda hard to comment on unsupported claims with no background. You're clearly no journalist or your Fox News talking points need an update.


Thu, May 2, 2013 : 1:04 a.m.

I see you ignored the 1.2 billion IRS bill, and didn't get to the answer on the 1000 waivers. Come on Sparty, save us some $$$ and get some answers! Don't go DC native on us!


Wed, May 1, 2013 : 3:37 a.m.

Why, GEEZ, AC that may be a proposal in MD that will most likely not be approved by the State or won't stand up to competitive pricing within the Exchange if no State approval is required? You've heard of of going in with high hopes knowing you'll have to negotiate down or that the others on the Exchange will force a competitive market based pricing? It's done every year in most States. Some State Insurers request higher increases, why dont you try to scare people with one of those? There will be additional coverages required under ObamaCare, more protection that is, so likely some additional costs granted but market pricing will allow people to choose the coverages and pricing that best meets their needs.


Sun, Apr 28, 2013 : 9:54 p.m.

Well jeez Sparty, we need to get you to Washington DC and talk to the director of the IRS. Seems he testified to Congress last week on Obamacare implementation. $300+ million spent last year, $400 million this year and next. Not counting additional HHS employees. You could save us a lot of money! While you're doing that, would you ask why there have been over a thousand waivers (and associated political connections) for Unions and large corporations for implementation delay? And since you'll be close, swing by Maryland and talk to Blue Cross, they're jacking their rates up 25% to cover ACA. Looks like you'll be busy.


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 7:18 p.m.

There won't need to be an army of IRS agents going after people who don't "buy it". People won't be buying ObamaCare. Citizens will be purchasing insurance, most from their employers, some from Medicare/Medicaid, etc. Only those that don't have access to it through resources that they currently have it through, will be able to purchase it through Exchanges and they will have many options to choose from and can select the carrier, options and cost that best meet their individual needs. If they fail to do so, and choose intentionally to not have any insurance, they will pay a penalty/tax through their income tax filing or it will be assessed against them automatically at that time. Please get educated. "Buying ObamaCare indeed". ROFL.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:44 a.m.

Pick up a book or read the internet, under Democrat Jerry Brown's Leadership, California has SOLVED its' deficit problem under former Republican Governor and B rate movie actor Arnold S. So your point is?

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:47 a.m.

It will be interesting to see the army of IRS agents that are a part of Obamacare going after people for not buying it. That will make the democrats lots of new friends.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 8:47 p.m.

California's economy is the 8th largest Economy in the World if measured on it's Own. It has as many companies moving there as moving away due to the huge population of Customers to be served. Millions are looking forward to 2014 and having eligibility for healthcare thanks to ObamaCare, finally!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:50 p.m.

Can you cite the statistics about how many businesses have left the state and where they went? I cannot say that I share your opinion, at least not in the way you state it. California still has a large and thriving business community, so just the facts, please.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:13 p.m.

I agree. As a senior my small pension is now taxed by the State, [along with the Federal Tax that we always paid]. I have to make this loss up somewhere else. I no longer shop for what I want, just for what I need, therefore, less of my dollars will be going back into the economy. I don't see this changing in the future with Snyder as Governor. On the other hand, Gov. Snyder has so much money, he can't possibly understand our struggles. It would be nice if he tried. I actually don't believe he even wants to understand.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:44 a.m.

Really? And that is what did it? A 4% tax on your pension with a personal exemption to knock some of that off.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:09 p.m.

to tax dollars dont go back into the economy?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:11 p.m.

Agree with everything Mike Davis Jr. Well except for Snyder being a good businessman, that's debatable


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:10 p.m.

oh yes... one becomes a billionare by only being average, or below average... LOL


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:01 p.m.

Rick Snyder does not live in the real world, therefore he cannot offer real world solutions. That is why his business solutions benefit whomever they benefit, which is not least of those in our society. At heart, I believe he agrees with Romney's 47% are takers. He does not, he cannot understand that they would love to be financially independent and not be in the group that needs help. But if needing help makes one a taker, with all the negative baggage that carries with it, then we have truly lost site of what this great nation was, and now we have replaced it with selfishness and egotism. Yes, there are people who game the system and are real takers, but that is a very small minority -- they just get all the publicity. And that is all Mr. Snyder can see from his palace.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:41 a.m.

Snyder is actually a RINO and spends far too much time trying to please people who will never vote for him simply because he believes it's the right thing to do.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 6:52 p.m.

jayjay: It is quite a leap to assert that Snyder aligns with Romney' comment on the 47%. Snyder has proposed doubling funding for preschool education for low income workers. He has begun a study to find ways to improve the mental health safety net in Michigan. These are more typically Democratic initiatives than Republic ones. You may not like all of his actions, but there is no objectivity in your comment.

John S. Armbruster

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:55 p.m.

Show me a Democratic Govenor that actually improved the outlook for the state. I don't remember one. I wonder how many Democratic politicians and their cronies are in jail or underindictment or on parole. Snyder has done a decent job though not a perfect job. Beats all the Democratic politicians hands down.

Nicholas Urfe

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:48 p.m.

Taxes on the working class of Michigan are very high compared to many other states. And under Snyder and the GOP, going higher all the time. Those states typically have better weather, better economies, better roads, etc. The "value proposition" just isn't here.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:40 a.m.

Apart from CA the "better weather" states are usually Republican. FYI


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:22 p.m.

What was Mr. Davis thinking during all of the Granholm years? Patting her on the back? High fiving her? She did nothing to move this state forward. If you don't like all of the tax loopholes that were taken away, move to a state like Florida with poor services. We have a balanced budget and a rainy day fund now. I'm happy. Stop looking for a hand out.


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 7:25 p.m.

Wrong Jay. Try getting educated about Granholm's record, those that just bash it look foolishly partisan and uneducated. Why are you talking about Snyder? I was referring to Dave's post about Granholm - please stay on point. She resolved $14 billion in budget deficits as I stated. Her "No worker left behind" program put a minimum of 65,000 through re-training after they lost their jobs. Her clean energy programs left Michigan among the leaders in wind and solar energy programs at the end of her Administration.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:42 a.m.

Florida has a Republican Governor too...Rick Scott and a former Republican Charlie Crist before that. Since Michigan is going the way of Florida under Rick Snyder's "leadership", your point is?

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:38 a.m.

Sparty, when Snyder came in there was a large budget deficit. Granholm didn't fix squat. So many departments were in bad shape that it's not even funny (like the parks falling apart in many places while Granholm ran "pure Michigan" ads locally here in MI at election time to make people feel better about her and the state). The green jobs thing went bust, in case you didn't notice. The job retraining was probably federal money.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 8:40 p.m.

Not resolving $14 billion in budget deficits ? Not the 65,000+ that received 2+ years of free job retraining after losing their jobs ? Not starting Michigan's leading role in clean energy ? Nothing, huh ?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:12 p.m.

the REAL person who is out of touch is Mr. Davis the Governor is trying to get the state back on it's feet after the YEARS of corruption and failed "leadership" of Granholm. she ran companies OUT of the state lost the state Thousands of jobs and had an entire generation of college graduates leave the state taking their talents and tax $ with them. here we have a governor that is trying to fix the state and we have lemmings following the democrat's party line of complaining about ANYTHING someone from the republican party does. their motto is "if it wasn't our idea it's stupid" their divisive way of politic's is sickening and so is the lame LTTE above.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:40 a.m.

Stop blaming the last Governor. This is "One Tough Nerd" mess to deal with and by the comments here, Ricky sounds about an ONE-TERMED as he can get.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:07 p.m.

No politics from me, but I agree with the headline, Gov. Snyder does not understand the challenges the 'most of us' face. How could he? I have been in his outer orbit for over 20 years, and most that time he spent enriching himself and his friends at the taxpayers expense. Anyone who thinks or thought he was an outsider was delusional. He is firmly part of the revolving door of business and politics. I attended an event last night where Gov. Snyder and his daughter arrived in a new car, with a driver, and two bodyguards. His daughter attends Greenhills HS, a private and expensive school. Does that sound like someone who faces challenges? And I agree with others who have commented on his robotic personality, every time I have spoken with him, in a variety of contexts, I have found him to be cold and odd, at best.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 8:18 p.m.

@John: When democrats stop blaming Bush and excusing Obama. How's that? In reality, I think after four years you own it, regardless off who is in office. Fair enough?


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 1:24 p.m.

@ Jay...quit blaming Granholm, when are you going to stop blaming the prior administration for Snyder's FAILURES

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:31 a.m.

Bud, democrats are more in favor of those economic institutions you mentioned than republicans. As for the money on bodyguards (state police troopers?), I think Granholm had that too. So what is your point? From the hate that is present here I think he needs them. Granholm also made the state pay 250k/year in salary and benefits to hire two assistants for her husband ("The first gentleman" or whatever). I don't recall democrats complaining one iota about that. At least Engler got rid of Blanchard's toy helicopter when he was there to save money.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:25 a.m.

Uh... I am pretty sure that our taxes are paying for the cars, the armed escorts, his salary, and the money he redistributed/earned at SPARK and other 'economic development corporations' that he has been associated with.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:12 p.m.

how dare he make $ on his own and spend it!! the shame!!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:07 p.m.

I have a right to work. Where's my job Mr. Snyder? Should I make an appointment to come and talk to you in Lansing for my new job as promised?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:15 p.m.

you have to EARN a job. get off your computer and go get one.

A Voice of Reason

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1 p.m.

I am loving the timing of these Letter to the Editor pieces being generated by the Michigan Democratic party. Here is your message: He is rich so he doesn't understand families. According to Students First (Michelle Rhea-former Washington DC Superintendent and Bill Crosby-who are Democrats), the reforms Snyder has made in education financing and teacher quality standards are A+. This is what families and parents want so GIVE ME A BREAK WITH YOUR POLITICAL NONSENSE! I am not surprised Ford Motor Company doesn't move to Canada where the corporate taxes are less. They are loyal to Michigan, but shareholders will eventually complain.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 6:43 p.m.

jayjay: Consider 2 choices. One is trying something new with the knowledge that there is no proof it will work. The other choice is to stick with things that are proven not to work.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:41 p.m.

I'll give the education system an A+ when Michigan stops spending more on prisons than on education. It's an immoral practice that hurts our economy.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:32 p.m.

Ford Motor Company has some major operations in Canada. If corporate taxes were the only issue, there are many places that would outrank Canada. Please tell me how Snyder's education reforms are A+ when every school district in Michigan is facing the problems they are facing. Let's see how things look after Snyder is gone and his reforms have had a real chance to take effect -- what he has done will show up years down the road. And then it may be too late for many students who lost out. Hate to tell Bill Cosby, but he doesn't have all the answers; he is but one voice and some of what he says may be true. But I have yet to see proof that anything Snyder has done in the education realm has made equality of opportunity and the chance for bright future available to all.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:14 p.m.

well put AVoR but don't try to confuse them with facts and logic, they outnumber us in stupid and have a LOT of practice.

Kai Petainen

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:25 p.m.

"Many did so because they thought he was an outsider" Apart from political views, I thought many chose to elect him because of the connections to Ann Arbor, SPARK, and the University of Michigan? Sometimes people vote not on political ideals, but on network connections.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:37 p.m.

I think people voted for him because he talked a good game. He sounded reasonable, especially when compared to Bernero. I was all set to vote for him, but once I got to the polls, voting for a Republican felt like an act of violence. I just couldn't do it, and I'm glad now that I didn't.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:57 a.m.

People are just mad because they missed out on Cash for Clunkers!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:28 a.m.

The reason unemployment is down has 2 reasons.1 A lot of receipients have run out of weeks to draw. 2 seasonal jobs are starting back up for the coming summer months.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:13 p.m.

just remember to apply that logic to the NATIONAL UE numbers...


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:14 a.m.

I'm all for opinion pieces, but they should generally be of substance to make the pages here. This, on the other hand, is a talking point you can find anywhere. It's nothing more than fluff with a name signed to it.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:03 a.m.

I do tax returns for a senior couple. Their homestead refund was barely reduced, BASED ON THEIR INCOME, as it should be. Their pension was already taxed, it's public pensions that were exempt and are no longer, and they should be taxed. I'd like to see seniors social security and Medicare beneifts based on assets and income, not just income. Other is no reason why a senior with a large bank balance can't bear more of the costs. Today a senior with income that's is enough for them to live on and hundreds of thousands in the bank pay virtually nothing for medical care - Medicare doesn't look at bank balance.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:44 p.m.

Seniors have paid all their lives into social security & medicare. They have earned their SS. Everyone should have an emergency fund so lets not punish the people that saved instead of buying things. It doesn't take long for ones savings to dwindle in an emergency. Saving is only smart financing.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:05 p.m.

Better the burden fall further onto seniors, rather than the wealthy and their corporations? They'll be dead soon anyway, I guess.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 10:46 a.m.

Greedy seniors need to pay their fair share. Thankfully we finally have a governor with the courage to stick it to them.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:21 a.m.

The really low income ones won't pay anything and the ones making six figures from two pensions should have been paying all along.

A Voice of Reason

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:08 p.m.

No, just those who are part of government pensions and think that they can avoid paying taxes all together, while others with 401Ks have to pay taxes on them.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 10:42 a.m.

i really don't think any politician these days has a clue as to how the average Joe lives these days. It appears to me all they are interested in is making new laws to curtail our freedoms and raise our taxes to spend very irresponsibly. Sorry, that that's how I feel.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 9:49 a.m.

The moral of the story--- It's a lot easier to cut taxes that to raise them, if our State government had left taxes alone the past 20 years we wouldn't be in this predicament.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:10 a.m.

I had the chance to meet our governor a couple weeks ago when he stopped by where I work. I tried to engage him in a simple conversation, kinda like I do with every other customer, and he spewed political rhetoric at me as if I was just another donor or person he unfortunately had to deal with. He was very polite, but 100% disingenuous. He looks at us as assets, as numbers, not people. And while this may work in business, it doesn't work when you are the leader of the state and your every decisions affects millions of people.

Jay Thomas

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:20 a.m.

You got all that from a visit to buy something. Wow. I suppose you felt that Granholm cared about everyone as people, too. Yikes.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:42 a.m.

pictures or it didn't happen


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:24 a.m.

Here, here! Government is charged with being a good steward for all state citizens, resources and services - not just the business sector.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 4:35 a.m.

"Thinker" tells us "Lower income residents don't even pay taxes!" Except for sales tax, gasoline tax, etc. and other taxes that Romney, Ryan, tea partiers, etc ignore when telling us that 47% of the population -- you know, the "takers" -- don't pay "taxes". But that's silly, since lower income people pay a lot of taxes, however inconvenient that may be for the right wing of the GOP's political arguments. Misstating the facts doesn't improve their arguments.

A Voice of Reason

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:07 p.m.

Well, those on welfare are paying taxes with with money that is paid to them by the gov. so, they are not really paying taxes.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:40 p.m.

If you average in bridge cards I think we're back to them being takers.

Basic Bob

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:51 a.m.

But it sure beats the Single State Recession.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:54 a.m.

Democrat parrot says; "1.8 billion in tax breaks" ,,, SQWAAK,,, "corporations are evil" ,,, SQWAAK,,, "Snyder is evil" ,,, SQWAAK,,, "Democrats are always better" ,,,SQWAAK,,, "Let the caring Democrats from Detroit City Council run Michigan and we will see real progress" ,,,SQWAAK,,,SQWAAK


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 7:48 p.m.

Evil 1%, evil 1%. ... Sqwaaak. Successful people need to be punished. ... Sqwaaak. Want a cracker, Sqwaaaak.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:28 a.m.

Well, you got everything right except that I would not want the Detroit City Council to run Michigan and I doubt that it will happen.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:44 a.m.

It is beyond me why people keep repeating something that is proven false. The tax cut eliminated double taxation for small businesses. Large companies did not get a tax cut. Why is not checking the facts and running them?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:44 a.m.

I totally agree with you, Mr. Davis. And with the headline. I know that my own standard of living has gone downhill since Tricky Ricky became governor.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:04 p.m.

Obama's fault. Do you liberals see how dumb that sounds, but it is exactly what was said constantly during Bush's tenure.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:25 a.m.

Everyone quit complaining - ya got it good for a while anyway. We haven't faced the real austerity, more sequestrations, runaway inflation, rising crime, more assaults on the Constitution, Marshal Law, (general malaise and discontent, well in certain arenas, anyway) and the idiots to come yet And yes, I am an optimist and fun guy.

Jay Thomas

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:57 p.m.

Compared to the problems we see in other countries, this is nothing.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:06 p.m.

I think it's Martial Law. As I recall, Marshall Law was a deputy for Marshall Dillon


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:01 a.m.

Snyder has been exactly what was expected. No surprises. Just be grateful that his extreme right-wing opponents for the Republican primary aren't in power. Egad! Hopefully, the Dems can field a real candidate in 2014, not an angry mayor from Lansing. Also, hope that the Tea Party doesn't replace Snyder with one of their mindless slash-and-burn Hoeskstra types, just in case someone sane comes up short.

Jay Thomas

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:54 p.m.

I'm hoping Jeffrey Feiger might be available again. Keep hope alive!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 6:09 p.m.

NoSUVforMe - The State did so well under Governor Granholm for 8 years, didn't it? We did not even try to pay into the pension funds that the state is responsible for, so we could take care of the things she wanted to do now. Now we owe more than $43 BILLION dollars to the pension funds, and you and I (I assume you pay some state taxes) are going to have to dig deep and pay for that debt. We only need to double or triple the taxes for 2 or 3 years to fill that hole in. That is all income, sales, gas, corporate, personal property, drivers licenses, registration fees, and other state use taxes. That is ALL it would take to pay back what is owed to the state retirement funds. Then there are the local and country retirement funds for public sector workers that are underfunded too. Yes, let's bring back someone who will let those holes get deeper and deeper until the whole state is bankrupt and the pensions are not able to be paid at all. I hope you are not a public employee or retiree


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:02 p.m.

The last thing we need is another liberal.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:01 a.m.

I don't agree with everything Snyder has done, most particularly eliminating the motor cycle helmet requirement. THAT was stupid! BUT, he has been great for our state, and the is the backbone and basis for the economic health of all the citizens here. Yes, there have been tax increases for all of us, but we will all benefit from a more stable economic footing as more businesses continue to come here. I support the toughnerd,.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 8:07 p.m.

Hey, we are cutting Obama some slack to fix his economy in more than 4 years - why not off the same consideration to Snyder? I don't like everything the guy has done either but let's see if the state is on sound financial footing when hi term is up and if unemployment levels have been substantially reduced. You can't keep spending money you don't have and can't keeping asking for small businesses to pay more taxes.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:20 p.m.

What businesses?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:18 a.m.

Well, 400,000 Michigan citizens remain unemployed for whom the Governor has no plan. Furthermore, I have not seen a list of all the purported companies which have migrated to Governor Snyder's Michigan wonderland.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:15 a.m.

What he has done with the homestead tax credit has largely hurt lower to middle class, especially elderly, who have owned homes for years. It's not unusual to pay $3-5 thousand a year in property taxes, and now there is no credit back for many. Many people depended on that tax credit And of course the SEC or taxable value is not what the home is actually worth in today's market, so it's a punishment for homeowners.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:46 a.m.

Although Governor Snyder and his Republican legislature has lowered the state tax rate from 4.35% to 4.25%, the elimination of credits and deductions will likely raise taxes for many lower and middle class Michigan taxpayers. Here is a list of some of the changes in Michigan tax law that will impact many tax paying citizens: -- Special exemptions for seniors are no longer allowed. -- The $600 exemption for children 18 and under is no longer allowed. -- Special exemption for unemployment compensation greater than 50% of adjusted gross income (AGI) is no longer allowed. -- Phases out certain pension and retirement income subtractions based on date of birth. -- The credit for city income taxes is no longer allowed. -- The credit for public contributions is no longer allowed. -- The credit for contributions to homeless shelters, food banks, and community foundations is no longer allowed. -- The credit for contributions to medical savings account is no longer allowed. -- The credit for automobile donations is no longer allowed. -- The credit for college tuition and fees is no longer allowed. -- Earned Income Tax Credit is reduced from 20% to 6%. -- Multiple changes to the homestead property tax credit. (from:,4676,7-238--260229--,00.html) -- Special exemptions for seniors are no longer allowed.


Tue, May 7, 2013 : 3:13 a.m.

Don Bee Joe Nuke is correct and you are wrong. Michigan state tax begins with the Federal AGI - Adjusted GROSS Income. That is the last line on the front of the tax form. While several things are deducted on the front of the form, most of the items that most people think of when talking federal deductions are taken on the BACK of the federal form (mortgage interest, charitable donations, property taxes among others). Therefore any deductions you take on the back of the tax form are NOT reflected in your state taxes, unless the state specifically allows them also on the state additions/subtractions form.

Jay Thomas

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:29 p.m.

Any kind deduction for city or state income taxes is just a reward to liberals who vote to have them in the first place. It shifts part of their tax burden unto everyone else. States like CA and cities like NYC end up not "paying their fair share" while the rest of us subsidize their profligate spending habits. Biggest scam ever. There shouldn't even be a state EITC. Just more vote buying at the expense of the state's fiscal health.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 6:03 p.m.

Joe Nuke - Your AGI already includes most of the items listed above, the adjustments have been made at the federal level, why should the state allow some charities to get an extra deduction at the state tax level for instance? Veracity - Why should someone who has a 401K have to pay state income tax and someone who has a pension from GM not have to pay state income tax? That is the question I would like the answer to, what makes a pension from any source something that should be treated differently by the state from a 401K from any source?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:41 p.m.

Veracity: Why should the source of income determine its taxation? Why should pensions not be taxed while IRA and 401k distributions (for people without pensions) are taxed? Why exclude unemployment income from taxation if the recipient has other significant income? Furthermore, is it smart to have credits for contributions (that tend to benefit wealthy taxpayers) while the state continues to cut services like education?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:27 p.m.

DonBee: Michigan tax uses Federal adjusted gross income (AGI). It does not directly consider any Federal deductions. For example, the amount of charitable deductions taken on Federal Schedule A has no impact on AGI used for State calculation.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:25 a.m.

BernieP -- define fair share. thinker - I would not want to charge taxes to those with incomes so low that they are not asked to pay any taxes. DonBee - Items that justify exclusion from taxation by the federal and state governments do not deserve to be taxed and I would not describe the mutual exclusion as double dipping. What I described are changes to Michigan tax law only and make no reference to federal taxation. For some Michigan citizens the increase in state tax payments could be a burden.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:53 a.m.

Veracity - These are adjustments to your Federal income level that were over and above the deductions allowed at the federal level. Much of this simplified the tax code. If you can deduct college tuition at the federal level, it counts at the state level (Turbo Tax does it automatically for you). In many cases the Federal rules had changed making many of these "double dips" when you took the Federal deduction and then the state deduction on top of it. Yes for some people it was a tax increase. Most of that was for a small one. If you took a charitable donation at the Federal level for a car donation and had the right paperwork, then your adjusted federal income carried over to the state level - BUT you could not take an additional donation, same for public radio and other charities. They did not go away, you just could not double dip anymore. No favorites anymore in terms of charities. The Red Cross and United Way both were in favor of this. The Federal Earned Income Credit stayed the same and it is by far the larger amount, again the state took away the double dip.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:02 a.m.

Lower income residents don't even pay taxes!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:57 a.m.

Aren't we ALL to pay our fair share?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:22 a.m.

so was Bush/Cheney and look at what that got us, 2 unfunded war on borrowed money to the tune of over 3 trillion dollars, 2 trillion in tax cuts to the rich to create JOBS!


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 1:57 a.m.

The conservative 47%ers.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:26 a.m.

Must be driving certain folks crazy. New Washington Post Poll: Bush favorable rating 47%, Obama's 52%.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:16 p.m.

@ goose: Credit where credit is due (or lack there of)


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:59 p.m.

Unbelievable, still trying to associate everything with Bush.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:42 p.m.

Mike you do have credible facts to support your claims, don't you. Not sure what is going on with A2com must be a slow news day.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:23 p.m.

This letter is based on a myth that is perpetrated by people who refuse to read or listen to the reality of what happened. The $1.8 billion dollar tax change was aimed at SMALL business, more than 900,000 of them in Michigan. The average small business saw a $3,000 tax cut. The large businesses, Ford, GM, Chrysler, Meijer, and others have all indicated in their annual reports and SEC filings, as well as press releases that they ended up paying MORE state taxes. The increase was more than expected in the original budgeting and so the total amount should be made up in 3 to 4 years when hundreds of special deals offered by Governor Granholm expire and the companies start paying their full tax rates. More importantly to all of us, the taxes are no longer under dispute, because the new law is simpler. So millions of dollars that might have been delayed now flow to the state treasury quickly, reducing the cost of state audits and tax collection. Big business pays more and pays it more quickly. The state no longer double taxes small business and that helps them grow. Next Myth please?


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 1:39 a.m.

Do not confuse the residents of OZ with facts. They cry.


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 12:59 a.m.

@alan: Let's take DonBee's plumber friend as an example of the problem of the tax. Say the plumber is doing a fair number of projects and purchases plumbing supplies that he then resells at cost to the person for whom he is working. At a certain point he ends up losing money because although his net profit is zero, he had to pay taxes on the gross receipts - not his actual profit.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 5:59 p.m.

alan - According to 2 accountants and my neighbors, your information is suspect. Can you provide a link to the reference you are using? The neighbors own small businesses, one of which was a 1 person plumbing business, until this change happened, now it is a 3 person plumbing business. He showed me stacks of tax forms for the state that he filed over the last decade. He was relieved to not have to file anymore. So either he and the other neighbor went to a huge amount of unneeded work or... So a link please?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 4:52 p.m.

With the increase in my taxes I no longer go into many small business anymore so where is their gain. Many small businesses have things I don't need. I may want them, but don't need them.

Nicholas Urfe

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:46 p.m.

Those "small" businesses are still making a lot more profit than the working class folks who had their taxes raised to subsidize them.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:17 p.m.

No Don, the myth is about "small businesses". Yes, the MBT looked like the rules were invented by a 12 year old but only businesses with gross receipts over $350K were even required to file and the tax was essentially 0.8% of net and the deductions included the owners pay. The overwhelming number of small businesses were never required to file. 78% of all businesses in the US consist of one person, they don't employ anyone. Over 90% employ less than 4 people. Regardless of your policy opinion, the statistics are freely available to anyone who cares to look. Try It's a myth that small businesses employ people. It's a myth that taxes are a burden on small businesses because they usually don't pay them. The loss in revenue came from tax breaks to large businesses, not the corner store.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 11:16 a.m.

Next myth: The $1.8 billion business "tax change" was not funded on the backs of workers, public education, seniors, municipalities, the middle class and through sneaky behind-the-back tax increases.............


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:28 a.m.

@a2citizen: Got me there - but the exception proves the rule, right?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:41 a.m.

1bit: actually, I once had a seven course meal and a bottle of wine in the middle of the ocean with no problems. Gotta love them cruise ships.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:12 a.m.

@US: Nope. Stomach cramps won't drown you. Eating draws blood to your digestive system and you won't feel great eating a huge meal then trying to do strenuous exercise. But if you have dinner and go in the pool, you'll be fine. If you have a 7-course meal and are then dropped in the middle of a lake, then you've got problems.

Usual Suspect

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:55 a.m.

Actually, yes, athletic activity can after eating can lead to cramps. But it is not caused by swimming. The point is that if it happens while you're running around a soccer field, is not such a big deal. If it happens when you're in deep water, it can be deadly.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:51 p.m.

@DonBee: If only we had the ability to make your post a permanent "sticky" whenever this topic comes about. @Homeland: If you swim after eating you will get stomach cramps and drown.

Homeland Conspiracy

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:32 p.m.

If you go outside with wet hair you will get a cold


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:20 p.m.

January 25, 2006: "... In five years, you're going to be blown away..."


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:26 a.m.

Signed, Jennifer Granholm. Government that governs least governs best.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:14 p.m.

" he could give $1.8 billion in tax breaks to big corporations." For the 1.8 billionth time, this is not what happened. Stopping double taxation on small business owners was what happened. It doesn't matter how many time posts a Letter to the Editor or Opinion article, it doesn't change the facts. And I will write this comment every single time.


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 10:59 a.m.

@Ghost: Again, more contradiction without support of your opinion. The economy is not so easily parceled out as you would like it to be. Jobs beget jobs. When one sector improves, so do others which recursively help each other. Fixing the MBT was necessary for fairness not job creation. Nevertheless, retreading the "tax cuts don't generate jobs" line is fine but tax increases don't generate jobs either. And if there is one thing that Republicans and Democrats agree upon, it is that small businesses drive job growth. I won't patronize you with the list of how many times Obama has said it.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 11:22 a.m.

If we KNOW that small businesses are the great job creators, it ought be easy to show that the unemployment rate dropped due to that sector of the economy. And if we KNOW that tax cuts lead to job creation, it ought be easy to show that tax cuts led to the state's decline in unemployment. And, it ought be easy to show that those tax cuts led to substantial job creation in small businesses. The data exists, believe me. Feel free to fish through the monthly data compiled by the Department of Labor. You'll find it. And that the governor and his minions have not trumpeted that data tells me that the numbers show quite the opposite of what you wish were true. And it's just that simple. You're wishing something were true. You're assuming facts not in evidence. Argument by inference is apparently fine with you. Fair enough. I like facts before I draw my conclusions. And I'm sorry if you don't know what a fact is. Can't help you there. Michigan Radio just reported that the vast majority of the state's job creation has happened in the manufacturing economy. I wonder how many 1-, 2-, and 3-worker factories there are in this state. GN&GL


Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 10:22 a.m.

@Ghost: What facts do you cite? You offer only contradiction and while that style may impress high schoolers in Debate 101, it does nothing to further your point. You mince words by taking a single sentence and ignoring context or other statements made. As you are well aware, the economy is complex and a one-to-one job correlation with any policy is nearly impossible to ascertain. Likewise, it is nearly impossible to disprove. Policies that support small businesses, and particularly startups, seem to be the most valuable in job creation. Large public works projects, like building new bridges along important trade routes, are also job creators. Where are the jobs? Okay, I cited the unemployment rate being lower. Those are the jobs. We agreed about the auto recovery helping the recovery but not every job recovered was from the auto industry. There are circular and cascading effects that feed the economy, which has improved by almost every metric here in Michigan as I cited above.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Fri, Apr 26, 2013 : 2:29 a.m.

@1bit: If citing facts and quoting sources to refute unsupported assertions is "mincing words," you are correct. I mince words. But, since you now have come around to my original point, I shall once again ask my original question: How many jobs did the $1.8 billion giveaway create? After all, if it is so demonstrably obvious that tax cuts create jobs, and that small businesses are the great job creators, it ought be easy for the Governor an his minions to tell us what those tax cuts accomplished. GN&GL


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 10:25 p.m.

@asterish: You do realize that most small businesses are owned by those firmly entrenched in the middle class? You do realize that, contrary to the mantra, not all businesses are evil? @Ghost: I'd forgotten your penchant for mincing words. Again, I'll point out the fact that most jobs are created by small businesses and relieving small businesses of double taxation is indeed a sound strategy in the effort of job creation. GWB had many flaws but he did this country a service by starting the auto rescue and, as would be expected of any lame duck President, did enough to try to stabilize the problem without tying the hands of the incoming President.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 4:44 p.m.

I can only conclude, based on the dislikes of what are purely factual statements, that there those who dislike reality.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:23 p.m.

And one other thing: Yes, GWB tapped TARP for the first auto bailout. It was a pidly sum of money meant to kick the can down the road. Doing more would have accelerated the splintering of the Republican Party into the ever-smaller sane faction and into the ever-growing insane faction. But doing less would have meant he would have been blamed for its collapse and doing little or nothing to stop it. So he kicked the can down the road to let the next guy fix the problem and take the heat. A tremendous profile in courage, that guy. GN&GL

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:33 p.m.

@1bit: You can believe whatever you want, but it was justified as a way to attract businesses to the state. "Republican Gov. Rick Snyder proposed the changes. He says eliminating the Michigan Business Tax and replacing it with a 6 percent income tax on large corporations with shareholders is key to encouraging businesses to add jobs in a state with a 10.3 percent unemployment rate." In: GN&GL


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:28 p.m.

@1bit I read Mr. Davis' premise to be that Gov. Snyder favored businesses over families by increasing taxes on the later to decrease them for the former. I don't think misstating the size of the businesses negates his point.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 10:43 a.m.

@asterish: The entire premise of the letter is that Gov. Snyder is only for "big corporations". The justification is the purported gift he gave them in the form of a tax cut, which is false. So the "inaccuracy" defeats the argument completely. Other arguments can be made against the Snyder administration and GOP legislature, and I've made them myself before, but this is not one of them. @ERMG: We disagree on the justification for the tax break: it was done to correct a longstanding and well-known flaw in the MBT as well as to help small businesses, which account for two thirds of net new jobs. Not all small businesses are equal in job creation and that is a separate matter. We also disagree that this was a "giveaway" rather than the more apt correction of a "takeaway". As I noted to David above we do agree on the ultimate cause of Michigan's current improved economy, namely the recovery of the auto industry. The federal bailouts helped but, as the hated GWB got the process started, it is a stretch to give Obama full credit. What was done to save the auto industry will be studied for decades to come.

Edward R Murrow's Ghost

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 4:59 a.m.

Whomever received the tax holiday/giveaway is beside the point. It was justified as a way to bring more jobs to Michigan. So I want to know: how many jobs did this $1.8 billion/year giveaway create? And FYI: to the degree that the state's job picture has improved in the last two years, it is mostly due to the auto industry's rebound, and it did not benefit from this tax break. It survives today due to the president's actions. So, thanks, Mr. President, for helping to turn around the state's economy. The Nerd sure as proven unable to do it. GN&GL


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 2:46 a.m.

So, you are saying the only inaccuracy in the letter is calling the companies that received a lower tax rate large instead of small?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1:07 a.m.

@Susie: Not everybody is better, no doubt. But the economy is not judged on its parts but on its whole. The unemployment rate was 13.9% in January 2010 and is currently 8.5%. Tax revenues (and revenue to debt ratio) are up, and the rainy day fund actually has money in it (the most in a decade). @A2M3: That is a valid criticism of the budgetary policies/priorities of Gov. Snyder and the legislature. Fixing the MBT didn't have to happen in the way that it did.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:40 a.m.

So give me back my $680 tax credit, I could/would have used to stimulate the local economy. Why relieve business on the backs of the middle class and fixed-income seniors???

Susie Q

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:31 a.m.

Actually, the statement " the economy is certainly better in Michigan than when Gov. Snyder took office" might be true for certain citizens in Michigan; but for many of us, the economy is not better than it was in 2010. Many people are taking home less in their paychecks and paying out much more in taxes, energy costs, health care, etc. Snyder's policies have benefited some, but certainly not most.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:46 p.m.

C'mon, David, you're better than that. You know perfectly well that the 1.8 billion fix in the MBT didn't go to "big corporations". There's plenty to debate about Gov. Snyder's performance without resorting to misleading or false statements. Debate right to work, or the helmet law, or EFM law or his failure to check the crazy wing of the GOP. As for your questions, the economy is certainly better in Michigan than when Gov. Snyder took office. That is mostly from the automotive industry recovery rather than any Lansing policy. But the fact is things are better, unemployment is down and Michigan is out of recession.

David Briegel

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 11:19 p.m.

Have the citizens of Michigan benefited from his largesse? Where are the promised jobs? Where is the Michigan/Snyder recovery? Where are your facts?


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 10:57 p.m.

It is hard to talk about making sacrifices when your family hasn't had to make any REAL sacrifices (ie, do we buy groceries, fix the car, or pay the electric bill this week) at least in the last 15 years... maybe ever... Businessmen do not belong in government. The chief purpose of a business is to make money. The chief purpose of government is to provide a service to the people. There's a conflict, there.

John S. Armbruster

Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 3:37 p.m.

There is something seriously wrong with your reasoning. Give me a businessman or women over professional politicians and lawyers any day of the week. You appear to believe that taking money from one group of people to give it to another group is the way to go. Sorry, I don't support socialism. I don't agree with everything Snyder has done but it is a great improvement over his pathetic predecessor. Remember "Cool Cities"? How about forcing people into unions like SEIU? Spending tobacco settlement money on virtually everything but what it was intended for. Let's not forget her doing the same thing with stimulus funds too.


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 10:59 a.m.

Ha ha ha! Have you ever worked in Govt? Yeah, didn't think so. People from the biz world get things done, if they don't, they get fired or their biz closes. Not so in Govt! just keep borrowing more and failing... thanks for the laugh.


Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 10:46 p.m.

Whatever happened to this 'business' man's company, Gateway? Sold off in pieces? Sold to China? How many jobs were 'created' by this 'job creator' by that action and where are they?


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 1 p.m.

Yep...he's good at creating jobs. Just not in this country ala Romney style corporate raider!


Thu, Apr 25, 2013 : 12:44 p.m.

Seems to be a selective rehash of old issues rather than a critique of Snyder's performance as governor.

Mr. Ed

Wed, Apr 24, 2013 : 10:37 p.m.

I agree


Sat, Apr 27, 2013 : 10:11 p.m.

Hard to argue with that.