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Posted on Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:59 a.m.

250 Pioneer High School students participated in senior prank that led to 31 suspensions

By Kyle Feldscher

About 250 Pioneer High School students disregarded school warnings and participated in the annual scavenger hunt last week that resulted in vandalism, about $2,800 in damage to two rival Ann Arbor high schools and 31 suspensions.

District spokesperson Liz Margolis said Friday that about 250 kids participated in the scavenger hunt, where teams of students complete items on a list to accumulate the most number of points.

Some of the items on this year’s list included defecating on athletic fields at Skyline and Huron High Schools, spray painting the letter P on athletic fields and cutting the tennis nets at Huron, Margolis said.


Pioneer High School

Photo by Wikimedia Commons user Dwight Burdette

Margolis said the activities on the scavenger hunt list are “sometimes harmless, sometimes not so harmless and sometimes go over the top," and most students chose not to participate in activities that damaged school property.

On Thursday, district officials confirmed they'd punished 31 students. The students were suspended for five days, forced to pay $90 each in restitution, must perform 10 hours of community service at Pioneer and cannot attend the senior all-night party. They will, however, still be allowed to walk in the graduation ceremony.

“Any community with rival high schools is going to have some of that action and it’s unacceptable, so that’s why the school had to act on it,” Margolis said.

At least one member of the Pioneer community has issues with how the students were treated.

Michelle Kaucheck, a former Pioneer parent who has family friends among those suspended, said she went with one of the suspended students to Pioneer for moral support as she attempted to ask for her statement back.

Kaucheck said principal Michael White told the student he could not give the original statement back, but would give her a copy. When the student repeated she wanted the original copy, Kaucheck said White became “very, very angry.”

“He said, 'I can suspend you right now if you push this or you can wait until tomorrow when you have a chance to say good bye to your friends,'” Kaucheck said, adding that she had been told by multiple students had told her they didn’t feel they had any other choice but to confess when they were questioned by White and other school officials.

Margolis said school officials were very firm with the students while they were being questioned about the scavenger hunt.

She said White told them police wanted their names and wanted to prosecute them, but did not threaten them with any legal action.

“I’m sure it wasn’t a pleasant situation for the kids,” Margolis said. “This was very serious for the kids and I know administrators were very firm.”

Kaucheck said she believed the students who participated in the vandalism absolutely should have been punished. However, she simply isn’t sure the district got the right students, saying many of the kids who are now being forced to pay restitution for damage didn’t cause any of it.

Margolis said each student was interviewed individually and she had not heard of any student attempting to rescind their confession or statements to school administrators.

The suspensions were based on district precedent and Pioneer officials properly followed district policy, Margolis said. She said administrators from Pioneer and district officials at the Balas Administration Building had been meeting with parents throughout the day Thursday and Friday.

Margolis said she hadn’t heard of any other senior pranks planned by students for this school year. She said officials at Huron spoke with many student athletes after the decision was made on the Pioneer students to discourage any potential pranks they might be planning.

She said White had been making announcements frequently that the scavenger hunt should not be planned or take place this year.

“Mr. White was making announcements every day that this is unacceptable,” Margolis said, adding that he had made such an announcement the day the scavenger hunt occurred.

Kyle Feldscher covers K-12 education for He can be reached at or you can follow him on Twitter.


Bonita Applebum

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 10:10 p.m.

They just know how to have fun. "People try to put us down, talkin' about our generation."


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 11:12 p.m.

The term "Bonita Applebum" (sic) is used to refer to a woman whose quest it is to make guys feel like men. It is taken from a 1993 rap song. Source: Urban Dictionary


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 8:49 p.m.



Tue, May 17, 2011 : 3:29 p.m.

Apostrophe is in the wrong place, but that's all right you have time to learn.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:48 a.m.

One of the goals of our criminal justice system is the deterrent factor. I believe that the filing of criminal charges against those against whom probable cause exists that a crime has been committed by that them should be done forthwith by the City Attorney. Those that are convicted should receive hefty fines and court costs as well as community service. The most egregious offenders should get 30 days in the Washtenaw County Jail and their names reported in local newspapers. This type of response by the city would ensure that this "tradition" ends forthwith. Future senior classes would realize that such conduct is not worth the risk of the severe punishment that could result. Think about it.

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 8:39 p.m.

Charges should never be filed based solely on the existence of probable cause. They may be, of course, but an ethical prosecutor won't file charges unless they're sure of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. By the way, what city ordinance would you charge them under, that allows for 30 days imprisonment for conduct that you know has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and which individuals engaged in that conduct?


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 5:59 p.m.

You're really into "forthwith".

Randle Patrick

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 11:24 p.m.

honestlly, all you grownups just disgust me. These kids did not commit murder or acts of treason. They took a steamer on a field or vandalized tennis nets, and are getting punished accordingly. Does one night of bad decisions characterize them as bad kids? No. I would be willing to bet that a lot of the people who are calling for these adolescents heads are from the generation that swore to "never get old" and probably did much worse crimes than this. So please don't act like you are so much better than these teenagers. Secondly, why is it that our community cares so much more about 31 kids getting in trouble than it does about the budget cuts for the AAPS next year. If there were 259 comments about the school system, it might not be as in debt. Seriously adults, there are a lot bigger fish to fry than your thoughts on ways kids should be punished. Act your age, and forgive the kids instead of ostracizing them like they are serial killers.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:40 a.m.

As a deterrent to future conduct some should have been prosecuted and sentenced to jail.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 11:19 p.m.

Regardless of whether all offending students heard the announcements from Principal White reminding them to use good judgement, etc., is it really a good argument from them that if they didn't hear clear directives not to do stupid things, it is somehow OK for them to do the crazy stuff they did? Give me a break. These are not children, strictly speaking, although their actions speak to the contrary.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 11:35 p.m.

I never said there should be no punishment or it makes any of the acts ok. I was saying that there were no repeated announcements. I asked around again and no one heard them. I'm just saying that one of your points is extremely questionable.

Jon Saalberg

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 11 p.m.

@Freight Train: "The students I have taught that get busted for stuff like this usually have some correlative behavior that manifests itself as cheating/plagiarism, stealing or other dishonest behavior." I do not agree with this statement - am I to understand you believe only students who get caught are bad kids? I would argue they are just unfortunate, and perhaps unlucky in their proximity to Ann Arbor's finest at the time of the particular deeds. I know many kids who have actually grown up to be fine, upstanding adults, and they perpetrated some dumb things in their collective high school careers. What they all have in common is that they were never caught doing any of their misdeeds. I would gladly read any studies that support your assertion.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 10:59 p.m.

I hope they brought toilet paper with them.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 8:43 p.m.

I am also a parent of a student who was suspended and I agree with many of the points raised in the comment by "dutch." To the best of my knowledge punishment has been doled out inconsistently, and the students were told one thing at the time of their confessions, and afterward, while different actions have subsequently been taken. Neither the students nor the parents have been fully informed about the criteria that were used to decide who would and who would not be punished. Critically, there appears to have been something inconsistent and maybe even arbitrary, in the way this has been handled. Unfortunately, this inconsistency has undermined the deeper lessons. Nevertheless, my child has accepted the consequences, and understands that apologies are in order and that such poor judgment and destructive acts deserve penalties. This is an unhappy way to end high school, but it has become even more unpleasant because of the perceived unfairness in how it was handled. I realize that life is not always fair, and that is also an important lesson to be learned, but a good faith effort to clarify the decision making process would be welcome. Clearly the whole affair has been an unfortunate situation for the PHS administration to deal with, and I realize with such a large scale problem it can be especially challenging to contend with so many voices, potentially differing accounts, and strong emotions. My thanks to Mr. White and his staff for their efforts to deal effectively with this situation. Perhaps the affected students and their parents can be further informed about the way the matter has been handled and how decisions were made, so that we can clear the air and move forward to truly celebrate the completion of high school by all members of the class of 2011.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:31 a.m.

If you have a problem with the discipline doled out, exhaust all necessary legal channels to ensure that you child's rights have not been abridged. I strongly support not only stern disciplinary action but also criminal charges against those who have violated the laws of the City of Ann Arbor.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:29 p.m.

I am the parent of a child that was suspended and would like to clarify some of the misinformation. First, my child did not commit any vandalism but was on school property when others did and we agreed he should be punished. We were originally told that approximately 100 students were involved and all would receive the same punishment. We were also told that if one team member committed vandalism that entire team would be punished. We were informed by our child on Thursday of the punishment. We thought it was harsh but if all the guilty parties received the same punishment, then, it was fair. Imagine our surprise when we read in the Chicago Tribune that only 31 of the 100 students were punished. Not all of my child's team members were punished even though they were all explicitly named in the confessions they were required to write. When I questioned my child about this, I was told that the unpunished student was not the "type" to be punished. He also stated that one of the teams received no punishment even though they had damaged nets. So, do the math - six Huron nets were damaged, five student per team..Do you think all of the responsible students were punished? The response from the Pioneer administrators to our questions consisted of claims of still working on this, no knowledge (refer to written confessions) and we don't have any proof. Regarding the last excuse, many students were convicted based on what other students said they did. So, I am not sure why due process applies to some and not others. It seems to me this could have been a learning experience. Instead of harshly punishing a select few, perhaps all could have participated in correcting the wrong (i.e., retribuition and community service). Student who truly felt they were not guilty could certainly appeal. So, here is what my child learned: I overheard him talking to another punished student and said "we should have just lied"


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 9:17 p.m.

Harsh ? 10 hours of community service and $90?!


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:27 a.m.

I am happy your child was suspended and wish that the City Attorney would bring criminal charges against all parties that are found after diligent investigation to have broken the law. Examples need to be made of offenders so that such aberrant behavior will not recur. This is called "deterrence".


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:13 p.m.

The poster "therealdeal" is apparently one of the many Pioneer kids who are too busy on their cellphones, or otherwise self absorbed during the school day to take in what is happening around them. Mr. White most assuredly did take time to speak to the school regarding inappropriate pranks and other activities which often occur at this time of the school year. I suggest unplugging your ears and pocketing the cell phones, my young friend!


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:14 p.m.

Why no that's not me. Thank you for trying to stereotype me though. Either Mr. White didn't make these alleged announcements or there was a communication problem because I guarantee you I would have heard the announcement at least once if it was repeatedly said or one of my friends would have heard it. I've asked some of the other suspended students and they didn't hear any of these announcements.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:37 p.m.

real simple folks, a message to the social elite who think "not my child", YES your child!! and the reason your child acted the way they did, is because YOU act the way YOU do.

Mike Doohickey

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 9:14 p.m.

Here we go again...let's turn the 'children' into victims. Hey parents, there really is such a thing as common sense and there IS a difference between right and wrong. Maybe the parents need to unplug their ears and pocket the cell phones for a few minutes a day instead of playing defense attorney.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:14 a.m.

I got suspended. I made a mistake and deserve and accept the punishment that i got. I think the school handled it pretty well. I would also like to point out that we arent criminals or future menaces to society, as some commenters say, just people that made a mistake and are being punished for it.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:34 a.m.

I would support the filing of criminal charges against you to the extent the law of the City of Ann Arbor may have been violated by you. Punishment against you is a deterrent for not only you and you cohorts but for future seniors who may be thinking about emulating such obnoxious behavior.

Kai Petainen

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 12:46 a.m.

I used your comment at the very end of my blog. your comment shows leadership and although i don't know you, or your situation, i wish you the best.... here's my blog (scroll to the bottom) <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:12 p.m.

If your classmates and their parents had been as willing as you to accept punishment, they wouldn't have come off as the total tools they did. People are reacting to the inability to accept responsibility and sense of entitlement displayed by those students and parents.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:46 p.m.

a2resa2 I have looked over all of your comments on this subject and found them to be very consistent. I applaud your attitude and acceptance of the punishment. I agree that some of the comments trying to paint the students as future criminals were over the top. This was not as serious as some would like us to believe nor was it as innocent as some would have us believe. The point I tried to get across in previous post was the punishment seems fairly benign to me. What will the 5 day suspension really mean in terms of consequences for you? As stated before I would have preferred EXTRA time in school writing essays on the subject. If more of those suspended had your attitude everyone would have moved past this sooner. Best of Luck to You!


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 12:56 p.m.

Thank you for posting your apology... just make it life lesson, enough said.

Kai Petainen

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:42 a.m.

i believe in forgiveness. and what you said is perhaps one of the best things that i've heard anyone say on this board. say sorry, accept the consequences, learn from it, move on and be better than that which you were. push yourself and others to live a better life. honesty and humbleness are admirable qualities. (but if i was to be cynical... and you go into politics... they rarely say they're sorry or admit any wrongdoing)

Kai Petainen

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:51 a.m.

When pranks turn from being pranks to national news, is that still a funny prank?

Bonita Applebum

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 10:12 p.m.

People are murdered every day, An


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:09 a.m.

@therealdeal as one of the students that was suspended, i was treated fine, not sure what youre talking about


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 5:42 a.m.

When a prank makes national news its a slow news day. If you knew how the suspended were treated, that could be national news.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:12 a.m.

As a PHS employee I can state for a fact that Mr. White, in P.A. announcements, several times warned the student body not to engage in illegal and dangerous activities as the school year draws to an end. He asked them to not let their judgement lapse and be drawn into behavior they knew was wrong. Granted, a lot of kids don't listen to any school announcements, or take them seriously, but one must credit Principal White with making a consistent, repeated effort to try to get it into these kids heads that they should practice good judgement and not do something dumb that could screw up the end of their Senior year and possibly impact their future negatively. Guess it's the old &quot;you can lead a horse to water........&quot;


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:06 p.m.

Who ever said that? There were no announcements made. We are simply saying that that fact is wrong.

Freight Train

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:37 p.m.

so, @ the real deal and a2resa2: so it's okay because you claim there was no disclaimer? too much reality court tv and not enough reality.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:03 a.m.

me too @therealdeal


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 5:13 a.m.

As a pioneer student, believe me I would have heard these alleged constant warnings. They were nonexistent. However he took the time to get someone to tell us not to huff Dust Off on prom. Nothing was ever said about the scavenger hunt.

Suit Hing Moy-Sandusky

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 3:38 a.m.

As a parent of a graduating senior, I am thankful that my child will no longer be subjected to this type of master discipline from a drill sergeant. Yes, I have had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of one of Mr. White's decisions which resulted in a 2 week suspension which was reduced to one after I discussed and prepared by child to defend herself against accusations and coercive tactics applied to affirm the suspension. As a parent, it is my responsibility to discipline and teach my children about their rights and also encourage them to be mature enough to make the right decisions and accept the punishment when they are wrong. What is troubling with this incident is the familiarity with how the facts seem to be presented, "10 or the 31 students were heavily involved" and the rest of the suspended students were either on the schools' property after driving the mischief-makers to the locations or were in the cars, which the district considered trespassing and grounds for suspension, Margolis said." We as parents (and I commend those who stepped forward) need to question whether their rights were violated when they were being questioned about the incident? Where the students coerced into admitting their participation? Let this be an opportunity for parents to become more involved with how these decisions are made and interview the kids and the parents to get a fair and equitable dialogue on how this decision was made regarding the fines, punishment and lessons learned. Congratulations to all the seniors and the best of luck in your future endeavors.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:23 a.m.

The seniors who engaged in criminal behavior hould be prosecuted in a court of law and face sentencing before a District Court judge. I do not find this conduct to be innocent and any concerns you have about students being &quot;coerced into admiting their participation&quot; can be taken up with the judge in the case. I strongly believe in vigorous crimninal prosecution to be a deterrent to not only future behavior for offenders but to the underclassmen who are considering undertaking such acts in the future.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:55 a.m.

We have gone way too easy on the student population. It is a shame students of Pioneers High School feels they have to do something to other schools that they are superiors to other schools. The board of education of Michigan having such a hard time with the recent cuts all across the board, we do not need any waste this time or any other. I'd say make them pay for all the distraction and some community work. And for all the people are objecting the penalty, I'll tell them to teach some responsibly to your children. There should be no tolerance. We the tax payers would feel good about it if they have learned their lessons. We deserve better attitude from our beloved kids.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:35 a.m.

Criminal charges need to be filed by the City Attorney to make examples of the violators.

Cendra Lynn

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:30 a.m.

Anger has no place in education. Hearing that the principal got angry with a student makes me wonder about the whole system. Adult anger is very frightening to children. Decades of study have shown punishment does not teach nor does it deter future similar behavior. If the adults cannot control themselves, I don't want them trying to educate our children. Clearly Pioneer's adults are out of control with the obvious results with the students. This is why my eldest daughter helped found alternative education here in A2 and why my youngest was never allowed to even visit a public school. Thanks to home schooling and many adults who behaved as adults, she finished high school and went on to win awards and honors at college. What is really sad is reading comments that indicate total lack of sympathy for the children and sadistic delight that students are getting &quot;a wakeup call.&quot;


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 3:20 a.m.

I believe that moral accountability is needed via criminal prosecution. I also believe criminal prosecution, including jail for the most serious offenders in thhis drama is appropriate.

Freight Train

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:29 p.m.

Cendra, Anger is a human emotion. Of course working to minimize it should be one of life's ambitions. I work in a high school. When you witness kids that do very mean/selfish things and then their parents turn around and defend them via denial or mitigating the act - it can make people angry. I have seen students steal ipods/laptops, deal drugs, threaten to punch students/teachers, vandalize the school, tease special ed students, etc. It makes me angry. I try my best to not allow my anger to be my primary emotion in these cases, but when the parents are not finding fault with the behavior, anger is an appropriate and natural by product.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 3:14 p.m.

Cendra, these are NOT children. Many are headed to colleges in and out-of-town. What is wrong with seeing an adult angry? That's LIFE and if your kids have never seen you angry about SOMETHING, you don't have enough emotions!


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:22 a.m.

Good thing these pampered rich kids didn't come to the streets of Ypsi and do this. Maybe there parents should get there taxes raised to even out the disparity of Ypsi and Ann Arbor and be equal creating more hope and change for my community which the privledged like to call the ghetto but what I call home.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:25 p.m.

Wooohooo, now this story is on the front page of I used this story to remind my young children that it's NEVER ok to destroy property, even if your friends are doing it. They kinda rolled their eyes at me, but it's obvious that parents must have to *specifically* teach kids not to do stuff like this. I also think all these arguments of &quot;oh well at least no one got hurt or killed&quot; are so lame. Really? So it's all good as long as no one dies? How about teaching the future of this country a little respect and self-control instead of enabling and rationalizing?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1 a.m.

it kind of rode in on the kid banned from his prom story. now that he can go to prom, this story jumped ahead.

Mike Doohickey

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:40 p.m.

This was picked up be Fox at 6:45. It also reminds me of the Bronner's vandals. Lotsa names and pictures...

Mike Doohickey

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:17 p.m.

Now it's National news...


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:16 p.m.

People get paid good money to do stupid stunts like this on MTV, Spike and TMZ. People post this stuff to youtube. It is outrageous that they punish kids for doing what they have been taught. Suspend the administrators of public schools for failing to teach public virtue and duty!!


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 11:13 p.m.

Please don't make me defend public school administrators.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 10:30 a.m.

Parents are allowed to teach what they want. Including criminal behavior. Sad, but it happens. I don't pay for parenting. I pay for a schools system.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:19 p.m.

What penalty should the parents receive for failure to teach public virture?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 9:50 p.m.

It has been stated that there were no announcements warning that the hunt was unacceptable. Can anyone verify that there were announcements made?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:07 a.m.

gild My question was in response to a comment by one of the students being punished that there was no announcement. I was just trying to find out if his word was as good as he ( the student ) says it is. I doubt it. And agree anyone that gets out of grade school school know this was unacceptable announcement or not..


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:29 a.m.

Who cares? School administrators shouldn't HAVE to make an announcement saying &quot;don't take a dump on the football field.&quot;


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:53 p.m.

@Aaron Rosano : You are right, I am sure. So, I am also sure that you will have no problems writing down these exploits on one of your college entrance essays. I mean, you are proud of it right? After seeing your attitude, I have really reversed my position on this. Yesterday, I was in your court. Today, I see that all the posters declaring the students spoiled entitled brats may have been correct.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 3:43 a.m.

WOOOOWWW. how does it feel to call kids names? and sink to a lower level? i hope you feel better about yourself, really glad you got that off your chest.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6 a.m.

again with the gouping all 31 in to one category and assuming theyre all the same

Barbara Clarke

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:32 p.m.

The students' behavior is pretty disappointing. One would expect better conduct from young people who are fortunate enough to attend an Ann Arbor high school. Yes, punishment is in order. School administration earned their salaries this week.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:22 p.m.

First of all, Mr. EyeHeartA2 or whatever...Its not a matter of whether or not my personal GPA affects my criminal status, its a matter of the fact that my GPA and high school status reflects that in societies eyes i am a &quot;good&quot; person. I continue to see comments that &quot;good&quot; kids wouldn't do stuff like this.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 10:31 a.m.

Define &quot;good.&quot;

Basic Bob

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:26 p.m.

GPA does not stand for Good Person Average. People that get good grades and do bad things are bad people.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 9:15 p.m.

A couple questions Aaron. Do you have any regrets about whatever part you had in the prank? If you do then would an apology be in order? If not then you have reinforced the position of some concerning spoiled brats.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 9:12 p.m.

I for one do not measure a persons GPA as a measure of whether they are good or bad. Gotta agree with eyeheart on this one. When you can't see out of the hole your in quit digging!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:16 p.m.

The scavenger hunt is done in teams, and if one person on a team was found to have done something bad, everyone on the team would be suspended. One team had 5 people suspended even though only 2 people participated in the vandalism.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:05 p.m.

I'm so sick of all this &quot;it's no big thing---kids will be kids&quot; commentary from overly indulgent Ann Arborites. In my day, though I'm an old poop, to be sure, these kids would have been suspended and their graduation would have been in doubt. We wonder when we have such a narcissistic society with a ghastly sense of entitlement. Judging from these comments -- and the accusations of &quot;self-righteousness&quot; of any who disagrees, we can easily see why. Actions have consequences; you'll never teach responsibility with simple proverbial &quot;slaps on the wrist with a wet noodle.&quot; No, don't ruin lives; but us this to teach persons to mature, rather than provide indulgent excuses for bad behavior.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 5:58 a.m.

there have been puishments, and those being punished have accepted them


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:40 p.m.

Excuse me, but I'm not an overly indulgent Ann Arborite. I'm a kid...and my friend decided to crap on a football field. Are you mad?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:53 p.m.

I think all of the students who are guilty but are staying quiet should turn themselves in on Monday.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:53 p.m.

Did those of you who feel it necessary to point out how rotten the 31 kids are and how enabling their parents are actually read the two articles written on the Pioneer suspension subject? 10 out of the 31 suspended were actually guilty of vandalism, the other 21 were guilty of trespassing. According to AAPS, that leaves another 219 students who didn't do anything. They have no actual proof of this, it really means nobody rolled over on those kids. The kids that are in trouble incriminated themselves while being questioned by their principle. The issue being brought forward by some of the parents is about the method with which these incriminating statements were taken. Multiple students have said that their principle is terrifying. Their statements were wrung out of them while they were being accused of lying and threatened with jail time. It appears that bullying is not tolerated for students but is not only tolerated but condoned for adminisration. Those of you who are so ready to protect the principle would feel very differently if your own child was the one who had been confined to the office, interrogated at length and then forced to write a statement. Threatening kids with jail without due process is illegal as are statements that have been coerced and written under duress. There is no such thing as accessory to vandalism. Adults have more rights in our legal system than these kids were afforded in their own school. What some of these students did is wrong and should be punished properly by the court system, not by a principle who has set himself up as judge and jury. The others are guilty only of stupidity as apparently are many in our community.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 3:42 a.m.

@Basic Bob - Police are less terrifying. Trust me


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:40 p.m.

Thank you for accurately summing up some of our concerns regarding how our children were treated. Yelling and threatening a child is not appropriate. Lying is also a problem. A child cannot be placed on the sex offenders registry for streaking. Demanding a child write a confession is a problem. Giving the written confession back to him because it is not acceptable and tellling him to write more is also a problem. Telling a child that they can't have their parent present during interrogation is also troubling. Punishing some offenders and not others is a problem.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:38 p.m.

If the principal can't get to the 'perfect' assignment of blame, then perhaps you'd prefer that *everyone* who participated in the scavenger hunt be made to pay...I think that would be fine, but doubtless there would be *such outrage* expressed by the parents at the school that he could never pull it off.

Basic Bob

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:19 p.m.

If they think the principal is terrifying, they need to be interviewed by the police! Come on, the statements were not coerced by waterboarding or the like.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:11 p.m.

Thank you.


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Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:31 p.m.

Heck, when I was in HS, the &quot;senior prank&quot; consisted of putting the school for sale in the newspaper-- i.e., &quot;indoor swimming pool, gym, outdoor tennis courts, plenty of parking, perfect for teens!&quot; and then the schools office number in the paper. Ah yes, it was a crazy morning for the secretary, but still, totally FUNNY and not at all destructive! Unfortunately, when I was teaching at the rival school, rats were let loose in the halls (gross to others and unfair to the rats), a bunch of crickets let loose in the hall, also gross. Come on--let's get a hold of these disgusting pranks. To me, the kids got off very easily. And the comments that these were &quot;good kids&quot; is a joke. A &quot;good kid&quot; KNOWS this was wrong.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:25 p.m.

And Brosano. He has that right. Take the time to learn your duties as a citizen before you get to voting age.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:23 p.m.

And Brosano illustrates what our kids have been taught. The whole public school system has failed. It needs to be repalced.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:39 p.m.

Do you honestly believe that? Do you also honestly believe that you can be the judge of what is &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot;? you are no better simply by making these judgements.

Gary Lillie

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:22 p.m.

To me, Michelle Kaucheck is one of the problems. The students were punished fairly, but an adult is trying to make the student feel like a victim. There is too much of that in this society. Too much disrespect, too. This country lost much in the 1960s - '70s with all of the anti-everything, destruction of property, mocking of anything with values and contempt for laws. What else would you expect from young people? They have been told that those days meant &quot;involvement,&quot; not lack of character. BTW - I did dumb things when I was younger and can't say I have been perfect since, but I learned that when you face the consequences, hard as it is to admit, there is nobody to blame but yourself. I also learned that one should never be too hard on oneself; we were not planned as perfect beings.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 3:01 a.m.

I agree 100%, Gary. And, Mr. White is doing great things at Pioneer. Just ask the faculty, staff, and MOST students and parents.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8 p.m.

If you would read, you would see that she did not say the kids shouldn't be punished, she said the students who actually did the crime should do the time. Providing moral support is a far cry from making a student feel like a victim. You are correct when you say we have lost respect. Being interrogated by your principle is probably not doing much to restore that.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:16 p.m.

IMPORTANT NOTICE.... sorry for the caps lock but as a student who got suspended for &quot;malicious acts of destruction&quot; against &quot;rival schools,&quot; i want to make something very clear to all of you who have absolutely no idea what actually went on. I see many comments like, &quot;250 kids participated and only 31 got suspended for destruction that must mean that 220 of of those kids were smart enough and good enough not to do those things.&quot; Get out your head dude. For real. Before you make judgments get your facts straight. First of all, most of the 31 kids that got suspended didn't do anything illegal. They were merely in the car when one of their stupid friends decided to go do something. Do you expect me to get out of the car and beat up my friend so he wont go poop on a field? No. And you wouldnt either. Or maybe you would suggest getting a cork for their butt...Hmmmm. I don't know how appealing that sounds. I would also like to mention that Mr. White never made a single announcement about the senior scavenger hunt. Even at this assembly we had that was supposed to be warning us about drinking before prom, they never mentioned a single word about the scavenger hunt. At least to my knowledge. And as a student with a 3.8 GPA who has never been in trouble with the school for his entire career there, i think my &quot;knowledge&quot; is pretty reasonable and trustworthy. In case any of you don't know, or fail to realize. About one fourth (which is one member of a group of four or five that were assigned for the hunt) of the kids who took part i the hunt decided to do something illegal to one of the &quot;rival high schools.&quot; They were not only the easiest pranks to conduct but they were also worth some of the most points on the list. In my panel of about 17 students that got called down to the office to be suspended, I could see and point out at least 10 who i know didn't do anything at all and i could also INSTANTLY find and point out about 150


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 3:40 a.m.

I completely agree, but people wont listen. theyll only believe what they want to


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 9:45 p.m.

&quot;"Mr. White was making announcements every day that this is unacceptable," Margolis said, adding that he had made such an announcement the day the scavenger hunt occurred.&quot; White *never* said anything about not participating in the senior scavenger hunt. And to be clear, it was a scavenger hunt, not senior pranks. Also, the number of students involved was definitely less than 200. Not close to 250. Doesn't media do a great job of skewing information?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:42 p.m.

Thank you for your perspective on this.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 9:07 p.m.

Aaron You said... &quot;I would also like to mention that Mr. White never made a single announcement about the senior scavenger hunt. Even at this assembly we had that was supposed to be warning us about drinking before prom, they never mentioned a single word about the scavenger hunt. At least to my knowledge. And as a student with a 3.8 GPA who has never been in trouble with the school for his entire career there, i think my &quot;knowledge&quot; is pretty reasonable and trustworthy. &quot; I expect to hear if anyone heard these alleged &quot;announcements&quot; and we will all know then just how &quot;trustworthy&quot; your knowledge is. Remember you were the one that that brought up your own trustworthiness. And I would not expect you to beat up your friend. Only to learn from this that there are times you need to ditch your friends when you know what they are doing is wrong. But then you did not say you thought anyone did anything wrong did you?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:09 p.m.

My senior year we swiped the Big Boy statue from in front of the Big Boy restaurant (this was before they started bolting them down) and dropped it into the deep end of the high school swimming pool. We got yelled at...but, none of this overreaction (It's on now...). Last summer, for our 40th high school reunion, we did the same thing (Getting the bolts undone was tough!). This time it was in the newspaper. But, no one got arrested.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6 p.m.

Funny. AND innocent! Both times around--


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:22 p.m.

For those who have said that turning this over to the police would automatically end in the courts are not aware of a Michigan law known as the juvenile diversion act. It allows the police to investigate but divert the offender into alternatives to the court system such as releasing the offender to their parents punishment. That would allow the professionals to interrogate but not result in arrests or courts.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:37 a.m.

The judge can give jail time; its his/her discretion.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:31 p.m.

Juvenile diversion is only for 16 and under. 17 and 18 year olds are adults. Ask the poor West Willow kids who get prison for weed. If only they were rich, white, Ann Arbor kids.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:01 p.m.

This is the way the vandalism should have been handled.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:57 p.m.

I think it's completely inappropriate for these students to participate in any graduation activities, not just the all-night party. They clearly do not respect the school or its officials, so why should they be allowed to stand up with all the students who didn't pull this stupid stunt?


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 2:38 a.m.

Some should be criminally prosecuted and incarcerated in the county jail for 30 days. This &quot;tradition&quot; would end quickly.

Jon Saalberg

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:25 p.m.

It's unfortunate that so many people have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. And it's unfortunate that so many have a &quot;holier than thou&quot; attitude about these events. These are NOT adults. They are kids. Why does our society perpetuate the idea that teenagers should be treated as adults, thought their decision making processes are hardly adult-like. As one intimately acquainted with the criminal justice system, the calls for harsh punishments are ludicrous - that is just what the Washtenaw County criminal justice needs - hundreds of trivial (compared to the majority of cases in the criminal justice system, these deeds are trivial) cases clogging up the courts. I fear this is the result of going to a school where plainclothes police routinely roust students - it creates an environment of presumed guilt and distrust, not one of learning. It's no wonder young people are cynical - they hear adults telling them to believe in &quot;the system&quot;, yet see it treat them with suspicion.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:51 p.m.

&quot;These are NOT adults. They are kids.&quot; I agree and I for one do not think they should be treated as criminals. BUT if we as adults do teach them this is unacceptable some day they are going to crap on the wrong person and they will get something more serious than a five day vacation from school!

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:40 p.m.

Wait, so these kids didn't learn that it's not cool to mess with other people's stuff or to crap on them and so on...because they were too filled with 'distrust' of the 'system' due to their negative experiences with plainclothes police? That's funny. I'd love for the most responsible kids to come forward and tell us about this lol. I offer the possibility that it's from an environment where such nasty acts are actually *celebrated* and very little to do with some sort of &quot;self-fulfilling prophecy&quot; about the &quot;system&quot;. And I think it's hard to argue *both* that c'mon, teenagers can't think straight *and* that somehow this is all about a reaction to the system which treats them with suspicion lol. They didn't TP the principal's house after all, they merely acted in that chest-beating self-aggrandizing way that frats can encourage and go mess with their cross-town 'rivals' and screw each other for dare-you cred and so on... They didn't deface stop signs with commentary about &quot;police brutality&quot; lol, they sprayed the signs with their logo, like they were male cats marking territory! It's nice for them though that people are willing to somehow chalk it up to how they're not being treated 'fairly', but this vibe that somehow they need defending against 'the man' is sorta enabling of silliness. I don't think too many people are arguing that they should be sent to the courts, just that they shouldn't be threatening to *sue* the schools for trying to get them to not be little jerks!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.

LOOK!! (I'm yelling at all of you!) No one died, No one was in a serious automobile accident. No one is severely-mildly permanently or temporarily injured. That is something to BE THANKFUL FOR. Everyone is alive... I am sorry, but I would rather have a HS senior who made a terrible mistake and is paying the consequences than a child in the hospital. Please put this in perspective, everybody and resume your lives...and be a little kinder to someone today.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:05 p.m.

So, the only alternatives are a car accident or vandalism? Really? My four-year-old knows better. I'm sorry your eighteen-year-old doesn't.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:45 p.m.

Look there is no need to yell. ( I am very calm) We have not No one has named anyone! No one has injured anyone! Just voicing our opinions on something that happened in OUR community. Which one of the little Einsteins is yours?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:41 p.m.

Townie, did you read my last remark? I am not overlooking this and the students are paying their dues. I am noting a potentially more grave outcome so as to put this in perspective. You are living in a very tiny world, Townie. Wake up. People living in glass houses should not throw stones.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:31 p.m.

A yell back -- this wasn't funny or a prank. Just stupid, destructive vandalism. I suspect it would be different if your house or car were damaged. We will not and should not overlook this kind of stuff or else next year there will simply be more of it ('let's outdo the Class of '11!). It appears you'd like us to just forget this and wait til next year.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:46 p.m.

This is an annual event for Pioneer students and if you think because of what happened this year it won't happen again next year your wrong! When I was in high school at Pioneer we did many illegal things during the senior scavenger hunt, so am I a criminal? No, I graduated from a distinguished university and now teach many of your children in Ann Arbor. Do I think they should quit the scavenger hunt? Nope! Keep it going, it's part of the tradition, they just can't get caught! I'd say hide it more from the staff, not everyone can know about it so far in advance. Thats how problems start. Defacing property at each others schools is also a tradition. A good one? probably not, a funny one? heck yeah! Huron will do the same darn thing to pioneer, heck huron will poop on their own cops car! Senior pranks will continue, at this point seniors don't care, they want to leave a legacy and let me tell you as a teacher this time a year all we do is talk about our favorite senior pranks and who did them. Saline had pranks yesterday and they will continue for the students last two weeks and yes there were even suspensions! Skyline juniors are already planning their pranks for next year realizing they have to make the first ones as big as is just giving them ideas. And those river rats will be at it shortly as well. I am sure not all 31 students suspended were involved and I feel for them. I've heard many things about Mr. White, I'm just glad he wasn't around when I was there. Seems like he's made the school a prison from what current students say. Yeah they should clean up what they did, but yes they should also be able to walk and probably even go to the all night party, the biggest reason being so they aren't out drinking and driving that night. People who think the police should be involved and the court system are out of line more than these seniors were!


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:54 a.m.

Wow....removed already? OK, let's try it again with the kid glove version. Defending this act because it is part of a ridiculous tradition doesn't seem to make much sense. Nor does it reflect well on the education system if this teacher really condones this act by comparing it to potentially worse criminal acts like drinking and driving. I just find this disturbing since many of us have been calling for the school board to act more responsibly to avoid teacher layoffs.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:54 a.m.

Oh wow . . . I'm a teacher at one of the big A2 high schools, and I'm totally embarrassed if you're actually on my staff. What a pile of enabling nonsense! People: please realize this person's dribble is NOT (thank goodness) a majority opinion in the high school teaching ranks!

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:14 p.m.

Well, a2love, you just didn't get caught, but you could have, and then you *would* have had a criminal record, potentially. I'm sorry to hear that you think this silly crap is funny, what a poor reflection on this town.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:05 p.m.

I don't believe for a minute that you are teacher anywhere. No doubt one of the childish kids trying to put a different spin on your own stupidity!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:32 p.m.

EyeHeartA2 - 100% agree with you.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:28 p.m.

So, as a teacher you feel it is OK to spend athletic budget on new tennis nets? I think Dottie might disagree. Does the school have extra money for this? or are you willing to pay for it? Next time I'll have to vote against the millage renewal. It seems there is still too much money being wasted, and it is OK with the staff, per your letter. Amazing.

average joe

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:18 p.m.

Gee, based on your comments you seem to be an &quot;enabler&quot; to this behavior, &amp; I hope you aren't teaching my kids.... I believe these students were warned enough of the results of their actions before hand. And is it the school's responsibility to make sure &quot;they aren't out drinking &amp; driving&quot;??


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:24 p.m.

Not all of the 31 students being punished took part in the illegal activities. Many of those 200+ not suspended did take part in the illegal activities. This does not seem right to me. Clearly, some students lied about their participation and have avoided the punishment. Mr. White and Mr. Hudson used bullying techniques (yelling, pounding on tables, calling students liars, etc.) not consistent with published AAPS bullying standards to get students to rat on others and to write statements under duress. Their methods clearly are not examples I would want any student to learn from. Their actions need to be investigated. This is a matter for the legal system not the school system. Due process was hardly provided to these students. I happen to be a parent of one of the suspended students whom I believe is innocent of any vandalism but guilty of poor judgment. I have asked Mr. White to call me via a telephone request, a hand-written note delivered to his office and another document delivered to his office so that I can see the specific charges, evidence, etc. to convince me otherwise He has chosen not to respond. That makes me believe that he does not have any proof that would withstand the scrutiny of a non-professional cursory review, let alone a formal legal process. If the AAPS system is trying to make examples out of the group of 31 guilty and innocent students, then instead of stating the AAPS system is trying to protect these students by keeping the issue internal, I think this should be a case for the police. This annual ritual has gone on for many years and will only grow if only a few students are punished by being given a week off of school and many of the guilty students miss punishment altogether.

Tony Livingston

Tue, May 17, 2011 : 2:13 a.m.

Mr. White not responding is just business as usual at Pioneer. There is a definite anti parent atmosphere all year long.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 1:41 p.m.

My child participated in the scavenger hunt with a team of friends who fortunately had the sense to refrain from going to Skyline, Huron, and the Big House. There were 75 items on the list of activities; most were innocuous like take a picture with a freshman. The higher scoring stunts were the illegal ones. My child has said that some of the more egregious offenders were not seems that the kids who were suspended were the ones turned in by other students. This is indeed, a longstanding ritual and I doubt this year's suspension will deter future being kids. That will be the challenge for the Pioneer administration going forward...perhaps threaten in advance to cancel the all night student party for everyone?


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 3:38 a.m.

oh boo hoo? seriously? lets grow up.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:46 p.m.

are you sure Mr. White wasn't just having a &quot;passionate&quot; discussion with the students? don't hold your breath about a principal's actions being investigated.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:44 p.m.

Okay, good points about the ridiculous 'ritual'. Cancel the all-night party for everyone, require the entire senior class to spend the night/day doing community service instead. Don't you think that might help change the crappy culture at the school? Instead of spending lots of energy making it seem like its the parents v the administrators? What does *that* teach the kids? Doesn't it show that unless it can be *proven* they did anything (and that requires kids to 'rat' right?!), they'll get away with their 'fun' and that's even more 'fun' to some of these people, doubtless. I would argue that however poorly Mr. White and his associates might have come off in these interrogation sessions, to spend a lot of energy trying to 'indict' him for his attempts at telling these silly kids that they did the wrong thing is misplaced energy ultimately, imo.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:33 p.m.

Oh, boo hoo!

Kai Petainen

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:23 p.m.

I'm hearing more that people broke into the stadium. Did DPS show up? If not, then why not? Wouldn't that be a security breach? Or is it quite common that people go in after hours? If DPS showed up, then why don't I see it in the daily police reports? Am I looking in the wrong spot? Was it conveniently not reported?

Kyle Feldscher

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 6:09 p.m.

Kai- Sorry for the late response, but when I called the Ann Arbor police to inquire about this on Thursday, I was told that they had no idea what I was talking about. The district has decided to keep the police out of this situation and, as far as Lt. Angella Abrams knew when I spoke with her, there was no knowledge of the incident on their end.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:20 p.m.

As a student who was suspended, I just want to point out that it is primarily the community's adults who are creating this unfortunate incident into a dramatic spectacle. The students care, they understand that they have broken the law and must receive punishment. Even I, who did not trespass onto Skyline of Huron's property, am accepting my punishment because I was aware of the crimes being committed. But we are are all trying to face our punishments with a little dignity, and not make such a ruckus about it. Those who are commenting should realize that almost all of the 250 students committed crimes on public property, what distinguishes them from the 31 suspended students is that they were not on Ann Arbor Public Schools property. Many of these comments are quite patronizing, and very generalized. I do not appreciate being lumped with the 3 or 4 kids who may have actually defecated on public property. All I'm saying is that it would be nice to see a little sensitivity in these comments. You may judge me as a &quot;bad kid&quot; and say that staying in the car is just as bad as pooping on a field, but I know the truth. The entire senior class was fully aware that illegal activities would be taking place that Thursday night, and yet only about 4% are facing the punishment. Please remember, we are not making excuses, but peer pressure is a powerful force, and most of these kids, including myself, are ashamed of how they are being viewed.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 7:49 p.m.

aaum5 you seem like a mature, educated young person. I am impressed at how well you presented your feelings and opinions. Good luck in your future endeavors as I think you are going to be a very sucessful adult.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:21 p.m.

peerpressure is a powerful tool only IF YOU let IT. grow-up and become your own person.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:09 p.m.

Yes, the &quot;community's adults who are creating (sic) this event into a dramatic spectacle&quot; are the ones who are trying to defend your silliness. You really did lose that 'dignity' when you all participated in the event. So, I agree with you--the entire senior class should participate in the contrition. I agree that peer pressure is a powerful thing. The discussion that has come from considerations of how and why you and your peers did these nasty acts has been useful though... It's given me an opportunity to talk with my own teens about how icky all this was, and how it would be the truly strong and 'right' thing to do to refuse to participate in an event wherein to 'win' you'd have to do all that crappy stuff. Yes, it is 'understandable' that you succumbed, but many of you and your parents do seem to be making excuses. You shouldn't be ashamed of how you are being *viewed*, you should be ashamed of how you were too weak to do the right thing and not participate *at all*. My only regret about how 'outed' this all has become is that it is clear that if you're really much better than most at holding social power over others--like presumably the kids who did the worst of it but who are *not* being suspended--you will 'get away' with your little malicious jollies. I'm glad that you are accepting your punishment and I wish that as you imply the *whole senior class* be helped to understand that a culture which supports such silliness just isn't 'right'.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:52 p.m.

&quot; I do not appreciate being lumped with the 3 or 4 kids who may have actually defecated on public property&quot; Then distance yourself from this kind of nonsense! If you are going &quot;play&quot; with the grownups then accept your questionable penalty and move on! So much whining about missing 5 days of school. I would have made you all stay at school in the evenings and write a different essay every day for those five days!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:25 p.m.

Still waiting for at least one grad to apologize without a ton of caveats. Just say 'this was all stupid and we apologize to the community and Pioneer High School'.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:11 p.m.

Another patronizing comment to strengthen my own statement.. I believe that a definition of dignity is &quot;a composed or serious manner or style&quot; and I do not believe I have lost that.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.

Well said aaum5. I think you are right in that many of the adults on this forum are showing less maturity and wisdom than many of the foolish pranksters of that evening.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:32 p.m.

You and your peers are being judged as stupid high school students. Dignity, you say? You lost that when you participated in this childish act. Grow up already! Sure you're ready for college?? I wonder.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:18 p.m.

I can't believe people are so down on Michael White. What a terrible situation he had to deal with. Yes, he could have concluded that since the worst of the moral-less lot will lie the best and there might be thusly relative 'innocents' serving suspensions instead, there is just &quot;nothing he can do&quot;. I guess this must be how a lot of the parents of kids at this school treat their kids. I think he should just cancel the all-night party because these crappy-thinking Pioneers decided to crap on the other schools and thusly they 'represented' faultily, criminally, and won't even admit who did what. I think he should make the *whole senior class* do 20 hours of community service at their school and at the other two schools...*AFTER* school hours while Pioneer teachers and parents and staff get to supervise those hours. If he holds that &quot;threat&quot; out, then either the crew of truly 'responsible' little infants will 'fess up, or else the senior class can really work out those 'problems' they've been having with knowing how to act with each other and with their neighbors. To do nothing because we can't figure out exactly who did what is just not right. Sorry for the kids at Pioneer who have to live with such students in their presence, but to let this attitude keep on keeping on is a disservice to everyone in the AAPS, and it seems to me that Michael White is trying to change the nasty culture at the school. The leaders at the other schools in town should expect that from him, as well.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:39 a.m.

I agree. Michael White has made Pioneer a place I'd want to send my kids to again. It was HORRIBLE before his arrival.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:45 p.m.

It is time that students learn that fun does not involve taking things that are not yours. Or messing up something that is not yours. These are lessons that should have been learned in Kindergarten.

David Torres

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:37 p.m.

I'm just wondering how many Michigan fans here would gladly poop on Ohio States or Michigan States fifty yard line. How many Michigan Fans would gladly deface something at their stadium if they could.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:20 a.m.

Only the incredibly immature ones.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:23 p.m.

Right, it's part 1 of a continuum. The thing is, though, if the little darlings who'd crap on the buckeyes instead of 'just' chant the usual slogans and wear the usual t-shirts grow up to be the kind who'd rip up stadiums and throw stuff and maybe hurt people in the process or as 'collateral damage' type activities... then they get to have *real* criminal records. So for now, they get to perhaps learn how to live in civilization before it affects them a little more deeply.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:33 p.m.

It really surprises me to read about the number of students that were involved in these pranks. I would like to know a little more about the money that the School District spends on its security arrangements. If not Police, the Security person must have detected and directly intervened to stop this activity before it escalated. This is public property where public, and students are not allowed on the property including the grounds after 10 P.M. unless there is an official function. It would be the right thing to do; issue citations to all the students who had entered the School grounds after the buildings are closed. Students must learn the rules of the game. They must know the City Ordinance and must learn to live by rules if they want to attend College.

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:48 p.m.

naw you you people are going overboard


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:30 p.m.

Hmmm... I guess I wonder why the school officials didn't take a more active role in working with students to see that the list of items were all harmless pranks Instead, their solution seemed simply to say &quot;no&quot;. The same sort of thing happened in my school a long time ago. It ended in disaster as well. While the administration was saying we could not have our senior prank day, a batch of angry kids planned to go ahead and do something on their own. Added to a list where the most harmful item was simply taking the steps to the portable classrooms and putting them on top of the rooms so it would delay classes by 5 or 10 minutes Monday morning, were more malicious items such as painting the parking lot with anti-principal slogans, letting loose a batch of frogs down the administration wing, and some graffiti in the admin bathroom that wasn't very pleasant I heard. And, many students like myself stayed clear of the party because it had taken on a malicious flavor. And, we mourned the loss of a day of fun.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:36 p.m.

Lord, can't you have fun without pranks of any kind?! What a silly society we live in, goodness...

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:21 p.m.

I'm a student at Pioneer High School, therefore I know MANY of the students that participated in the senior scavenger hunt, suspended or not. There was obviously some gross, malicious acts of vandalism that occurred, but only a few (reported as 10) of the 31 students suspended were involved in those activities. Although "the list" had way too many illegal items on it, there were also a lot of items that weren't illegal, that most of the students did instead of the illegal ones. Should a spectator or someone waiting in the car really get the same punishment? The kids that waited in the car knew some of the activities were wrong and didn't want to be involved, and weren't. Mr. White needs to give people fair and just punishments, not give everyone the same punishment. Mr. White threatened kids, telling them that if their parents contested the suspensions, he would not allow them to walk at graduation. Does he really have the right to keep anyone from exercising their right of due process? There was a lot that happened here that most of the people who commented know nothing about. I am not excusing the behavior of the 10 kids that did these activities, but not all of the 31 deserve the full punishment, which was a 5 day suspension, 2 week athletic suspension, no senior all night party, 10 hours of community service, and restitution for damages they didn't participate in. Mr. White and the superintendent ignored the facts and punished everyone the same. That's just wrong!


Wed, May 25, 2011 : 1:46 a.m.

To all of you who think the All Senior All Night party should be cancelled, or who agree with the ban of these students, hear this: as a student at Pioneer, I know that the purpose of the party is to ensure that the seniors stay safe in a confined location on the night of their graduation. Common sense tells all of us that these kids who got suspended for doing the most damage on the scavenger hunt are many of the same ones who are likely to go over the top after graduation. As much fun as I'm sure the party will be, it is also a very legitimate safety precaution, and you have to recognize that. Shutting these students out of the party is just asking for more trouble, and I hope it doesn't lead to regrettable consequences.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 3:49 p.m.

There's a way to cancel the party AND not lose money: Don't return the funds.

Tyler Waldrop

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:50 a.m.

i didnt even do it im not a senior...


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:17 p.m.

Tyler, if you wait in the getaway car you are just as responsible as the guy who holds up the liquor store. Next time don't get caught.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:19 p.m.

Well so whatever that money would be used for--Pioneer dances or events or whatever?--doesn't get gotten this year; that seems like the 'legacy' this particular senior class could be known for. That would maybe serve as a disincentive to do this in the future, no?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:17 p.m.

it is called guilty by driving the getaway car in a hold up, time to teach&quot; The basic Laws &quot; instead of sexeducation.n schools.

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:38 p.m.

if they canceled the party the school will miss out on a TON of money...$40 per student so if 500 students go thats $20,000 that the school wont get and the seinor class has 750 students so its possible...


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:28 p.m.

Still waiting for one straight apology from a 2011 grad. I've heard lots of excuses and half apologies but not one yet. Signs were spray painted in our community (and on the road)&quot; 'Class of 2011', etc. We'll be paying to clean up the mess and none of the Class of 2011 on our street has stepped up to the plate to apologize and fix (and pay) for these 'pranks'.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:34 p.m.

I actually think that the whole senior class should miss their all-night party, and that kids who waited in the car while their buds cut up tennis nets were accessories, isn't that how it goes in 'real' criminal proceedings?! Was it somehow a requirement to participate in the hunt? Who sponsors the hunt and why were there illegal/nasty items on the list? Because that's funny? I think Mr. White is just trying to change the nasty culture that would support such actions, and then excuse such actions. I think that if he can't get confessions from the 'real' bad ones, then it would be better to just cancel all-night parties and make *everyone* in the senior class do a bunch of community service. He could actually cancel the all-night party and use the money from that to pay restitutions! He could make it a 'community service party'! I mean, c'mon, this makes the Pioneer senior class-- or at least the ones that were silly enough to participate in a contest which to 'win' you'd have to do some nasty things, right?-- look like a combo of whining hangers-on and major slimy jerks. Why celebrate its existence?!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:15 p.m.

How about the administration, advisors, parents and students demonstrating good public behavior by doing a community service type 'scavenger hunt'. We have tons of neglected public property in need of some TLC. Maybe plant some trees around the Pioneer grounds, etc.? We have many senior citizens whose homes need fixing as well. I realize it's not as much fun as destroying things but at least the students could see trees growing, a better looking community as they grow older (and hopefully more mature). We need to stop calling out and out destructive vandalism as 'pranks', etc. It's not funny or creative, just destruction for the fun of it and where other people have to clean up the mess.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:37 p.m.

One of the best suggestions on this forum!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:42 p.m.

really? you know what would've happened if this happened a generation ago, ill tell you nothing. when did we become such prudes that kids cant even pull off pranks, granted they may have been malicious, but i think that most people have forgotten how the youth thinks, let them pay the fine make them do community service but dont kick them out of the senior all night party. plus the whole point of the senior all night party is to keep the kids from doing stupid things the night of their graduation. Now the people who have been proven to do stupid things are going to back on the streets the night of their graduation. where would you rather them be?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:24 p.m.

I remember back more than one generation. Yes, kids did commit malicious acts, but they have definitely always been punished if they got caught.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:24 p.m.

I was actually on the side of these kids yesterday. Kids will be kids. Don't wreck their life blah, blah, blah. The other part of that is: Take responibilty for your actions. Say you're sorry. Say you won't do it again. THANK MR WHITE for cutting you a break. This whiney garbage makes me want to throw the book at them. I feel Mr. White showed remakable restraint under the circumstances. You parents running to cover up. YOU are the reason this city makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Entititled crap from entitled people. Too bad you bred.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 9:03 p.m.

I am often on the side of the kids, in this case because many of the adults comments are more offensive than what the kids did. Thankfully procreation is as yet unlegislated.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:09 p.m.

They didn't do anything? Really? Is running a getaway car nothing? Didn't they KNOW what the other kids were going to do? Really? There is a life lesson there. YES you are involved, it is called being an accessory to a CRIME. Mr. White cut these kids a break and this is the thanks he gets. Next time he probably will not be so understanding. Who could blame him. Also, if you are going to call somebody ignorant, at least use the correct &quot;you're&quot;, it will make it come off a little better.

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:20 p.m.

your an ignorant person 10 of the 31 kids did stuff the others didnt do anything so ya parents will get involved!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:18 p.m.

Let's think about this. The type of person that would defecate in public. Would this person either lack good judgment or be aggressive and violent? Would this type of person run over ducklings with a large vehicle? I can't help but see the similarities.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 6:13 p.m.

yes they will jion the military and get a gun and go to war overseas!

tom d

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:18 p.m.



Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:12 p.m.

with a click-click here and a click-click there, .com got exactly what it wanted of this minor vandalism story it got LEGS to run more stories the next day and get more comments (from suckers like me) when u send away your journalists and hite teenagers and stay at home moms tto wrote your stories and gwhat few editors you have are presussured to increase clicks, you get a second story like today that shed no new light on anything

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7 p.m.

They ran crap stories with their old allegedly 'pro' staff too! This business model makes more sense though...send off the higher-salaried bad-reporters to other places to do their non-work in new pastures, leave the people with the lesser proof-reading skills (though some remain that could use a little help there lol) to apply their journalism-as-marketing skills to increase 'click' revenue, perfect!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:55 p.m.

If they had turned the students over to the police, that would have resulted in an increase in crime. Hizzoner has decreed that crime will be reduced in the People's Democratic Republic of Ann Arbor.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:54 p.m.

As a teacher at a local school (not Pioneer) I am left wondering what these kids actually learned? If they learned that this behavior was in any way excusable, their schooling has failed them. I feel sorry for these stupid kids but I do believe they should be punished rather severely. I don't think the obvious leaders should walk at graduation - sorry kids, but there is a line and you crossed it.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:23 p.m.

it is my understanding the the masterminds of this event do NOT get to walk for graduation.

Kai Petainen

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:40 p.m.

One of the comments earlier made mention that something may have happened at the stadium. But, when I look through the DPS daily beat reports, I don't see any indication of that. So.... where is the disconnect? Did something happen, or not?

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:26 p.m.

I'm still confused about this 'list'....who wrote these little dares?

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:57 p.m.

no dammage was done i have a list and it says get into the big house and get on the field


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:13 p.m.

Kids definitely broke into the stadium. There are pictures on Facebook of them on the field from that night. How much damage was done, if any, is not widely known.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:36 p.m.

These are students who are, or will soon be, 18 years old .... the &quot;legal age&quot; for many things. They are old enough to know better. Celebrating one's graduation from high school does not give one the right to do illegal things. Last time I checked, damaging others' property was not legal. You break the rules, you pay the consequences. It's very simple. And if one was my child (and I do have a child graduating this year), and he didn't pay the consequences at school, you can bet he'd pay them at home .... and they would be far worse.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:32 p.m.

If the school bans an annual activity that's &quot;mostly harmless fun&quot;, what's left becomes illegal and out of control. I would still like to think that kids can tell what' goes over the line, though. Guess this was a sharp learning curve.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:32 p.m.

What a waste of time, money, resource's, a non story. How does this crap even make it in the news...who cares?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:52 p.m.

'crap' is the key word in your comment and the most despicable part of the story.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:41 p.m.

YOU would care if it were you cleaning up the crap! And if you think its no big deal why don't you help with the clean up?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:06 p.m.

If they sent the kids to the court system, it would come out that they didn't get the worst offenders - or even many of the offenders. Several of the kids being punished would receive little to no punishment in the system, as many of them played very minor roles. Kaucheck is right in that many of the kids being punished are paying restitution for damage they had no part of - or even knowledge of. I've read a number of comments about these kids having parents who protect them. In fact, many of the worst offenders who did the most damage (and whose names were also given to school officials) are the kids with powerful parents, and these are the kids getting off completely free.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:02 p.m.

I'm amazed at how many people leaving comments have apparently lived an angelic life and walk around daily with their halos sparkling in the sun. I think that the punishments are about right. Some improvements, in my opinion, would be to 1) Take the $10 participation fee that the students all put into the pot and put it toward recuperating the damages; 2) Make the community service go toward fixing the damages; 3) Make all 5 of the days for which the students are suspended be spent doing community service; 4) Make all 250 participants perform a minimum of 4 hours of community service. All that being said, these kids are 17 and 18. I know several of them well. The ones that I know are all in good academic standing and are going to great colleges. I think that everyone posting on here needs to take their blinders off and remember the mistakes that we all made when we were at that age. The kids involved should be punished, but please stop implying that they (or their parents) represent the devil's spawn.

Matt Cooper

Sun, May 15, 2011 : 4:48 p.m.

Well, sorry to have to point this out A2, but this article isn't about me, now is it? It's about high school kids defecating on a playing field and other potentially dangerous (to others) vandalism. And yes, I certainly did things when I was a kid that I wished I hadn't, but I also stood up for myself, took my punishment and learned something from it. For you to intimate that these kids should be somehow excused or their punishiments be lessend because they &quot; are all in good academic standing and are going to great colleges&quot; is asinine.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:44 p.m.

@Matt Cooper - Of course you can have opinion. However, if you think that you have never done something that you shouldn't have in your life... OR, if you think that you never could have said something to prevent a friend from doing something that they shouldn't have... then please put a towel over your halo while you're preaching; it's blinding me.

Matt Cooper

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:04 p.m.

I never spray painted stop signs. Nor did I shat on a football field. Nor did I ever do any of the stupid acts these students performed that night. So now does that entitle me to have an opinion?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:24 p.m.

We who are older certainly don't all wear halos, but we do remember that there were consequences for these immature and inappropriate behaviors. Our parents supported those consequences and usually added more. We learned that all actions have results and to consider whether or not we want to have to face up to those results before acting.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:01 p.m.

Let's see. Over 250 students participated. Only 31 participated in the destruction. That means over 200 students had the maturity and insight not to participate in destructive acts. These were the &quot;good kids,&quot; not the still immature young people who seem to believe that their actions should not have consequences. It conflicts with all the statements that we are all so immature and self centered at this age. The 31 deserve the consequences they are receiving. The others deserve compliments that they did not participate in this part of the scavenger hunt.

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 6:36 a.m.

Yep. Obviously, everyone who was punished &quot;deserves the consequences they are receiving.&quot; Because you have spoken to the students, read their statements, evaluated the evidence, looked at how their being punished, and come to an informed conclusion. Right?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:31 a.m.

@Gramma So, 31 students were CAUGHT, there were plenty more students who did destruction. Plus not all the 31 students that were punished even did the vandalism...only ten of the 31 performed those acts. so only ten people should be punished. The only reason there aren't more people suspended is because they haven't been snitched on yet by other students.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 4:12 p.m.

Gramma, of the 250 participating students, I'm sure some belong with the Pioneer 31, but didn't get caught.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:28 p.m.

Sorry realdeal, but if all you did was crunch the numbers, you missed the point of my comment


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:08 p.m.

You are so absurdly ignorant if you believe no other kids did anything equally or more destructive.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:45 p.m.

kids were idiots and of course the very PC parents support their kids and not the school administration.SUCH IS LIFE THESE DAYS.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:40 p.m.

Students that commit these kinds of acts should not be allowed to walk in graduation, and should have to pay the same consequences that anyone else would - including any criminal charges. If criminal charges result in the loss of a diploma or acceptance into a college, then so be it. I really don't want students that commit vandalism and other criminal acts to represent the Ann Arbor community when they go on to a major college or university. Why should they be able to represent the school and the community by walking in a ceremony that represents what they have learned and their transition into the &quot;real&quot; world! Let's not blame the administrators - put the responsibility where it belongs - on the students that committed these acts!

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 6:33 a.m.

This event has absolutely nothing to do with school, or their academic success. What does graduation have to do with it, other than Mr. White trying to run the world like his boot camps?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 2:30 a.m.

I think you're quite right. BUT, this is Ann Arbor . . . the capital of permissive &amp; enabling parents.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:40 p.m.

If this vandalism had been turned over to the police and courts consequences would have been more severe. There are consequences for every choice you make life....Hurt someone say&quot;Your Sorry&quot; break or cause destruction..&quot;replace it&quot;..take the punishment, move forward..hopefully a lesson is learned and it will carry you through the rest of your life.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:12 a.m.

The case would have been dropped in court, there is no evidence on who did the vandalism except for the staements Mr White scared out of students. Those can't be used in court.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:56 p.m.

I like your response, short and to the point with a moral lesson!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:32 p.m.

Two comments. 1st, this is a poorly written article. Michelle Kaucheck references a statement -- in fact &quot;her statement&quot; -- but she is neither a parent nor a student. Why did she write a statement? Prior to this comment, there is no explanation about the statements. I finally concluded she was referring to the students' statements. Second, if Michelle Kaucheck knows that other students were involved, how is she helping the administration? She is quick to criticize but offers no suggestions, alternatives or additional information. It's easy being a side-line critic.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:16 a.m.

Um ... it's pretty clear to me that the &quot;she&quot; referred to here as asking for the statement here -- &quot;Michelle Kaucheck, a former Pioneer parent who has family friends among those suspended, said she went with one of the suspended students to Pioneer for moral support as she attempted to ask for her statement back.&quot; -- is the student Michelle Kaucheck went with.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:11 a.m.

Read the article. Michelle did not write a statement, she was helping a student try to get hers back. Michelle isn't trying to help the administration, she disagrees with them. You really aren't reading.

Buster W.

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:24 p.m.

In my opinion, the 10 hours of community service should be completed at Skyline and Huron. Why should Pioneer receive the benefit of community service???


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:12 p.m.

It would be helpful in making this a complete story if would publish a list of all of the things on the scavenger list. Or maybe just the things that might not be so offensive.

say it plain

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:17 p.m.

I wouldn't even care if you were *never warned* lol, beyond toddlerhood I think one knows that crapping on someone else's stuff, or drawing all over stuff, isn't very good lol.

pihi student

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:58 p.m.

Yes it was all seniors and we were never warned about participating it.

Matt Cooper

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:01 p.m.

These students shat all over a playing field. I don't need to know anything beyond that. I think that alone says it all.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:39 p.m.

I am not interested in &quot;gawking&quot; at the list! But if we are going to pass judgment on this or anything else it would be helpful to have more information.

Dr. I. Emsayin

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:29 p.m.

People want to gawk at the list. I know that seniors from past years from this and other schools make similar lists. It's like hazing. It isn't good; it's bad, but bring your kids up thoughtfully and they will turn out ok in the end, whenever that is, but it isn't at 18!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:20 p.m.

Agree - and out of the 250 students, how many were seniors. I didn't think so in the previous post, but if these were all seniors, the list is really awful and they were warned - I would just as soon they called off the graduation ceremonies and mailed them their diploma.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:53 a.m.

Poop is the line you just don't cross.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:17 p.m.

Destruction of property is the line you don't cross.

Basic Bob

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:48 a.m.

The students that were caught on Huron and Skyline property should serve their in-school suspensions and community service at Huron and Skyline dressed proudly in Pioneer t-shirts. They should not receive their diploma or transcripts until all the graffiti is removed. Michael White is attempting to make the punishment appropriate but avoid the criminal justice system. Any parent that attempts to support, protest, or interfere should be informed that their case will be referred to the police for investigation and possible prosecution.

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 6:31 a.m.

God forbid one should go on another school's property after hours. That's a horrible, horrible thing to do, and anyone who did it should be severely punished.

Dr. I. Emsayin

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:40 a.m.

Everyone so interested in this should also be reading about the budget at AAPS with equal interest.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:32 a.m.

I usually look to Don Bee for good comments and I agree again with what he said regarding distinguishing between harmless fun and destructive behavior. As for the nature of punishment, we can all have an opinion on what we'd do and like to se, but the responsibility for that decision rested with the principal and I think he approached it as a principal should. With a measure of reason yet drawing the line. For those who think that this principal went too far or needs anger management, let me just say that yesterday's comment board was full of comments demanding criminal accountability from those 31. The principal could have easily just turned it over to police and let them do all the &quot;interrogation&quot;. These kids would need a lawyer to try to withdraw their statements of confession then, not a neighbor. It's clear that these kids are feeling the punishment and will come to regret this action as they grow older and mature. But, I also bet that in years to come they will, in the back of their minds, thank this principal for taking a reasoned and measured response to their antics that demanded just accountability rather than vengefully letting them get dragged through the court systems and have their lives and reputations marred--all at great taxpayer expense. Hopefully, that's another important lesson they will carry with themselves throughout their lives.

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Tue, May 17, 2011 : 4:06 a.m.

I wasn't in the room, and I don't know the specifics of this case any more than 98% of the commenters here. But I can tell you, in general, that Mr. White does indeed need anger management classes.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:07 p.m.

I agree completely Dennis.

Basic Bob

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:53 a.m.

I'm not so sure the kids or the parents will have any appreciation for the measured response. They think accountability and punishment is for other people.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:19 a.m.

The senior scavenger hunt is NOT a senior prank, messing with athletic stuff at other schools is a prank. This article is misleading

Omega Man

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:05 a.m.

Just read some of the comments in the prior article - I am concerned that an accurate tally of destruction has not been completed. Replacing wind screens at the Tennis courts at Huron and repairing other damage, repairing defaced stop signs, removing spray paint from electronic signage, etc. sounds like more than $2,700 to me. Make sure that you have an accurate accounting before confirming grades to colleges or generating diplomas, otherwise you won't get the $s. This is public property.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:59 a.m.

I think the Principal needs some anger management classes. He isn't a trained interrogator. Who knows if these confessions are true? It seems like he needed to punish somebody in order to deter this from happening again but it didn't really matter if he got the right students.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 9:10 p.m.

How do you know he's not a trained interrogator? Public service is good for these students regardless. In some countries you are required to serve in the military; that's public service.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 9:08 p.m.

We need more Mr. Whites in our schools and less mamby-pamby hand holding administrators. Men like this can save the schools, save our youth, and save this country.

Andrew MacKie-Mason

Mon, May 16, 2011 : 5:16 a.m.

White threatened retribution against students who appealed their suspensions. That's why you won't hear anyone coming forward.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:19 a.m.

EXACTLY. he went all military on us.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:13 a.m.

Regarding the principal, we have only the complainer's word that he got &quot;very angry.&quot; These things can be very much in the eye of the beholder...

Tyler Waldrop

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:52 p.m.

people did come forward and say they did it so the innocent in there group wouldnt get white didnt care and handed everyone the same punnishment. Unless ur a student at pioneer you dont know half of what is going on


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:55 p.m.

As someone that has worked for Principal White, he should have been the principal of the year. He is a leader, expects accountability, and works well with others. Some people in the community have a sad habit of always wanting to criticize everything that is done. Ask anyone that has worked at Pioneer, and they will tell you what a HUGE difference he has made on the school. The school is focused, students are expected to behave respectfully, and teachers are expected to work hard. This is the best run comprehensive high school in the district.

Matt Cooper

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:57 p.m.

Easy solution to the problem, since Mr. White isn't a trained interrogator: Turn these little pranksters over to the juvenile courts and let the professional investigators handle it. These kids got off easy. Wanna involve pro's, cool. But if you go that route, let the little heathens suffer the consequences that come with the juvenile authorities.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:57 p.m.

I have no idea if Mr White gets &quot;over the top&quot; angry. That could very well be true. But my point is every time someone is accused of something trespass insinuates they are innocent. EVEN if they confess! &quot;It seems like he needed to punish somebody in order to deter this from happening again but it didn't really matter if he got the right students.&quot; Has anyone come forward and said they were wrongly accused or convicted?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:04 p.m.

Depends on what you're used to.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:12 p.m.

Whether guilty or not, trepass' comments aren't wrong. Mr White, when he's angry, is over the top. It's beyond the pale.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:05 p.m.

Here we go the defender of the guilty! Have you heard ANY come forward and dispute what happened?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:59 a.m.

&quot;Most of the activities were harmless fun&quot; Yes, those are not the ones that are the problem. It is the ones that were not harmless fun that were the problem. I think the ring leaders should serve an in school suspension in a place where they can be seen and with no access to cell phones, laptop, books or other entertainment. After a day, they should be offered a chance to &quot;work off the suspension&quot; cleaning up. The same should go for the rest of the 31. If the juniors realize there are limits, maybe it will not be repeated again for a couple of years. It is just sit home for 5 days, then it will repeat next year. Afterall, this is get out of class and goof off at the end of senior year - why would it not grow next year?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:55 a.m.

More fault finding in comments? &quot;It's the students . . . It's the parents . . . It's the school system . . . It's society . . . It's the lack of fiber in our diets . . . It's too much fiber in our diets . . .&quot; Hmmm . . . I am grateful that all of the kids made it home safely that night . . . If this is the worst graduation-related story we see, then we are very fortunate . . . All of the kids get to live another day . . . and have a chance to become as perfect as their detractors . . .


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:40 p.m.

Don't bring fiber into this!!!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:55 a.m.

I'm just amazed somebody dropped a grumpy on the football field. I think that sounds like a cry for help from the young people of Ann Arbor. How have we failed them?!?!?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:25 p.m.

Spewing my drink as well! Good laughs, thank you all.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 5:49 p.m.

@a2reality: I believe the Queens' English is: &quot;pump a grumpy&quot;.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:02 p.m.

sick sick sick -- all of you!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:47 p.m.

I think that you're mixing terms. I believe that you should be referring it as &quot;dropped a deuce&quot; or &quot;ground out a grumpy.&quot; :)

Craig Lounsbury

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:24 a.m.

now cleaning coffee off my monitor...:)

Maggie Levenstein

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:46 a.m.

This headline is irresponsible. Most of the activity in the senior scavenger hunt is harmless and fun. Headlines like this are about self-righteousness, or the desire to create scandal and controversy, rather than support young people, including young people doing silly and unproductive things. If the local newspaper, such as it is, can't distinguish between something fun and something destructive, how are the kids supposed to learn to?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:11 a.m.

I'm pretty sure cutting nets and taking a dump on an athletic field counts as destructive.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:04 p.m.

Oh, do you have a copy of the scavenger hunt? Please share here.

Matt Cooper

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:53 p.m.

Maggie, I'm wondering when defecating on a playing field where other people are potentially exposed to making contact with human feces became regarded as something &quot;fun&quot; to do? Would you want your kids running across the football field and slipping on a pile of feces, getting it in their clothes, on their skin, and God help them if they get it in any sort of open skin wound such as a scraped knee or cut finger for instance? Can you say &quot;sepsis&quot;? Would you still think it funny then?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1:05 p.m.

But not all of the activity is harmless and fun. Vandalism is a crime, and tolerating it teaches kids that they don't have to obey the laws. Consequences are important in helping them learn where to draw the line.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 1 p.m.

THIS is fun!


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:48 p.m.

How are the kids supposed to learn? Well, how about their parents teach them? I do not and never will let newspapers, TV or blogs teach my child my definition of right and wrong.

Chip Reed

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:32 a.m.

my goodness, WHO did you say was being self-righteous?

Chip Reed

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:44 a.m.

&quot;officials spoke with student athletes...&quot;. It does seem like jocks misbehave more than nerds or hippies. For some &quot;scholar-athletes&quot;, high school is the pinnacle of their existence, so perhaps it is their last chance to try to get away with stuff.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 2:17 p.m.

Jeeze Chip, still mad about the swirly thing, huh?


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:58 p.m.

@timjbd too funny

Chip Reed

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:29 a.m.

@timjbd-greasers are an endangered species, at best. There hasn't been any greaser culture (not an oxymoron) around these parts for quite a spell...


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 11:23 a.m.

What about the greasers?

tom swift jr.

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 10:25 a.m.

You know what happens when an article gets over 200 comments on You run an article about the same thing the next day... those ad hits are like gold! And, what does &quot;they didn't feel they had any other choice but to confess when they were questioned by White and other school officials.&quot; even mean? Of course they had options, they could have lied, a much more logical route for someone who doesn't want the world to know they defecated on a public school athletic field. And, last comment, if you want to know what type of student would take part in a prank like this, it's the type that has some adult always willing to say &quot;awwww....poor you! It's not your fault, it's those bad adults at your school.&quot; Sorry, can't feel bad for these kids, I hope this is a wakeup call for them and they've learned that most of the people in our culture don't defecate in public and destroy property just for fun.


Mon, May 16, 2011 : 11:17 p.m.

I never asked if you were a kid once..I'm not saying the behavior was wrong. I'm saying the way of going about finding &quot;evidence&quot; was completely out of line. And no one knows how much will actually have to be paid. Why are you wasting so much energy over this?


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 3:45 p.m.

@whoami: Yes, I was a kid once. I never defecated in public. I never destroyed others' property. And I certainly never whined publicly when being held accountable for the stuff that I *did* do. &quot;Kids will be kids&quot; simply doesn't cover this. They're lucky to have Mr. White rather than me--if I were there, they'd have served suspension in school, on the location of another one of those schools. They'd be forking over way more than $90. And there's not a chance they'd walk in graduation.


Sun, May 15, 2011 : 1:17 a.m.

Mr Wihite pounded on tables, accused kids of lying, and kept threatening to turn it to the police unless they confessed. would you feel ike you had a choice? Lying wasn't an option. you weren't there, of course you wouldn' understand what it' like to have MR. white standing over you pounding on the table yelling in your face. Is that proper behavior? I thought we tought no bullying at Pioneer. And no harassing. People only know one side of the story and only believe that, and that's just sad. Everyone was a kid once.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 8:38 p.m.

@Freight Train: First of all, that you for being a high school teacher. I value the teachers in our community highly. Secondly, I like the handle &quot;Freight Train&quot; and the logo that you have. Color me intimidated. :) In response to your comment: While perhaps that intent of the post is to single out the &quot;bad&quot; kids, that isn't how it reads. Additionally, we need to keep in mind that there were 250 kids involved. I find it hard to believe, for example, that there were only 31 total kids who either spray painted or were in the car with someone who did. Therefore, I think that the broad brush definition of a &quot;good&quot; kid and a &quot;bad&quot; kid is yielding a very blurry line here. The bottom line for me is that we all make mistakes. I'm not saying that those mistakes should go without punishment; I agree with the penalties laid down and would actually have been harsher and more specific if I had been the principal. My issue is that many of the posters here are spouting off as though they didn't make any mistakes when they were young, stupid and 17/18. I think that the kids should be punished, but we don't need to label them or their parents.

Freight Train

Sat, May 14, 2011 : 7:18 p.m.

@A2 reality. Do you think he was judging all of the suspended kids or those who carried out the vandalism? As a public high school teacher and a parent, I hope I can say that I have a fairly decent grasp on nuances of the adolescent mind. Do &quot;good' kids destroy property? Do &quot;good&quot; kids leave behind messes that they know will be dealt with by others? The students I have taught that get busted for stuff like this usually have some correlative behavior that manifests itself as cheating/plagiarism, stealing or other dishonest behavior. I find it ironic that kids are crying foul over getting suspended by association even though they are hiding all of the facts. Let the perpetrators know that you do not want to get in trouble. Let them know that they should come forward or you will. It's as easy as that.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 3:11 p.m.

While I do not know any of these kids personally, those who DID participate in these despicable actions should be punished. However, I am open to the idea that some of the students suspended had nothing to do with the actions of a few. There are many ways to get a confession out of someone, and some of these students may have plead guilty but were really innocent.


Sat, May 14, 2011 : 12:45 p.m.

That's terrifically judgmental. You don't know any of these kids, but are free to pass your verdict down with regard to both the kids and the parents. Realize that is was a substantial portion of the senior class that participated. Given the demographics that this represents, you've probably just passed judgment on pretty much every type of kid and parent in town.