AlphaAlpha

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 9:44 p.m.

In recent years, comparative planetologists have gathered excellent evidence supporting the contention that the sun is the dominant climatological influence for every planet in our solar system. Slowly but surely these studies are gaining traction, in an academic environment which, for political not scientific reasons, has been unusually hostile to the traditional, healthy, skepticism for which scientific discourse, and progress, have been known. Comparative planetologists, as a whole, are far more competent and qualified than are the climate scientists to render opinions on such matters; as they study all planets in the solar system (indeed, all planets period, as now we have detected ~400 extrasolar planets), not just one planet, namely, earth. As the ability to accurately measure the temperatures of other planets improved dramatically in recent years, the temperature correlation among planets became utterly obvious.

FreedomOfSpeech

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 12:28 p.m.

shepard145 - Bravo!

Macabre Sunset

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 8:59 a.m.

"Serious scientists who study climate change" can only be approved for such study by the cult. The East Anglia emails outlined that process quite clearly. I'm not certain how someone capable of independent thought could read what Mann and his cronies have done and not call their conclusions about climate change into question. It is probably getting warmer. But there's considerable evidence climate changes on this earth, with or without our carbon emissions. So separating our influence is important. The AGW cult does so with that hockey-stick approach. But, as Mann himself has admitted, in order to create the hockey sticks, you need to fudge the data. If you read the email series where he expresses admiration for his fellow cultist's "tricks" in manipulating the raw data, you'll understand how they're doing this. We need to study climate change. But honestly. Not with the foregone conclusion that only by crippling our economy with new taxes can we save the planet from disaster. The idea that cap-and-trade can be implemented without serious harm to the economy is ludicrous. It essentially assumes we can dismantle the suburbs on a whim.

shepard145

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 9:30 p.m.

One or two of the comments here show some lack of scientific knowledge: 1.The scientific method will not be replaced by "polling" during this dark age of science. Especially those whos employment depends on keeping the global warming fraud gasping as long as possible. The hockey stick is a lie but many cannot face the scheme's crumbling foundation. 2.Cap and Trade presumes the earths climate is controlled by CO2 levels, which is wrong. More specifically, it requires as fact that choices made by American Consumers every day control the earths climate and if forced into sufficient poverty by their government, the earths temperature will get colder. Absurd on its face and a thinly disguised socialist style government power grab. 3.The emails released by the few honest people at East Anglia University, where American Politicians get their research, speak of a history of fraud and corruption. Investigations into the charges were crushed by thugs with hundreds of millions of dollars at risk. The world is unsatisfied and unimpressed by the cover up and is still waiting for an aggressive pursuit of the truth. I presume that those in support of this fraud do not have their heads buried in the sand, but their hands out for our tax dollars that make up their dirty profits.

LarryJ

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 7:49 p.m.

Most of the comments here show some lack of scientific knowledge: 1. Serious scientists who study climate are nearly all in agreement that climate change is real, that it is important, and that it is caused by human activities. The "hockey stick" is supported by many lines of data. The urban heat zones have been accounted for. The glaciers are melting and the arctic has lost its year-round ice cover. It's pretty plain to see. 2. There is no reason that a "Cap and trade" proposal needs to raise taxes. It's just a way of attaching a cost to release of climate-damaging CO2 and a reward to non-CO2-generating energy production. 3. The private emails at East Anglia University (!) that were never acted on by those involved, are hardly a reason to call climate change into question. Please stop burying your heads in the sand and open your eyes to what is happening to our world.

Meme Mine

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 7:35 p.m.

Be real liberals, not pansies who think being radical is sitting in the dark for an hour once a year with the lights turned out but burning candles, heating up a frozen pizza, getting high and texting your friends. Show some commitment at least and if you only knew how foolish you doomers look now, wait till history gets through with you modern day witch burners. System Change, not climate change. Drop the CO2 and start environmentalism anew.

shepard145

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 6:06 p.m.

Substitute the word elites with nave doofuses then yes, the community feels exactly that way. We also wonder if UM has created undergrad and masters degree programs that churn out credentials that will cease to exist once UM (and thousands of others) are forced to acknowledge the hoax. Awwwwkaarrd

Ben Connor Barrie

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:50 p.m.

Reading these comments, one would come to the conclusion that 1) U of M students are lazy elites who would go to any conference so long as it was in a tropical local and 2) "Climate Change" is a tremendous hoax aimed at duping honest, hard working Americans. Does our community really see the world this way?

AlphaAlpha

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 10:46 p.m.

"Ironic that they'll go to warm-weather Cancun for winter break and come back with a hockey stick." Touche Macabre Sunset. The AGW lie was remarkably well developed and thought through. The world was quite close to paying a very high price, for nothing beneficial. Part of the scam involved/s creating the illusion that only 'climate scientists' are capable of knowing and understanding the 'truth'. It was SOP to denigrate skeptics by asserting that if you are not a climate scientist, your opinion is worthless. Hence, it was doubly amusing to see the UM resident AGW expert is a...geologist. And now a quiet one. The climate scientists also did not count on an experienced group of comparative planetologists to notice most of the planets in our system were warming cooling in unison. Gee. Could it be the Sun? Imagine that. Here is an interesting, yet unpublicized, item, likely an A2.com first: The original batch of Climategate emails was not hacked. It was released; leaked, by a very high ranking official inside the CRU, in an attempt to expose the fraud. Thankfully, the attempt was successful.

Ian

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 9:45 p.m.

Climategate - great commentary by James Corbett that show man-made global warming is a lie. There is no other explanation. Google, "climategate is still an issue."

Macabre Sunset

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 8:49 p.m.

Ironic that they'll go to warm-weather Cancun for winter break and come back with a hockey stick. But good to know the cult of AGW is still strong, and sucking in the university types. Maybe Michael Mann will autograph their rosaries.

Ian

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 8:38 p.m.

@Freedom, Sorry to have repeated the same quote. Informed minds think alike.

Ian

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 8:33 p.m.

Climate has ALWAYS changed. What is the big deal. It is a big deal if some crooks can find a way to fool the people into giving up trillions of dollars to enrich themselves. Sea levels will rise 20 feet, the Arctic ice will melt, the Hymalaya glacier will melt, etc., etc., etc. "Tell a big lie and repeat it over and over and people will believe it." Nazi, Germany. To find out why the lies are being told, Google, "Agenda 21." It is far more evil and expansive than merely stealing money through cap-n-trade and carbon taxes.

FreedomOfSpeech

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 8:11 p.m.

But shepard145 don't you know... If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. - Joseph Goebbels Remeber the little boy featured here on A2.com that was all excited by Al Gore's hockey stick graph and the lie of Global warming... ek hmmm... Climate Change? Then those pesky leaked ose emails came out and 100%, no question about it exposed that it was and is ALL A LIE! They even showed what happens to those scientists with published papers, who dare to tell the truth, shepard145, so you just pipe down now... Now no one wants to debase that young lads hopes and dreams by telling him the truth... do you? BTW: For those scoring at home: Edward Bernays gets an assist on thatquote. - To the Lad if you're reading this: Global Warming or Global Governance? www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3069943905833454241 I care.

shepard145

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 7:39 p.m.

Im glad my Masters Degree didnt depend on a hypothesis fudged to fact during a scientific dark age! Apparently reliance on the scientific method has been suspended for a generation or so! I get a lot of mail from the eco crowd and most of their events have two things in common: Even thought lavishly funded by government grants, the easily dismissible pseudo science rarely results in anything tangible (most often restating questionable past data with a new PowerPoint) and the qualifications of speakers are poor. You may attend a lecture and later find out the global warming cheerleader has a two year degree in social work, is a science teacher, reporter or lawyer. Case in point - Al Gore has a 4 year degree in government, finishing near the bottom of his class at Harvard how often do you read that in his bio? Few can or will address hard questions about the flimsiness of the human controlled greenhouse global warming fraud, which is why the conversation is finally becoming more rational. Those who demand evidence are referred to as deniers as though this is some medieval inquisition! LOL We are told over and over that the (human controlled global weather) debate is over as declared by who? ANSWER: A magazine reporter with a liberal arts degree in journalism in 2004! LOL You cant make this stuff up!!

Blueman Rick

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 5:27 p.m.

I like Cancun. Can I go too? What a bunch of baloney. I hope not one cent of my alumni $ are going toward this trip.

AlphaAlpha

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 3:47 p.m.

Isn't it interesting how global warming has faded from the news? There are several reasons for this: 1. Cap and Tax legislation has been rejected by many countries. Increased tax revenue was a key goal of 'AGW' proponents. Since Cap & Tax was rejected, they have given up, at least for now. 2. The Climategate scandal revealed data manipulation tantamount to fraud. Disregarding temperature readings located outside urban heat zones? Yup. Hiding declining temperatures with discredited 'hockey stick' graphs? Yup. Not allowing outside scientists to confirm or dispute conclusions? Yup. This years 'climate change' conference should be much less eventful than last years, when Copenhagen had extraordinarily cold temperatures... Change is the one meteorological constant on this planet, and every other planet with an atmosphere in the solar system.

stunhsif

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 2:56 p.m.

A free trip to Cancun Mexico at this time of year, what a great idea. Burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel to get there makes them hypocrites in my eyes!

cibachrome

Sat, Nov 27, 2010 : 2:15 p.m.

I hope they can make a Climate friendly statement by their means of travel there, but I suspect its not even going to be considered. That would mean to me that its all talk and no "walk" so to speak.