TFF3

Thu, Dec 24, 2009 : 10:36 a.m.

Wow, I guess I should proofread before submitting next time. :) I'm sure you can still get the message through my typos.

TFF3

Thu, Dec 24, 2009 : 10:32 a.m.

Cars and guns are a perfect comparison. Both are inatmiate objects, that by themselves, are harmless. Both are capable of being operated by humans in a safe and responsible manner. Both are capable of being operated by humans recklessly and can cause danger to others. For just one minute, set aside your skewed veiw of gun ownership, and consider a gun as a metal object. A metal object with controls that can be operated by someone in many different ways. That description is identical to a car. But since you're incapable of using that comparison, I'll use your cheeseburger one. I steal your cheeseburger off your table, force it down someones throat, who chokes and dies on it there on the spot. You're comfortable going to jail for that?

tdw

Thu, Dec 24, 2009 : 7:34 a.m.

ricebrnr Give it up.Sometimes its just impossible to use logic or reason with some people

Ricebrnr

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 10:56 p.m.

Actually you are incorrect. But talk about apples to oranges. That story has what to do with law abiding, background checked, personally invested CPL holders? Stolen gun, gun and drug trafficking, and lord knows how many other crimes being committed by criminals. Wow, talk about stereotyping and profiling. Could you get away with that if your statements were about how certain races are all criminals because the majority of them are in prison? Maybe we should automatically assume all the crime stories are committed by a certain type of young male, eh? But all gun owners are criminals, that's ok... Bigotry is bigotry.

Mikey2u

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 10:41 p.m.

Ricebrnr, You dont think Jamelle James should have been charged but I do, and so did the feds. FLINT, Mich., Sept. 11 A man accused of having the gun that the authorities say a 6-year-old boy used to kill a first-grade classmate was sentenced today to 2 to 15 years in prison. The man, Jamelle James, 20, was charged with leaving a.32-caliber semiautomatic pistol in a shoebox in his bedroom. The police said the 6-year-old boy, who was living in the house, took the gun to school and shot Kayla Rolland on Feb. 29. Last month, Mr. James pleaded no contest to involuntary manslaughter. The boy was living with Mr. James in what prosecutors described as a flophouse where guns and drugs were exchanged. The boy's mother had been evicted from her home and had left the boy at the house a week before the shooting. The boy, now 7, was not charged in Kayla's death. Prosecutors said he was too young to be held responsible. The boy's uncle, Sir Marcus Winfrey, pleaded guilty to possessing the stolen gun used in the shooting.

Ricebrnr

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 10:15 p.m.

People have a right to own cars, but they have to understand that certain responsibilities go along with car ownership. I think the following rules should be applied: If they have an accident they loose the right to own cars for 5 years. If they lose their car they loose the right to own cars for 5 years. If their car is stolen they loose the right to own cars for 5 years. If they accidently hit a person they get 5 years in prison. If their stolen car is used in a crime they go on trial with the criminal as a co-defendant and get the same sentence as the criminal. If their child takes their car and on a joy ride it, or takes it to school with them, or kills another student the car owner gets life without parole.

Mikey2u

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 10:08 p.m.

People have a right to own guns, but they have to understand that certain responsibilities go along with gun ownership. I think the following rules should be applied: If they accidently discharge a weapon they loose the right to own weapons for 5 years. If they loose their gun they loose the right to own weapons for 5 years. If their gun is stolen they loose the right to own weapons for 5 years. If they accidently shoot a person they get 5 years in prison. If their stolen gun is used in a crime they go on trial with the criminal as a co-defendant and get the same sentence as the criminal. If their child finds their gun and discharges it, or takes it to school with them, or kills another student the gun owner gets life without parole.

Ricebrnr

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 7:08 p.m.

So women, diabled people, seniors etc who would have no chance against larger more aggressive attackers bent on taking their lives or continuously victimize them? Not to mention multiples of attackers? Life would be how? Not so much, methinks. "To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason. " - Barack Obama And also it is disingenuous to say car and gun comparisons are apples to orange comparisons. Both are tools, manifesting neither intent nor free will. Guns are designed only to take life? Olympians would disagree. Sport shooters the world over that compete against each other at cardboard targets would disagree. Hunters that cull animals, feed their families, might agree at least to animals. Road rage stories abound. Scores more are killed by acts of malice and negligence by those behind the wheel than by guns every day. Vehicles can be and have been driven for hours on end, endangering innocents on the road. Not a day goes by without stories to this affect. And yet the comparison is not apt? Even among gunnies, we have a saying. A 2 ton car beats a 115 grain bullet, hands down. In a confrontation in a vehicle we'd floor the gas not pull the trigger. No change of subject, "assault" weapons are assualt weapons not just firearms. It is the wielder not the tool. Law abiding citizens should have access to any legal tool they wish, be it hammers, screwdrivers, knives, baseball bats, and yes cars and guns because WE ARE LAW ABIDING. When are freedoms are restricted because someone else doesn't like it or what criminals MIGHT DO, someday YOUR freedoms can be restricted too. How then at this basic level, this basic question are the two not comparable?

Mikey2u

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 5:11 p.m.

TFF3, Why only compare cars and guns? Why not compare something equally silly? How about cheeseburgers? Cheeseburgers are full of cholesterol and can kill you. What if someone stole my cheeseburger and forced someone to eat it? Wouldnt I be culpable in they died of a heart attack? Comparing cars and guns isnt cleaver; it just proves you cant defend guns so you try to change the topic. Cars are designed and manufactured to provide transportation. Guns are designed and manufactured to take life. Life without transportation would be impossible. Life without guns would be great.

TFF3

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 3:59 p.m.

I didn't feel attacked, but I am still interested in hearing your answer to my question.

TFF3

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 3:04 p.m.

Mikey2U- Why did you ignore my question? The type of instrument used to kill someone doesn't matter. Both are murder. Whether it's a gun, a car, a baseball bat, or a pencil, they are still dead. I'll ask again- When your car is stolen, and the theif kills someone in a crash while driving your car, you will turn yourself in and take punishment for it? We all know the logical answer is no, which means your initial post is illogical as well.

ronn oneal

Wed, Dec 23, 2009 : 9:51 a.m.

Crack may kill more unborn infants than hand guns. u smart people look that one up and show the numbers. In Illinois, if caught with any drugs and a fire arm, the charge is enhanced to armed violence. That way Drug dealers think twice(if think at all) about Carrying weapon to protect Drugs and Drug money. the min. start at 30yrs. And anyone that already a convicted felon convicted of ire arm has Federal charges to deal with. Dont stop crime but it hurts them to where we wont see him back in biz in a week.

Ricebrnr

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 7:17 p.m.

As to All the guns in Mexico come from the US? BUNK. AT BEST with the data currently available it's maybe 1 in 3. AND all those fully automatic ones, grenades and such we are always shown considering they are tightly regulated and generally not available to civilians on either side of the border, where do you think those come from???? Not from sources available to the general public. http://factcheck.org/2009/05/more-on-mexican-guns/

Ricebrnr

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 7:05 p.m.

Please cite your sources sir. I sure hope the figures came after this recent report regarding how English "gun crime" figures are over 60% under reported. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6073001/Government-claims-of-falling-gun-crime-undermined-by-new-report.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2009/10/27/tories-claim-huge-rise-in-gun-crime-115875-21776163/ Not to mention Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is flawed. In America, a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as guncrimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. To make matters worse, British law enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime figures, in part to preserve tourism.

Mikey2u

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 6:33 p.m.

Ricebrnr, Thanks for proving my point. In the US there are 11.66 gun related deaths per 100,000 people. In England there are 0.38 gun related deaths per 100,000 people. BTW, you misspelled ridiculous sir. DJM12652, Where do you think Mexico gets all of the guns? Yep, they get them from the USA. We send them money and guns, and they send us drugs.

Goodphotographer

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 6:02 p.m.

Mikey2, true about the 5 yrs. When did beatings become cruel and unusual punishment?

Ricebrnr

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 5:42 p.m.

@ Mikey2U, So in countries like England where there is no legal ownership of firearms, the criminals can't be stealing them from citizens... Oh criminals must be manufacturing them....because black markets don't exist even with totalitarian governments. Your statement is both naive and rediculous sir.

djm12652

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 5:31 p.m.

@ezbngreen [aka Kermit?] You are so correct, this situation is somewhat like crime in A2...it's not really crime, but a mis-communication, a mis-understanding and most likely a mis-interpretation of someone's actions...let's all have a group hug now...@Ricebrnr...I think you may be right also, probably a typo! Age is 81? A simple transposition.....

ezbngreen

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 5:19 p.m.

Why is everyone so upset he was out doing some last minutes Christmas shopping and this was all just a big misunderstanding. I hope the judge has a warm and caring heart this holiday and let's him out for the holiday. I am sure his parents are fine upstanding and caring people.

djm12652

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 5:12 p.m.

by the way...is the "alleged" perp on probation for anything?

djm12652

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 5:10 p.m.

mikey2u...yes it's all about accountability. And if someone breaks into my home, I should be held liable if they survive for not keeping up with my target practice. You do know that a great deal of illegal weapons do no come from home robberies, right? but likely more so from foreign entities...ie via Mexico. And 5 years for aiding and abetting? seriously, manslaughter won't even get you 5 years in this state....And anyone that can shoot someone with your Chevy is a better man than I...

Mikey2u

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 4:30 p.m.

If it werent for law abiding gun owners having their guns stolen, criminals would not be armed. And yes, if you steal my Chevy and shoot someone with it then I probably should go to jail too.

TFF3

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 4:17 p.m.

Mikey2u- So you're saying if I stole your car, and killed someone with it, you'd be fine with going to jail? I mean, you should be held accountable when your car is stolen, right?

Mikey2u

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 4:12 p.m.

I hope they can trace this handgun back to its lawful owner and arrest him too. If people want to own handguns they need to be held accountable for when the guns are stolen. The original owner should be charged with aiding and abetting and serve 5 years.

cinnabar7071

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 3:19 p.m.

No charges for the crack?

Ricebrnr

Tue, Dec 22, 2009 : 2:47 p.m.

Hmmm, surely there must be an error in this report. There's a law against concealed carry of firearms especially by those under 21 years of age. Criminals obey laws don't they? But why level the playing field for the rest of us?