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Posted on Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 3:53 p.m.

For Argument's Sake: The great debate about Michigan's season

By Michael Rothstein

We're back with our last Big Ten preview: Michigan. Writers Dave Birkett and Michael Rothstein will, as they have for the past two weeks, jaw back-and-forth with words, parting shots and general opinions about why we selected each team to finish where we did.

Sometimes we'll agree. Other times, we won't.

Dave Birkett: We're down to our last season preview package, but not our last For Argument's Sake. We'll reprise these discussions every week during the season as a way to preview Michigan games. Speaking of the Wolverines ... Predictions are all over the board on what Michigan will do this year. To me, everything comes down to the quarterback position. If Tate Forcier or Denard Robinson can provide some stability there, even be a weapon, Michigan can be a halfway decent team. If they play like the true freshmen they are, it could be another long season in Ann Arbor. The defense will be fine, not great. And the rest of the offense could be dangerous. But everything comes down to the quarterback.

Michael Rothstein: I can't disagree. Quarterback play is so essential in what Rich Rodriguez likes to run offensively. And in college football, if you can't put up 21 points a game consistently, you're just not going to be very good. Here's the good/bad news for Michigan here when it comes to whichever true freshman quarterback ends up starting: The first four games are at home. Yes, Michigan would probably have liked to flip woebegone Eastern Michigan into its first game instead of MAC-contending Western Michigan, but it is still a chance for whomever starts to have at least some comfort level before traveling to the land of Sparty. The worst thing Rodriguez could do early is flip-flop on his quarterbacks. He'll need to pick a guy and stick with him for a bit if for nothing else than to give everyone else a comfort level around him. Trust me, I saw the musical quarterback nightmare a couple years ago in South Bend. It wasn't pretty. Defensively, to me, is also an interesting question because there's a lot of youth back there in the secondary. Against Western Michigan and Notre Dame, that could be problematic early. What do you think?

DB: Neither of those games is a gimme, but if you want to be a bowl team you've got to beat other mediocre teams on your home field. That said, the Western game is especially big from a psyche standpoint. After losing to Appalachian State and Toledo the last two years, I'm not sure how fans would take another loss to a MAC team, even if this one's pretty good. Losing to Notre Dame would be more palatable (even taking into account that program's tailspin), but considering the schedule in October and beyond, I wouldn't recommend it. By that time Michigan will have settled on a quarterback - Forcier's the frontrunner, but don't count out Robinson, whose athletic ability plays better in a Rich Rodriguez offense - but it could start showing cracks elsewhere because of its depth problems.

MR: For Michigan to be a bowl team, like you said, they've got to beat mediocre teams. And that means the Wolverines need to be 3-1 after four weeks. Being undefeated is probably too much to ask from a team still trying to find its way with a freshman quarterback. As to settling on a quarterback, Michigan better do it much earlier than October, as I mentioned before. Multi-quarterback systems, unless it's a situation where one guy is a pure passer and the other guy is an option/spread guy, don't usually work. Beyond quarterback, I'm thinking the secondary is the key concern. Is Boubacar Cissoko able to step into the starting lineup and be effective as a cornerback? Or will teams pick on him to stay away from fast-emerging Donovan Warren. There's a ton of youth back there, too. As for different positions, it's generally a bad thing when your most stable position is punter. Yet going into fall camp, that's probably an accurate statement. To be fair, running back isn't too bad, either.

DB: Defensive line is the other big concern for me. There's not much depth up front, and beyond Brandon Graham, no one's proven up there. Graham's going to see a lot of double teams this year, so Michigan needs production from some of its other linemen. Mike Martin's a good bet to have a breakout season, but he's a true sophomore so I'm not going to expect the world from him just yet. Brandon Herron's another guy to watch as Michigan needs a pass-rushing threat out of that "quick" end position. In the bigger picture, what does Rodriguez have to do this year to prove he's the right man for the job?

MR: Simple. Get to a bowl game. Much like Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, USC and Alabama, these programs just don't tolerate two seasons of ineptitude in a row. A bowl game would show progress and that Rodriguez's system is on the right track. It doesn't have to be a BCS game (the talent level in Ann Arbor just isn't there yet) but a holiday trip somewhere warm could do the trick. A trip to Detroit, I suppose, would work too -- but that would be a no-win situation for Michigan against a MAC team. The one thing I'll preach here is patience. No matter what happens this season, I'll be shocked if there isn't some inconsistency. It wouldn't stun me to see this team upset a Michigan State or Iowa and lose to a team they shouldn't. That said, there are only three, definite, lock-it-up wins on the schedule (Eastern Michigan, Delaware State and Indiana).

DB: I don't know if the Motor City Bowl and all the Little Caesars you can eat will satisfy Michigan fans. And if I'm working on my daughter's first Christmas, send me to Arizona for the Insight Bowl at least. But you're right that Michigan and Rodriguez need to show progress this year in the form of making a bowl game. Even with a freshman quarterback (Forcier, presumably), I think they will. I've got Michigan starting the season 4-1 with a swing game Week 2 against Notre Dame. The second half of the schedule is brutal. Delaware State and Purdue are wins, but all the toss-up games (Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois) are on the road. If they can pull off one of those they finish 7-5 and, with a respectable showing but another loss to Ohio State, ride some momentum into next year.

MR: The Name-Change bowl might not satisfy Michigan fans, but it should. Remember, this is a work in progress at Michigan. Rodriguez just didn't have the right players last season for his system and the spread is so radically different from what Michigan ran in the past that it is going to take a while. That said, I also see the Wolverines bowl-bound this season. Western Michigan is going to be a closer game than most fans would probably like, but Michigan will pull away late. Notre Dame is a loss. It'll be a rough season for Michigan despite the bowl prediction. The Wolverines will be under .500 -- 4-5 -- entering November after a loss at Illinois. But they'll be bowl-qualified after beating Purdue and winning at Wisconsin. I say a 6-6 regular season (wins over Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Indiana, Delaware State, Purdue and at Wisconsin) and, sorry dude, but a trip to the Motor City Bowl. Dave Birkett and Michael Rothstein cover Michigan for annarbor.com. They can be reached at davidbirkett@annarbor.com and michaelrothstein@annarbor.com.

Comments

raddes

Tue, Aug 11, 2009 : 5:57 p.m.

Let me get this straight NoBowl...you call them as you see them?? Well, so do I...How or why do you call yourself an MSU fan when you commented on all the OSU articles?? Oh yeah, your girlfriend! Or maybe you're just as in love with OSU as Dantonio is considering he forgets how to coach against that team every year. Whatever....

Kubrick66

Tue, Aug 11, 2009 : 1:48 p.m.

As bad as the 08 team was they were within 10 points or less in the 4th quarter in 11 of the 12 games. With improved QB play, a solid OL, senior leadership at RB... And a year in the system. There's no reason to believe that this team can't win 7 games minimum. Yes, that's minimum. And the defense... Well the best defense is a better offense. GO BLUE!

NoBowl4Blue

Tue, Aug 11, 2009 : 8:21 a.m.

As a Spartan fan and football fan I call them as I see them. My girlfriend goes to OSU so I get to see them as well. I haven't said anything the experts haven't said already. OSU & PSU look to the the Big Tens best. MSU coming in 3rd. Like it or not the league needs Michigan to return to respectability however with a new QB, questionable defense and lack of depth it won'tbe this year. 6 or 7 wins max. The most important gameof the year will ne Western Michigan as it will tell a lot.

tater

Tue, Aug 11, 2009 : 4:59 a.m.

About those four "toss-up" road games: MSU- How quickly people forget history. One good year and all of a sudden MSU is better than UM. Horse pucky. Iowa- I agree on this one. It smells like a loss and I can't rationalize my way around my nose this time. Illinois- Ron Zook caught the Big Ten by surprise with his version of the spread, but he is still the same coach who lost five games a year at Florida with the same talent Urban Meyer used to win a National Championship. I'm looking for more "ill" than "noise" this season. Wisky- I originally thought they would lose this one, but, as Yogi Berra might say, "Wisky ain't Wisky anymore." If they continue their downward spiral, this could be a blowout, especially considering that they couldn't beat the worst UM team in the last forty years last year. I think they go at least 2-2, and possibly 3-1 in these games.

raddes

Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 8:55 p.m.

How astute NoBowl to post Michigan losses to all their respected rivals. You're a genius! Just like these observations: "OSU just seems to reload, they will be interesting to watch," "they are the class of the Big Ten ever since the sweater vest arrived. They own Michigan," "He's a stud and anybody who says he can't pass is blind." So let me get this straight, you waited for the Ann Arbor news to post articles about OSU so you could post your "homer" comments? Why don't you go to the Columbus Dispatch to post your winning observation such as, "They expect to win thats why it is so sweet to knock them off we you can." That OSU education in journalism seems to be paying off! What the heck is that? By the way, get a clue, it's not about the b10 anymore for OSU. Its about respect nationally. OSU getting their clocks cleaned the last few years only makes your team and coach look incompetent. Especially when the "sweater vest" hasn't won a meaningful non conference (along with the bowl games) since Texas (06). And please, save me the "at least we got there" and "you lost to Toledo/App St." comments. Only OSU fans think their losses are somehow better. Guess what, a loss is a loss. And finally, 2002 was 7 years ago, your window on a NC is officially closed. Dave and Mike, you're pretty accurate however I'm holding out for 8 wins (I know this is a stretch). The one aspect I think that helps this year is that this is now RR's team. Last year, there was too much miscommunication or lack thereof between staff and players which led to a non cohesive unit. I think this is what led to unbelievable losses to Purdue, Toledo, and Northwestern; otherwise, they finish 6-6 last year. RR has his players (and more to come), his scheme in place, and a team that should show marked improvement in the upcoming season. 8-4

azwolverine

Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 8:38 p.m.

Michigan MAY lose to ND and MSU, but no way those are sure losses. Neither of those teams are world beaters. OSU is obviously very good, and much better than either of the other two teams mentioned. That said, Michigan is a very difficult team to predict because of the youth at QB and the new D coordinator. With 10 starters back on O, thought, that side of the ball is bound to be better than last season. Also, despite being new, Robinson appears to be an upgrade over Shafer at D coordinator. Let's just hope that RR's usual year two improvement holds true this season with Michigan.

NoBowl4Blue

Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 7:39 p.m.

No way Michigan wins more than 6 or 7. They will lose to ND, MSU and OSU.

stan

Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 6:37 p.m.

Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but I see 9 wins on the schedule. It's imperative that they start out 4-0 for this prediction to come true, and I think it will. Michigan probably should have beat Notre Dame last year if they had been able to hold onto the ball. They will also have to split on the road with the two most likely wins being State and Wisconsin. Iowa at night will be a very tough game. So that gets us to six. Purdue and Delaware State should be gimmes. At eight wins, that leaves us with (We Own (except for last year)) Penn State and Ohio State. Michigan will be competitive against both, and I think they will win at least one of the two. The o-line is going to be significantly better, and the qb play HAS to be better. The running game will be the strength and Tate will make defenses respect the passing game.

jimtrashel

Mon, Aug 10, 2009 : 3:52 p.m.

We might lose to Penn St. and/or Illinois. Other than that, ALL WINS!! Maybe a BCS bowl, but a big-time bowl nonetheless. Go Blue!! Come on people, we have unreal talent this year. Freshman QB, Smeshman QB, blah. TateRob will rock!!! Like I said, Gooooooo Bluuuuuueeeeeeeee!