RobbiesBoyfriend

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 8:26 a.m.

@Jarhead The spread is neither new or magical. Used to be called the run n shoot, west coast, Pistol, run n gun and has been around for id guess 30 years. The gimmics in hs and many college schools are based on pure speed and athleticism. They are based o0n theories that "Speed Kills" and are Kung Fu like in their ability to pick on a single weak point and exploit a miss match all day long. Real easy to find in high school and still pretty easy to find a soft spot in D-1AA or small market (Big east, Big Sky, Conf usa, Mac)majors. However in the big six conferences those weak links are well hidden in an ever changing defensive scheme or backed up by game players off the bench. In the big six conferences you still see the spread, but its not the same spread as the ones you see at your local HS or the one run by oooohg dare i say West Virginia. Many people think "Well florida runs a spread, so our spread is sure to win". Wrong. Florida is a school stacked 3 deep with the best talent in the nation. they also have incredible Size to go with their freakish Speed. Florida runs a spread, but also can pound the rock all day long. The problem with the Spread lies in its very definition, in its own name. when your spread only team has made its way to the 15 yard line, the field "Compresses" and there is none of the free space you had when you were standing on the 50. so if you are a "Speed kills" team, now its time to put your boots on and go to work. swimg pass left wont work at this point, Tripple Option right wont work either, Shovel pass is a no-go, and so is the slant. Now what do you do? So whats the solution? easy, Big Fat 330 Lb offensive linemen. well, lets say 330lb tackles, 250Lb Guards, and a 6'3 Center. You also need to trade your slot receivers in for Tight ends, trade your shifty guy in for a Pocket passer, and send (Tailback)_Barry sanders to the bench and bring in (Full back) Touchdown Tommy Vardell (You don't remember him) to take the inside hand-off to the promise land. The key to success is Balance. and Rodriguezes "Speed kills" spread only mentality is anything but. How does it make you feel when the ABC announcers are calling the plays as rich rod is sending them in? I hate it! Now jar head, i want to hear your take on the spread.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 7:35 a.m.

@ MarineBlue Yet another example of a coach (Tommy Bowden) who tears it up in some Podunk mid major conference usa school (Tulane) and when he makes it into the bigs (Clemson, ACC) falls flat on his face (Quit mid season). Now im not saying that no school should hire a big name from the small schools, but it goes to show you can run the tables with a gimmick offense and a super talented QB in the minor leagues, but that crap doesn't fly in prime time Actually neither Pat white nor Shaun King were really as great as their stats would lead a casual reader to think they are. they took advantage of an offense only league that commonly featured 60 and 70 point games. not that there's anything wrong with that. Highlights of the 07 WVU season: 62-24 (86pts), 48-23 (71pts), 31-14 (45pts), 48-7 (55pts), 55-14 (69pts), 38-13 (51pts), 38-31 (69pts), 66-21 (87pts), 48-28 (76pts) Interesting note, they lost the 2 games that were not shootouts with combined scores of 34 and 22pts. Thank you for pointing that out by the way;)

Jarhead

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 6:18 a.m.

No one is giving RR a free pass on the win-loss record. It is just maybe we can see the reasons why. Those are not excuses, but there are reasons. RR did not inherit a 9&4 team. Did you forget how many graduated and left for the pros? That team was full of experience seniors and juniors. Each year the team is different. Case in point-- the 97 team and the 98 team--different. About the "system". Funny how so many high schools and colleges ues the spread. I don't believe it works well for the pros. Now can any of you tell me why the spread works so well in college. 8 out of the top 10 teams the last two years used the spread, or some form thereof. The responses should be interesting. I'm looking for football facts and theories here.

Jarhead

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 6:07 a.m.

There is a differance between responsible and accountable. Those that commit the offense are responsible for their actions and no one else. Those in charge are accountable to a higher athuority. Coach Rod and David Brandon both stated that they are accountable and it is their resposibilty to rectify the problem. This theory that the coach is resposible is a well overused song that people sing when they want to discredit someone. If you had someone in your employ, you are not Resposible for their actions. Labadie agreed with the compl dept to keep the same systems in place as was with coach Carr. So why didn't he keep his word? That goes to his personal integrity. Sorry, good guy or not, Brad is RESPONSIBLE!

Jarhead

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 5:58 a.m.

azwolverine-----correct, Labadie is not responsible for the 8-16 record. No where in the article did I see that stated. The article is about the Ncaa investigation though. And what was labadie's role in all this? And Draper's role for that matter. The University can hardly fire him as it would open them up for a lawsuit. This is Ann Arbor you know. You bet he was pressured to leave. Aren't you just a tad mad about all this? (not filling out reports, reports lacking info etc) I don't understand the selective hatred of only one man,RR. I also don't understand detractors and their persistant ignorance of facts presented by the university.

marineblue

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 5:17 a.m.

talking about a spin... half of them bounced under RR then you name 2 players???..LOL well, which is it??? the fact of the matter is that these recruited players were no longer available when the new coach took over. have you ever heard of the word depth. none of which RR had. role players??? if these guys were all role players why was LC's recruiting classes ranked so high? also, explain why RR had to play walk-ons if the team was so stocked. bottom line is RR is still the coach and labadie lost his job. the fact that you don't like RR puts a smile on my face. it will be interesting to see what screen name you come back as in mid october... @robbiesboyfriend, you might want to tell shaun king that RR can't adjust to his skill set. BTW, how many yards passing and how many games did king win at tulane?

RobbiesBoyfriend

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 1:25 a.m.

@ MarineBlue "RR met w/ him and told him that he would tailor his offense to match mallets skill set" Rodriguez cannot tailor his system to for anybody, actually the only person who fits his system is Pat White, and unless Pat gets 5 more years of eligibility and comes to play for michigan i dont think his system has a chance. RR has never been able to adjust to anyone, he also has no idea how to make halftime adjustments to his play calling. On Topic: Do any of you guys buy that Labadie quit to go be a salesman somewhere was his own call? head of football operations at michigan, but decides to go be an account rep for an insurance company makes no sence. I mean come on, Account rep sounds like middle managment to me. and the whole "I want to be with my family" excuse makes it even less believable because i dont know of a harder job with more stress and hours than sales. selling insurance in this economy is a job i do not envy.

3 And Out

Fri, Jul 16, 2010 : 12:54 a.m.

e.germany j.mckinney j.sears c.richards c.mclaurin j.kates c.mixon q.patilla q.woods a.chambers m.evans m.witherspoon t.hill. LOL...talk about SPIN! Half the players on your list bounced out under RR (Witherspoon, Patilla etc) and some even played under him (Chambers for example)... the other half left long before RR and shouldnt even be counted... ALL of them are non factors and role players at BEST. Keep reaching though... and tell me: Is that all you gots? bring it on if you do...very flimsy pro RR stuff as coach Bill Parcels famously said: You are what your record says you are. 7 BCS wins, 16 losses, 1 non BCS win. 3 BT wins in 2 seasons. Last Place. Rich Rod.

marineblue

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 6:41 p.m.

sure thing 3and out. defensive players from 2005 - 2008 that were gone before RR took over that would have been at least jrs in '08: e.germany j.mckinney j.sears c.richards c.mclaurin j.kates c.mixon q.patilla q.woods a.chambers m.evans m.witherspoon t.hill. not too mention the graduation of hart, henne, and long. manningham and arrington leaving early for the pros and mallet who would have left no matter who was the coach. RR met w/ him and told him that he would tailor his offense to match mallets skill set but he had made up his mind to leave. once patrino was hired at arkansas, there wasn't anything RR could do. it is not so much that there wasn't any talent, the depth issue is the key reason that people say the cupboard was bare. weak recruiting, small classes, and no recruiting of the safety and corner back position also lead to this conclusion. attrition and no qb plus all the other things that i have posted says that the cupboard was bare for RR and staff.

3 And Out

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 2:03 p.m.

The Day after LC lead his team to victory over Florida, thus ending his illustrious career as UM head coach... he left in the cupboard: A 9-4 team that had just beaten the defending NC Florida 122-40 career record Tons of winning streaks over BT opponents including rivals MSU and PSU Tons of historic winning streaks dating back to the late 60s A returning QB who had starting experience...2 returning RBs with starting experience...4 starters on the OL...starting TE...2 starting WRs... 7 returning starters on defense... a long list of top 10 and top 15 recruiting classes. Lloyd left the cupboard pretty stocked...anyone who disagrees with this refuses to look at the truth, the facts and has blinders on. As for Rich Rod...whatever happened to that roster and all of those winning streaks after he came in... well he has to take the blame for most of it...either through his incompetence, mismanagement, naievity, dedication to jamming his "system" down the programs toilet or whatever the excuse is...the fact is that Lloyd left the program in very very good shape. As for Labadie... part fall guy, partly accountable... He is making the proper choice from moving on from this mess...RR is probably on the short list to join him if this season doesnt work out...which it most likely will not.

marineblue

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 11:49 a.m.

azwolverine, this article isn't about RR or LC. you bring up toledo, i'll bring up appy st. please explain that?? RR is responsible for the 8 - 16 and no one has stated anything different. for you to say that the cupboard was stocked is laughable. MGOBLOG says you don't have any idea what you are talking about in the diary Decimated Defense Part I - III. read it and inform yourself instead of making ridiculous statements because YOU don't like the coach. also, the comp dept told RR that stretching did not count towards countable hours. when RR found out that it did count he made the proper corrections. why so much incompetence in the comp dept? why did labadie and scott draper not do their jobs? it took more than 18 months to file needed paperwork and THAT is unacceptable. who leaked this info to the FR33P?? i am sure that it wasn't RR... lastly, MGOBLOG is free and it fully details the timeline of these events. BTW, azwolverine nothing personal...LOL

RobbiesBoyfriend

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 11:09 a.m.

Brandon runs Dominoes into the ground, Now lets see what he can do with the michigan athletic department. Why exactly do we like Dave Brandon?

Yelmonian

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 10:30 a.m.

RR is innocent! Heck... it's Labadie's fault that WVU wasn't in compliance also! Geesh... RR has no blame whatsoever. He is innocent! Has framed! He's the coach, and he shares blame.

John-Maize Blueblood

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 9:24 a.m.

Not one of the so-called RR Supporters has ever argued that RR was completely blameless for the current situation of the football program. Our position has always been that RR Haters have not been reasonable in giving the guy a fair chance considering all the other elements/parties/circumstances that have played a direct or indirect role in the situation.

azwolverine

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 8:19 a.m.

Labadie is not responsible for 8-16...RR is. As the head coach, he IS ACCOUNTABLE for that. If not, why do we need him as the head coach? Some RR defenders hold him blameless for everything, including wins and losses (and don't tell me 'bare cupboard' because it doesn't explain Toledo). If RR is not accountable or responsible for anything that goes on within the program, then let's get a coach who will be accountable and responsible because, dammit, that's a head coach's job.

John-Maize Blueblood

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 7:48 a.m.

Well Jarhead and Marineblue! I see that we are having a Jarheads family reunion on this blog. Its amazing how I read on a post the other day that Coach Rod was having a good ole time playing golf with David Brandon and others. In the meantime, some other folks are either retiring or resigning. I like Coach Carr and I really do appreciate everything that he has done for Michigan football. I dont know much about Labadie other than the recent news that I have read on this site and others. Therefore, I will refrain from passing any judgments on him. However, it seems to me that the house is either being cleaned up, being revamped, or otherwise being put in order somehow in order to start the reunification process of the Michigan football family. I think I can see some better days in the horizon for the football program. I just cant wait for September 4th to get here.

Forever27

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 7:32 a.m.

@nobowl4blue. These guys were Carr leftovers. You seem to troll every message board blaming Rodriguez for all the world's problems, but this was distinctly Labadie and Draper not doing their job in the compliance office. Find a new scapegoat.

timeatwork

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 6:59 a.m.

so, just because the team was non-compliant before RR means its not his fault that they continued to be non-compliant? did the team over practice in 2007, or just fail to turn in cara reports? when did the cheating begin regaurdless of when the team fell into non-compliance with the reports? All a moot point...5-7 season and papers for RR.

Jarhead

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 6:18 a.m.

Another thought before i go to work. In the report, Brad not only failed to send in reports, he apparantly is responsible for the players practicing over on mondays. The way it is reported, and My understanding, is the warm-up time was consisitantly not added in with the practice times and always on mondays. If Les Miles or Jim Harbaugh or Brian Kelly had come here, the result would have been the same. But then what would the RR haters have said then? Who WOULD they hold accountable?

Jarhead

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 5:58 a.m.

marineblue Welcome home! I agree, in the corps you were expected to do the best and you were well motivated. You didn't need someone sitting on your shoulders to do your job. It goes to integrity! The coaches job is to train football players. Yet a lot of posters think the coaches should know everything that is going on 24/7 with their players, their staff, the universities staff, etc. etc. If indeed RR should be doing everone else's job, then we need to get rid of a whole bunch of people and save the U some money. Oh, by the way. Went through the stadium on wed during the open house, awesome! Getting me stoked for sept to get here.

Jarhead

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 5:45 a.m.

barns378----"As if this means anything. Brad did a fine job at Mich" Seriosly? Imagine you own a manufacturing company and you have people you pay to monitor and fill out paperwork for the EPA. And for over 18 months, they are not doing it and the EPA fines you. Are you happy? Did they do a "fine" job?

Jarhead

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 5:40 a.m.

15crown00----"he fell on the sword meant for Richard Rd" Ya he did. He failed to submitt reports after being hounded by the Comp Dept for almost 2 years. Said repeatedly that the reports would be ready the next day, the next meeting, just finishing up, just getting the last of the senior's signatures, etc. And all this after agreeing with the Comp Dept to keep systems in place and make the transition for RR as smooth as possible.

15crown00

Thu, Jul 15, 2010 : 1:31 a.m.

he fell on the sword meant for Richard Rod.

barnz378

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 11:10 p.m.

As if this means anything. Brad did a fine job at Michigan.

Paco12054

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 9:53 p.m.

Did anyone notice in the USA Today article that "Brandon said he "doubts" that Labadie will go to Seattle because he is no longer a part of U-M's program." Hmmm.

marineblue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 9:29 p.m.

edit: RR is some what at fault.

marineblue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 8:21 p.m.

yo jarhead, could you see something like this happening in our beloved USMC? yes, i could but, the proper heads would roll and DB is making that happen. RR is not at fault. in my opinion, he trusted the AD way too much. for him to be so naive to think that the fix wasn't in on him is foolish. too much of a country boy but that doesn't mean that he isn't a good fit. it is nice to finally have a REAL person and citizen coaching the team. he is a regular guy and that is what i appreciate. all of this info is public record and has been documented. you can choose to read, understand, and believe, or be a normal american citizen and have you head firmly planted in the sand... ps. other schools would never throw stones because it happens everywhere. most schools have their alums under control and that is what DB is doing. they can all stand by because either you are IN or out! PSS. shout out to tressel because he spoke out in favor of RR because he believes he can bring U of M back.. semper fi devil dog.

michboy40

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 8:10 p.m.

I don't think this guy did anything different in his 10 years, but it was swept under the carpet and nobady cared. That is why LC was VERY careful about who talked to the media and who didn't. RR preferred a more open system, coupled with his haters this was bound to happen.

Jarhead

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 8:03 p.m.

marineblue I agree with you. I've read the mgoblog article and the timeline of events. What people don't get is there are 7 people named and 5 of them were already employed here, already drawing a paycheck, and already supposed to be doing their jobs. If I was the new coach coming in, I would have assumed they were actually doing the jobs they were being paid to do. My beef is with the compliance dept. The director had not gotten any reports from fall of 2007 through summer of 2009. Why wait that long? Did she think those reports weren't important? She goes to RR and he sees that she gets her reports in a week. Problem---- those filling out the reports did not fill them out completly or correctly. Thats okay, the Ncaa won't mind. RR might not be faultless here. But I don't think he went around and told everyone to break the rules. At other schools, when they go over in practice time, at the next years practice they are docked 2 hours for every 1 hour they went over. And that has happened at lot of schools. Funny thing is you do not see any other coaches throwing stones at Mich for this. They don't want the Ncaa looking at them. Everyone is keeping a low profile. I will be surprised if the Ncaa tries to make an example of Mich, to intimidate other schools.

marineblue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 7:59 p.m.

sure your right goblueinnepa.... all you do is stir the pot. playing devil's advocate is lame and that is all you do. it took this clown labadie, 18 months to file the proper paper work. why is that???? as i posted, he did the same thing during LC's tenure. please adjust your tinfoil hat you are getting bad reception... as usual. whether he was trying to set up RR or not, he was not doing his job. next up on the list: scott draper if he is not GONE already... facts are the facts and MGOBLOG lays them ALL out! so does rivals and scout. refute that....

marineblue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 6:48 p.m.

@gettingbluer: if.....and that is a big if you knew what you were talking about YOU would KNOW that the missing cara reports date back to 2007... RR assumed his position in 2008. REAL FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS.... yeah, that is right! 2007 when LC was the coach of our beloved wolverines. all you people that are too cheap to purchase a subscription to rivals/scout.com or too lazy to log on to MGOBLOG, should refrain from making any negative comments regarding RR and the ncaa investigation. do some research before you comment. KNOWLEDGE is power.. do not rely on the FR33P or AA.com to provide TRUE and accurate information. brian @ mgoblog does an outstanding job of explaining the details of this situation:( names named heads should roll). check out the diary, you might learn something.

GettingBluer

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 6:29 p.m.

Funny...8 years doing his job without any problems and 2 with problems. I wonder what changed? Too bad he was made a scapegoat and the responsible incompetent party is still employed.

truebluefan

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 6:02 p.m.

georgegoright - You can be a "good guy" and still stink at your job.

marineblue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 4:50 p.m.

if you had a rivals/scout account or regularly visited MGOBLOG you would know that this is old news. hate for someone to LOSE their job but, this man is one of the people directly responsible for the ncaa investigation. he put his loyalties to a person and a certain group of people ABOVE the institution. no one man is larger than the University of Michigan and its football team. as they say, you reap what you sow. had he been true to the current coach and his staff, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. DB is holding true to his statement. he will eradicate the anti RR factions and unite the fans, alumni, and boosters...

georgegoright

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 4:39 p.m.

Too bad. Brad I have heard, is a good guy. Wish him well in whatever is next. My guess he is the fall guy, as NoBowl stated.

Sean T.

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 4:11 p.m.

Wow, I guess this is house cleaning huh?

NoBowl4Blue

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 3:43 p.m.

Somebody had to be the fall guy for Rich Rod.

Forever27

Wed, Jul 14, 2010 : 2:41 p.m.

Now he's going to Blue Cross & Blue Shield where he can screw up paperwork there too.