You are viewing this article in the archives. For the latest breaking news and updates in Ann Arbor and the surrounding area, see
Posted on Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 2:38 p.m.

Jalen Rose not happy with Mary Sue Coleman's recent Fab Five banner stance

By Nick Baumgardner

Mary Sue Coleman has no immediate intentions of re-raising Michigan basketball's removed banners.

And Jalen Rose isn't exactly thrilled about it.

The former Michigan basketball star took to Twitter on Thursday in response to the University of Michigan president's comments in a recent Michigan Daily article about the four banners exiled from the Crisler Center, two of which are the 1992 and 1993 Final Four banners.

"I saw that U of Michigan has no plans to put back up our hoops banners," Rose tweeted. "Should I do like most of its former BBallers & never return?"


Former Michigan standout Jalen Rose was welcomed back to Crisler Arena last March, but school president Mary Sue Coleman said the two Final Four teams he played on will not get their banners back in the arena's rafters. file photo

Michigan removed four banners from the Crisler Center rafters in 2002 in the wake of the Ed Martin scandal. Two of them are directly tied to the famed "Fab Five" recruiting class, which included Rose and Chris Webber.

An investigation revealed Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor and Louis Bullock received a total of $616,000 from Martin.

Technically, Michigan can return the two Fab Five's 1992 and 1993 Final Four banners to its rafters in 2013, when the school's disassociation period with Webber ends.

During a fireside chat with students Wednesday, Coleman said "I don't think they'll ever go back up."

Rose followed up his initial tweet with the following:

"Or should I ask for the $250k I donated for my Endowed Scholarship back & move it to another school? Stay tuned."

Neither Rose, nor fellow Fab Fivers Jimmy King, Ray Jackson or Juwan Howard were present in January when Michigan held a dedication ceremony for its new William Davidson Player Development Center.

A call placed by to Rose's representation seeking further comment was not immediately returned.

Nick Baumgardner covers Michigan basketball for He can be reached at 734-623-2514, by email at and followed on Twitter @nickbaumgardner.

Want to stay connected to Wolverine basketball in your Facebook newsfeed? “Like”'s Michigan Basketball News & Views.



Sat, Apr 14, 2012 : 10:25 a.m.

If Jalen really can't understand this, then he shouldn't return. He doesn't have to like it (most of us don't), but I, for one, am proud that my school stands for something.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 11:03 p.m.

does anyone posting know how many banners we are talking about and what they honored.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 8:56 p.m.

Outstanding point, mun...... Let us not forget, however, the efforts of Mike Griffin! Glen Rice is my all time favorite though...


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 7 p.m.

To me the real Fab 5 are Glenn Rice, Terry Mills, Rumeal Robinson, Loy Vaught, and Sean Higgins of the 1989 National Championship team.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 5:58 p.m.

the current basketball program needs the influence that jalen can provide. put the banners up / welcome the fabs back/ move forward. we cheered them when they were here------ why be vindictive so many years later.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 4:55 p.m.

Please don't forget that because of these players taking money, the basketball program suffered for over a decade and is just now coming back.....why revisit this by putting the banners back up......Rose needs to get over it.......


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 2 p.m.

I don't agree with Jalen's comments... He's being emotional about an extremely emotional topic and will think better of his comments at a later date I'm sure. That was a team that earned the right to have those banners hung. Only one player on that team broke NCAA rules and that shouldn't discount the other members time and effort. This is part of UofM basketball history and always will be. Acknowledge it, hang them and move on...


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:58 p.m.

Mr. Rose should stop acting like a spoiled child and spare us his pique and public tantrums. His threat to withdraw the scholarship is empty: monetary gifts once given to an institution (and for which he undoubtedly took a tax write-off) cannot be returned. In making this threat, he is only reviling the students for whom the scholarship is intended to benefit. If he so greatly values these old pieces of cloth (and the two decades worth of wreckage of the basketball program they symbolize), I suggest that the university give them to him so that he can hang them in his own home and ascribe whatever meaning he wants to confer on them.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:12 p.m.

They were kids,they were used. Forgive move on.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 12:51 p.m.

I understand Steve Smith and Mateen Cleaves also took money from same source. How about Alfred Taubman and recently Wilpon. Those does not count? It is only white person crime, highrollers right?

Calvert T. Hoskins I

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 12:28 p.m.

I agree with PonyCar only one Fab Five is guilty of any wrong doing and the banners should be hung back up, Mary Sue cannot have it both ways except Jalen's money but say his accomplishment meant nothing or is tainted, that in itself is a crime. And Michigan like any other University is not spotless we are just the Leaders and Best and should act like it at all times even when one of or several of are own make a mistake! Forgiveness goes a long way especially if it were you that needed forgiveness. This entire mess should be forgiven and everyone should move on!


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 12:11 p.m.

We live in the greatest country in the world, and our public universities are the greatest accomplishment of our society. If Jalen does not like the way the University is run, he can run for Regent as either a Democrat, Republican or Independent.

Ricardo Queso

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 12:03 p.m.

Cut him a check and send him on his way. $250k, while a large sum to a majority of us, is small potatoes when viewed in the context of the entire endowment.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 11:09 a.m.

The scandal and the deleterious effects left on UM's basketball program were not worth the two years of the Fab Five. President Coleman should not cave to an ultimatum to put the banners back up; we don't need to be reminded.

Scott Laux

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 3:59 a.m.

Frack the Fab Five. Wish the whole rotten bunch had never played at Michigan.

Seasoned Cit

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 3:37 a.m.

Someone needs to remind Jalen that if he asks for the money back he'll have to pay taxes on the donation. With all the red ink budgets in DC I wonder how long it will be before the IRS gets smart and says that contributions to the athletic Dept (such as the Victor's Club) are not tax deductible. How much of those dollars really go to providing an education for the athletes.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 2:58 a.m.

I agree with Jalen on the banners, but I think I disagree with him taking his money back. The University made millions off the marketing of those kids, and they all kept their noses clean, accept Webber, and even that was done mostly after he knew he was going pro. The teams in that era had dozens of other players who deserve credit, and the banners represent all of them, not just the few who took money. As for C Webb, I forgave him a long time ago. He was an 18 year old kid who made a stupid mistake. He was sick and tired of watching the University make truck loads of money from the sweat of his brow. Can't say I blame him.

Gretchen Ridenour

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 2:53 a.m.

I think that some people are missing the boat here. This is not about Jalen-bashing, NCAA rules, the Ed Martin scandal, nor Jalen's contribution to Michigan basketball. Rather, this about the integrity of a man with who is threatening to request reimbursement of his donation to a scholarship endowment because he is in disagreement with University Administration. A man of integrity would be proud of the positive impact his donation is having on current students, and keep these 2 issues separate.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:06 a.m.

People people, the NCAA set the standard a couple of years ago. C Webbs parents took the money and C webb had no idea. Therefore no violation ever occurred. Just like Cam Newton. Mitch ALbom has stated on several occasions that C Webb had little to no money when he was around for nearly a year writing the book about the fab five. Plus Cleeves took Ed Martin money per grand jury testimoney and moo u has no plans to take down their banner. Put the banners back up and give the NCAA a salute like the buck nuts.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:02 a.m.

Fab Five Forever! Go Blue! v


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 11:09 p.m.

Jalen Rose made a big donation. He personally is guilty by association or otherwise innocent. If it were my money, I too would be upset so I think Mary Sue Coleman and Dave Brandon need to fix or resolve this issue with Jalen.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 10:37 p.m.

Since the UofM is SO against the "Fab Five" and their violations, they shouldn't accept the hundreds of thousands of $$$ that Chris Webber & Jalen Rose give for scholarships. No one at the university comments on that!


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:29 p.m.

How is the money dirty??????

Scott Laux

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 4:01 a.m.

We shouldn't. It's dirty money from dirty players.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 11:07 p.m.

You seem to be the first poster who has gotten this right: Jalen Rose donated $250K, no small chunk of change. If it were my money, I too would be upset.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 10:05 p.m.

I am surprised to see the vitriol directed at Jalen here. First of all, I don't think he was ever accused of taking money or breaking any serious rules as a student, and he has done a tremendous amount of good for the University community as a former student-athlete. If the banners have "served their time", put them back up. There is no reason to turn the disassociation period into a life sentence. And winning the NCAA Regional certainly IS a championship, and one to be proud of. Thanks Jalen, and GO BLUE!


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 9:34 p.m.

Webber...a child being pursued and handled by cunning businessmen, fell, made a mistake. Yes, it was wrong, but a life sentence...PLEASE!!! What message is MSC really sending? And CW didn't commit a crime, he violated a NCAA rule that basically says; while you're a college star athlete, only the universities are allowed to profit from your talents in exchange for a scholarship. However, non-athletic students can borrow or take money and gifts from whomever.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 9:21 p.m.

If even PART of the documentary on Big 10 Network about the Fab Five was accurate...the university should hang the banner. The letters that were sent to these young men were outrageous. For the first time ever it made me ashamed to be an alum. The very least that should be done is to hang the banner and move on.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 11:01 p.m.

I agree that we should be ashamed, just as Jalen should be ashamed about researching his opponents so that he could "trash talk" them about something personal and difficult in their lives. Live by the sword........ Trash talking is ok because its a cultural issue?---c'mon

Ed daggett

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 9:05 p.m.

How many buildings have Al Taubman's name on them & he was sent to Federal Prison. I guess the check Jalen wrote was not big enough. Time for MSC and LC to move away

Gretchen Ridenour

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 9:04 p.m.

Grow up Jalen. You'll always be known as part of the Fab Five. Did you donate to the scholarship to draw more attention to you? Or to provide financial assistance for future students in need? It seems like $250,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the $100 million you made in the NBA, unless you think the banner is more important to you.

Jimmy McNulty

Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 10:52 a.m.

My thoughts exactly.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:57 p.m.

Rose lost his bargaining position when he said that maybe he should take his money back. That's too close a demand to put the banners up, and no right thinking executive gives in to demands. And he must also remember that the $250k he had to donate was in a very large part due to his time at Michigan.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:44 a.m.



Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:50 p.m.

UM should put up a banner thanking the Fab 5 for the mediocrity in the basketball program over the last 20 years. The Fab 5 were the worst thing that ever happened to UM. Do you people forget that two years before the Fab 5 arrived UM won a legitimate national championship. The basketball program was very good before they arrived. The Fab 5 should never be allowed back on campus & no way should they hang those banners.

Nic schweigert

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:30 p.m.

They were all young kids. Probably from not so priveldged families. And I'm not condoning what they did was right. But I thought givIng second chances was quite a common thing. And you all act like they're the only ones ever to take money. Reggie bush anyone? How bout all the athletes who abuse females and get away with it? It's been 10 years since they were taken down. Get over it. They did their time


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:21 p.m.

Last time I checked b-ball was a team sport. C-Webb did not score all the points. Bottom line: don't put banners up for webber, put them up for the other guys who contributed ! Go blue!!!!!


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:18 p.m.

The games were played and won or lost, no matter what the NCAA says.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:08 p.m.

Come on people...get off Jalen's case! He's been good for the University, unlike some of his teammates. I understand where he's coming from. If the ban is over and those banners are deemed OK to hang by the NCAA, then hang them! You all seen to blame Jalen and his clean teammates for the crimes of Webber, Taylor, Traylor and Bullock. There were a lot of players on those teams that have something to be proud of. The PLAY of the guily parties had nothing to do with their financial and NCAA rules-breaking crimes. They are guilty of taking money, not game-related issues.


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:39 p.m.

They should put up a banner that is approximately one eighth (or whatever portion) of a banner or a mini-banner to represent the size of the non-scandalous population of the team.

Blue Marker

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:29 p.m.

Well said. Jalen was (and to some still is) a big of Michigan basketball history. Personally I don't care about the banners but it pains my heart to see so many Michigan fans rip on a guy who's been loyal to the program. Webber and the other selfish players that took money will never be Wolverines to me.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:57 p.m.

Honor the athletes who are honorable not those who cheat and say "so what".


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:51 p.m.

I'd support MSC on this one if the University returned all the licening and royalty fees they made during that era off of those players, with interest. She can't have it both ways.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:44 p.m.

If the association ban is over in 2013, the banners should be returned. They have done their time. Quit beating them up.

Stephen Landes

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 10:29 p.m.

The games were vacated. How can you put up banners for something that, according to the records, never happened?


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:35 p.m.

Jalen, grow up!


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:32 p.m.

Banners should only go up for winning Championships--Big Ten, NIT and NCAA. Otherwise, they simply are progress reports. And, frankly, I am not sure an NIT (nothing more than a consolation tourney) Banner should ever go up. What gets lost on all this "Fab Five" stuff is that they never won any championships, not the Big Ten, not the NCAA's. So what's the big deal, Jalen? Do you really find it necessary to hang up your 'Progress Reports'. Meanwhile, get a Big Ten Champions banner up for the 2011-2012 team!!


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:24 p.m.

Blame the administration, coaches, and boosters who broke the rules, not the impressionable kids that wanted to play basketball at a great school.

Stephen Landes

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:16 p.m.

Banners are associated with teams that earned them within the rules. The "Fab Five" as a group did not legitimately earn them, so the banners should not be returned to Crisler. Maybe these banners should be hung in the Player Development Center in a "Hall of Shame" so all future players will be reminded of what happens when you don't play by the rules.

Jimmy McNulty

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:11 p.m.

Please cut Jalen a check for $250,000 now. It will be the best money UM can spend.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:10 p.m.

Keep your money and buy as many banners as you can...make a cape for yourself with one...use them for your personal 'red carpet'...have a suit made out of some...after all, life is all about you.

Irwin Daniels

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 7:03 p.m.

Don't do the "crime if you can't do the time".

Nic schweigert

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:26 p.m.

So 10 years isn't enough? Make sure you never ever make a mistake or you should be reminded of it every year for at least 10 years

Blue Marker

Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 8:23 p.m.

He didn't do the crime...hence his disapproval.


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 6:56 p.m.

Oh well. I'm tired of past athletes holding the current administration hostage by acting like little kids (Jalen and Braylon).


Fri, Apr 13, 2012 : 1:37 p.m.

Every alumnus of a university should have a voice and the more money you give, the louder your voice. But I agree - it really sounds like extortion here or at the least, he is holding his donation over the school's head Jalen - you are not Stephen Ross or Richard Zell (recognize those names) -- get over yourself


Thu, Apr 12, 2012 : 10:11 p.m.

Jalen's comments might have been a little over the top, but at the same time he personally wasn't involved in the Ed Martin scandal. He has given a lot to Michigan as a player and an alumnus and thus has a right to be frustrated. As for Braylon, he has donated A LOT of money to the football program and also established scholarships for bright, yet underprivileged kids from Detroit to enable them to attend UofM. I also met him about a year ago at a bar in Ann Arbor. I talked to him for a bit and he just raved about the passion and loyalty he has for Michigan. So quite frankly, he also has the right to express his opinions on what goes on at Michigan.