PortageLkBlu

Wed, Aug 25, 2010 : 7:15 a.m.

If Yelmonian is not a Mich. fan then what in god's name is he doing on our site? This is a gentle diversion for me as I have a life. I can't imagine getting on another schools site I have better things to do with my life, what a waste Yelmonian. I'll list some hobbies for you at a later date but good luck. Wow! As far as these people rooting for RR becuase it's the only way they feel they have any chance of beating us don't kid yourself there just trolling and basing it on the losses we've had which is do to the mess that LLoyd Carr left this program and I will admit that with the spread evolving at Mich. several of LLoyds boys left to find a system that fit their play. These folks are just having some fun getting the goat of you sensitive Wolverine fans look, I don't blame them one bit we, Mich. has been beating up these schools for decades so lets let them laugh you know, He who laughs first laughs well, you get my drift. RR is a good coach I can name you coaches across the board that came into systems loaded with talent and had a couple of bad years implementing their system okay now here it is boys and girls. Toughen up, quit your complaining, another great year of Mich. football is coming with RR as our coach and RR is slowly getting the cupboard that LLoyd left bare restocked with better talent, Go Blue!

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 10:56 p.m.

GoblueinNE_PA, you just don't understand. But you will in about a week. I didn't say Carr didn't recruit well, I said the bulk of our talent graduated or left when Carr left. Not Rich Rod's fault. You can't tell me we were experienced, because we weren't. You can't tell me we had a load of veterans, you can't tell me we didn't have walkons playing at key spots, you can't tell me we took serious blows to our roster to key guys due to injuries. You can't deny any of that and you're always beating around the bush. Sorry, bud, but I know exactly what is going on and my logic is just fine, you're just blinded by frustration, which is understandable.

GoblueinNE_PA

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 11:17 a.m.

Portage Yelmonian is an MSU fan. He's stated that more than once here. He wants RR to stay so that we continue to stink. He's hoping a 6 wins season is enough to keep him around so that MSU will continue to have a real opportunity to beat us. He and the other MSU & OSU fans know that once RR is gone, the program will return to it's prior position of competing for/winning the B10 every year and national prominence. I suspect a lot of the RR backers are similar.

Matt Cooper1

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 9:34 a.m.

Bottom line wether or not we like it is that since RichRod came here the Michigan football program has gone straight into the toilet. He's got to go.

PortageLkBlu

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 7:15 a.m.

Yelmonian, what's with the 6 win rhetoric, a true Michigan Wolverine fan wishes for an undefeated season, a person that wishes for less is not a Wolverine fan in my book and that's whether you like RR or not. Some of you boys and girls say you'd be happy with 6, 7, or even 8 wins not me, I want an undefeated season and if I don't get it well, I want it next year or the year after and I am confident it's coming soon becuase we've got RR as our present and long term future coach. He's here to stay and for you complainers hey, what can I say I'll pray for you that you find peace and come to terms with RR as our coach.

PortageLkBlu

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 6:57 a.m.

3 And Out, I don't believe I heard RR make any excuses at this time regarding this young man, did you? The problem with the complainers on this site are that they start complaining before there is anything to complain about. The kid left as in Adios Amigo have a nice life. If RR told this kid, get out of Dodge then I might be interested in the meantime all I can say is, Big Deal, I could care less.

Sean T.

Tue, Aug 24, 2010 : 1:07 a.m.

UMfaninNC, A.Bass was injured and stayed in school after he stopped playing (I believe) and many other players you named left because they were so low on the depth-chart. Then some of them left under RR!

Dennis

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 9:32 p.m.

Some of you folks are being a tad hard on Rich Rod.. After all compared to the number/percentage of athletes that Belien has run off from the basketball team Rich Rod's stats aren't that bad. Last year it was a great recruiting feat to get Mr. White, now, they are down playing the loss. Forget the NCAA I'd like to see the stats on how much time and money was spent to get the athletes to come to Michigan only to have them bolt or ruled ineligible.... Turner, White, Dorsey etc! The real thanks should go out to the guru Bill Martin.

BuckeyeesInSearchOfRival

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 8:42 p.m.

Fellow Big Ten Football fans - Finally! College Football is back. Its time to begin ordering up their favorite brew & snacks. How many games will your team win/ which bowl will they be invited to?/ will they be on TV/ Oh so sweet. This year the teams to watch are: 1. Alabama 2. OSU. Boise St/Florida the team is coming off a great Rose Bowl victory. Also, Wisconson, Penn State and Iowa are in the top 25. Michigan is in the top 150. The Big Ten will sport one of the better defenses in the nation with Last years Rose bowl winner - The Ohio State University. OSU will have a stronger defense in 2010 with many starters returning and the offense is returning all key players behind a solid offensive line. So, buckle up Big Ten football fans its soon time to rumble. For some it may mean playing back the games from the good ole days of BO or of Lloyd. Just think - Soon your team may be playing Nebraska.

UMfaninNC

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 7:59 p.m.

for those who now all of a sudden want to be critical of the mass exodus of players leaving now at u-m fail to remember it happened when Lloyd was the coach as well, it just wasnt a big issue becuase there was sucess on the field 05- c.butler, j.forcier, e.germany, j.mckinney, c.mclaurin, c.richards, j.sears, m.simpson, m.slocum, j.schifano, a.bass 11 out of 23 06- j.boren, j.kates, c.mixon, q.patilla, q.woods 5 out of 19 07- z.babb, a chambers, a horn these are players who if not stars would have added much needed depth to the RR era which has hurt him more than alot of people give him credit for, but no one gave Lloyd hell for that 05 recruiting class,

Yelmonian

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 4 p.m.

Yep... I'm actually not real happy that players are leaving. It just means that the next coach will have a lot more scholarships available to him the next few years... so he can rebuild quicker after RR broke the program. So let's hope for 6 wins from RR so that he is kept on! Keep recruiting the players, pissing them off, and running 'em out! The rest of the league loves RR!

Sean T.

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 3:18 p.m.

UMfaninNC, I certainly know that stars don't determine whether a recruit will pan out or not. Kelly Baraka didn't pan out because he was troubled, not because he wasn't talented. USC/Florida gets the 5stars and with good coaching they produce, enough said! If RR signed a bunch of 1stars everyone would throw a fit and complain we're not getting the kids we need to be successful. The Stars represent the immediate impact that a athlete can make and though some good coaches can coach up a 2star recruit, believe me, they rather have a 5star.

GoblueinNE_PA

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 1:51 p.m.

Wow! When I'd heard the rumor over the weekend, I was hoping it wasn't true. I wish White the best of luck, but this really not good for the team. RB was going to be a weakness for the team as it was and now, it just got worse. I don't care for some of RR's quotes regarding the RB situation either. It's one thing to have some capable backups, but RB by committee is a losing proposition. Not Good! Robbie, you realize that your own logic doesn't hold together right? You want to claim that this happens everywhere, but then give RR a pass on results because of the lack of talent. OK, but how did that lack of talent occur? It certainly wasn't due to lack of recruiting, because LC had top 10 classes every year he was here. So, we had top talent kids coming in, but now they're gone. Where did they go??? The answer is we experienced attrition, but that happens everywhere, right? So if attrition happens every where, even at the top schools, how is that we were the only program effected by it? Either, the other schools lose kids at the same rate, but their coaches figured out a way to win despite those loses or the other programs haven't seen a talent flight like we've experienced over the last 2 1/2 seasons. Either way, it speaks to leadership of the program. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

zeeba

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 1:12 p.m.

A kid who enrolls early to get a jump on the football program doesn't strike me as lazy and unmotivated. And we're supposed to believe he's already accumulated enough black marks to get kicked off the team? The number of players who have left the U-M program the past three years has been disturbing - it sure looks like RR is having trouble maintaining the respect of his players. He's on his third year and the roster is still full of holes - I don't see any way he'll still be around in 2011.

DetroitChris2010

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 8:54 a.m.

*Disclaimer - I'm a Spartan* I don't know whether Austin would have been a heisman candidate or 5th on the depth chart, and I don't know if this is a sign of RR being any better or worse as a coach. I do know that there seems to be more dissension among the Michigan faithful than I can remember (I'm 40, so not super long, but long enough) and that's bad. I go to a few games each year, my wife is a UM alum and gets season tickets, and the things I hear in the stands sound like the Spartans of old, or the Same Old Spartans...expecting to lose, especially when you're behind. Does this team have the swagger, or are they expecting to lose all the big games this year? But for Dorm Room Demolition or the Rumble at Rather, I thought MSU football was actually starting to get the swagger, I think we took a step back after that. Good Luck, I think we're both in that pack fighting for 4th or 5th place in the Big Ten.

UMfaninNC

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 6:57 a.m.

what will determine the type of player austin was is where he transfers to, if he goes to a MAC school then it shows he really wasnt up for the work it takes to play major D-1 football. Players leave all the time, look at bryce brown arguably the #1 RB a couple years back left tennessee to go play at KSU, there are a lot of factors now a days that have changed the mentals of college players, some are prima donnas who have been told they are the world all their life and once a coach shows them they not they break. to the guy that mentioned star system, that isnt the best barometer of the type of player you will get. I remember plenty of 5* players that never lived up to the hype (kelly baraka) and plenty of 3* the achieved beyond wildest dreams (mike hart) you never know what you will get. Maybe its a guy who can turn it on during the camp circuit get noticed and does just enough during his season to maintain but doesnt have the fight desire... or you can get a player that wasnt a major camper plays for a less heralded team/system who gets to college and finds his niche and takes off... recruiting is ALL a gamble (in football) even saying all that the heat is on BOTH RR and Beilein (which i have more issue with than RR due to the quick turnaround in hoops) so while they are looking for a football coach if things dont go well within the next two seasons they may need a new hoop coach as well

ChelseaBob

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 6:03 a.m.

Jim Harbaugh come home!

Sean T.

Mon, Aug 23, 2010 : 2:21 a.m.

I wish Austin White well because he's very talented and wasn't a 4star RB for nothing. Maybe he'll do well at another school since many of our former players are now starters at other programs. This just really bums me out that we lose so many 4/5 stars kids because truthfully, it does matter what their ratings are....at least a little. MAC Schools acquire a lot of 2star athletes and when they land a 3 or 4 star it's big news but in the Big Ten or any other major conference 3stars are considered a minimum.

johnnya2

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 11:23 p.m.

All those piling on White for being lazy etc, seem to forget. WHO RECRUITED HIM? I recall MANY players who fit this same bill at one time, but when the previous coach did not work on humiliation and how to make himself seem like he knew what he was doing. If that were the case Braylon Edwards could have been booted off the team. It's time to realize RR has not brought players into the program who are succeeding. Only one person to blame. He will be unemployed come Dec 1.

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 10:03 p.m.

And there's Lemansblue with the records again, but notice he doesn't doesn't give his take on why HE thinks it's because of Rodriguez. Again, roster issues.

aarox

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 9:24 p.m.

tater, you are incorrect on all counts. you really should read the comments before you tell us what they say. appreciate the passion but you missed the mark by a wolverine mile.

3 And Out

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 8:12 p.m.

Rich Rod burns scholarships like Millen burned Lions draft picks. Perhaps this is in preparation for the NCAA sanctions and possible scholarship reductions? Perhaps he just wants to be ready for it. and no "tater" this "troll" is not a Sparty...Im from UM...and by the way...just because you disagree with people doesnt make them wrong or make them a troll either.

Jordan

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 6:21 p.m.

this website's coverage of michigan football is a joke. Real Michigan fans read Mgoblog.

azwolverine

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 6:10 p.m.

This season hasn't yet started, so no one knows for sure how it will play out. However, if Michigan has a losing record again this season, which I don't forsee, but it they do, then RR will have run HIMSELF out of town...not the alumni, not the Freep, not former players, etc. So, if we do get Hoke, or Parrish, or DeBord, it can't be any worse than RR, right? At least there's a chance it might be better because three straight losing records should be proof enough for anyone that RR is the wrong coach for the job. If it isn't, then you're a blind RR follower who has lost complete sight of the Michigan program in your blind devotion to your "king." IF he doesn't win, as Michigan fans, we should want him gone. Go Blue!

InsideTheHall

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:42 p.m.

Inside the hall it was common knowledge that White did not have the work ethic and did not take well to criticism.

Lemansblue

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:21 p.m.

Sister, You like records RR against the Big Ten: 2008 2-6 2009 1-7 At Wv against top 25 teams: 7 wins 11 losses. I would not bring up records.

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:11 p.m.

Metric, I agree. I am among the ones who was excited about White, he was in the top 10 according to scout. But like I just said, he obviously didn't want it that much, so in that case, bye bye! Don't care about you anymore. Good luck at your next school.

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:09 p.m.

Redcedar, because although everyone wants the best players out there, no one is going to get them all, you have to grab guys who can play division one and try to turn them in to something but it all depends on how hard you work as well and wearing the uniform with pride. Again, Austin White was among the players with a wingless helmet, which means he was not ready to play at Michigan and he was not working hard and was going to get buried. Plain and simple.

tommy_t

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:06 p.m.

It's not the general population of raving fans pro or con that determines the future of the football program's leadership. It's the raving monied alumnae and regents that will determine it.

tommyf0412

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:05 p.m.

Good that he is gone. He was too slow and galloped like a horse when he ran. One more open scholorship open for next year. We are now up to 19.

MetricSU

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:05 p.m.

Robbie: That's great ex post rationalization: see which players turn out to be stars, and then say, "I only care that those guys left." Remember, most UM fans were saying "good riddance" about Boren, too. UM fans crowed about landing Austin White, claiming that MSU had to settle for "second best" Nick Hill. Once White reveals himself not to be motivated and in the competition for playing time, it's easy to say "good riddance." But that wasn't the story in the spring. RR has lost four guys from the 2010 class. That's a lot considering the first game hasn't been played -- even out of 27 recruits. I wonder what the in-state recruits are thinking about UM versus MSU? Oh, and for tater: in Izzo's most recent class, he's lost zero out of two recruits. RR has lost 4 out of 27. That mean's RR's attrition rate, for the most recent classes, is higher than Izzo's.

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 5:04 p.m.

Don't understand why redceder even posts on these topics, being that he is a Sparty fan. But I guess he can see first hand what the coaching carousel does to a team: perpetual mediocrity. He only has to look at his team for a perfect example of that!

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:55 p.m.

And Lemansblue can't answer me because he knows I put him away long ago! How does that humble pie taste? And Nick Saban would have struggled with the roster and issues we had the past two years. Can you honestly say I'm wrong?

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:54 p.m.

DeBord's record at Central: 2000 Central Michigan 29 26 6th (West) 2001 Central Michigan 38 26 5th (West) 2002 Central Michigan 48 26 5th (West) 2003 Central Michigan 39 17 That is outstanding!

Lemansblue

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:51 p.m.

Sister, Yeah Debord would be a improvement. I think he could win more than 3 games in 2 seasons against the Big Ten. I think Debord would have been smart enough to not destroy the system that made Mi a great program.

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:40 p.m.

Exactly lilsister, exactly (See 3 and Out and Lemansblue)! The only disaster with Michigan football are fans who just don't understand.

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:40 p.m.

Mike DeBord, Head Coach for Michigan 2011! Hope the haters enjoy that!! He can bring his shining head coaching record here after Harbaugh and Miles sign their extended contracts at Stanford and LSU.

Lemansblue

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:36 p.m.

3. Great post man. I see you look at the RR disaster with your eyes open.

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:34 p.m.

Funny thing is that the hate posters just assume that Harbaugh or Miles will be knocking down the door to come to Michigan after some angst filled alumni and so called fans have run Rich Rod out of town. Most likely there is no chance Harbaugh or Miles come back here and we will be stuck with a Brady Hoke or a Stan Parrish. So it's spectacular that all of these people have torn down Rich Rod ever since he stepped on campus, just so that we could get Brady Hoke or Stan Parrish!! That is going to work out real well for our team's future!

Robbie Webb.

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:29 p.m.

3 and out, before you go on another rant, please try to prove anything I've said wrong first. You and others still have yet to do so. Like you just pointed out, that it happens at places like Texas. But then you act as if we had the same depth and experience that Texas has had, which we haven't. Austin White left because the kid would have been buried in the depth chart amongst other running backs (e.g. Stephen Hopkins, Mike Cox, Mike Shaw, Fitz, Vincent Smith, and the soon to be Dee Hart). He was among the ones with a wingless helmet, which means he didn't work hard and was not ready to play football at Michigan. I was at fan day today, Tate was really small, I was shocked. Denard and alot of other young guys look so much better in terms of physical appearance. Tate will probably end up leaving as well, so get ready for it. As of this present day, in my opinion, there are only TWO players who left who mattered to me...Justin Boren and Ryan Mallett. That's it! But, things happen, it's college football, move on, nothing we can do about it. Turner was out of shape and would likely have been beatin' out by Cullen Christian. And the others who left are no names, I actually forgot the rest of their names. If they don't want to play for the maize and blue, then bye bye!!! We'll move on and win without you. Peace and good night!

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:24 p.m.

White wasn't let go because the coaches thought he never was going to play...he was let go because he sat on his butt all summer and didn't do a darn thing. Further, instead of working his tail off like Forcier, and the other "Wingless players" to get back in shape and the good graces of the staff, he was going through the motions. For whatever reason...he felt A2 was not for him, and quit. After which his parents were majorly ticked off and tried to change his mind. The bottom line is...he's gone...because of what he chose NOT to do...not what he could or couldn't do on the field.

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:18 p.m.

Guess only negative posts about RR and Michigan will remained posted on this site, after three of my positive posts have been removed. Got keep up that facade of negativity, right Moderators?

Macabre Sunset

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:12 p.m.

Thanks, Rod. Humiliation is always a great teacher. Those who remain will be mediocre, thanks to you.

spartyisyourlilsister

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:08 p.m.

"Has Michigan ever lost every Big Ten game? I doubt it and Rich Rod has you poised for that level of humiliation." How many Big Ten Championships have the Sparties won in the past 20 years? Oh yeah ZERO!!!! Dantonio has you poised for that same level of underachieving again this year!!

SprBwlB4IDie

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 4:02 p.m.

Hmmm...already a post from a delsional expert at the art of rationalization. To me, 3 and out came off as an optimist with his/her predicition of 5 wins. Every team in the conference, not to mention a few of the non-conf. opponents, are capable of exploiting the weak secondary Michigan will be fielding this season. Has Michigan ever lost every Big Ten game? I doubt it and Rich Rod has you poised for that level of humiliation. It is not even fun anymore - it is just sad.

NoBowl4Blue

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 3:56 p.m.

Dum Dum Dum Dum another one bites the dust. And another gone another one gone another one bites the dust. Rich may not win football games but he sure can lose players.

SprBwlB4IDie

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 3:47 p.m.

There it is - the other shoe. "He is still on the roster" sounded an awful lot like a lawyerly non-answer to me. I guess I was right. Nick Hill is sticking around in East Lansing, so we win! And we'll be winning again Oct. 9. Any of you wolvies got 5 tickets you'll let go cheap, or do you still believe there is hope despite all evidence to the contrary?

3 And Out

Sun, Aug 22, 2010 : 3:35 p.m.

Get ready for the typical excuses from the RR apologists: * He was lazy, not buying in to Super Barwis's program. * Bad kid had problems in HS. Hanging around wrong people. * Those who stay will be champions! * This happens at every school, no big deal. * It is Lloyd Carr's fault. Etc Etc Etc. The reality however, shows one common thread that is overlooked in all of this: Rich Rodriguez. The unprecidented level of his recruits not panning out and leaving is on him and his staff. Either they are recruiting blindly and without care of character, or they simply do not connect with many of these kids and they end up leaving. Either way...bad for the program. Now for those of you that say "this happens at every program look at Florida...Texas who have kids leaving all the time blah blah blah"...OK if you take that stance then we dont want to hear one word from you blaming attrition for the lack of depth that will lead to this years 5-7 record and how it is not due to Rich Rodriguez or his poor coaching or poor staff coaching. Not one word. I challenge you to look hard at this situation and the real reasons behind the alarming rate of attrition here...this is not helping our program. Go Blue.