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Posted on Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 5:04 p.m.

Injuries hurt Michigan football team's linebacking corps, defensive end transfers, David Molk's feelings on AP poll and more

By Pete Bigelow


Mike Jones

The Michigan football team lost two linebackers Saturday, one probably for the season and one for a few days.

Backup Mike Jones broke a leg against Notre Dame and coach Rich Rodriguez said Monday that Jones will probably not play again this season. Brandon Herron sprained an ankle, and could play against UMass this Saturday.

J.B. Fitzgerald can play both positions and is listed as a potential backup behind Craig Roh. Rodriguez said that Mark Moundros, Kenny Demens and Kevin Leach are flexible enough to play multiple linebacker positions.

Michigan’s coach is more hopeful that he’ll get wide receiver Junior Hemingway and running back Fitzgerald Toussaint back for this week’s game.

He’s especially eager to get Hemingway back, because Martavious Odoms and Darryl Stonum are playing at least 80 snaps per game, Rodriguez estimated.

“We don’t have a lot of depth there,” he said. “That’s too many snaps.”

Rotation at running back

In the preseason, Rodriguez said he’d like to establish a consistent rotation of three or four running backs. Aside from Denard Robinson, he’s almost exclusively used Michael Shaw and Vincent Smith in the backfield.

Toussaint’s re-entry on the depth chart would be a step toward diversifying that position. But he’s not the only one who could see more time.

Rodriguez said Michael Cox, Stephen Hopkins and Teric Jones, who converted from safety only weeks ago, are all “closer” to playing.


Michigan running back Stephen Hopkins looks to the official for a touchdown signal after his first career carry Saturday at Notre Dame.

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Jumbo formation suceeds

Speaking of Hopkins, he scored his first career touchdown on his first career carry Saturday, a one-yard plunge in the first quarter.

“Every time he carries, he scores,” Rodriguez joked. “He’s got a pretty good average going.”

Hopkins’ lead blocker on the play? Defensive tackle Will Campbell.

Between Hopkins (6-foot, 227 pounds) and Campbell (6-foot-5, 333 pounds), the Wolverines had 560 pounds of backfield power available. Rodriguez liked Campbell’s Refrigerator Perry impersonation.

“Will will probably tell you he knocked a guy into the stands,” Rodriguez said. “He did a nice job. … We’ve got some other plans, maybe, for him doing some stuff like that.”

Attrition on defensive line

Defensive end Anthony LaLota asked for and received his release from Michigan on Monday. The 6-foot-4, 270-pound defensive end redshirted last season and had not played this year.

He’s the third player to leave Michigan since summer camp began. Cornerback Justin Turner transferred to West Virginia in the preseason and Vladimir Emilien left last week for an unknown destination.

The touchdown that wasn't

At the end of T.J. Jones’ 53-yard touchdown run during the third quarter of Saturday’s game, video evidence showed the Notre Dame receiver dropped the ball between the 1- and 2-yard lines.

Rodriguez said Monday that he didn’t know about the potential game-turning play until after the game.

“From my vantage point, I couldn’t have told you what was happening,” he said. “From what I understand, NBC didn’t have the replay available at the time and the game officials didn’t review it.”

He said he’d use the play as a “teachable moment” for the Wolverines, and remind them to recover any loose balls in that sort of situation -- if a potential fumble like that remains unclaimed, possessions stays with the offense.

Per Rodriguez’s policy, Michigan players always hand the ball to an official after they score -- or think they have.

Underdog at heart

Michigan was ranked in the top 25 for the first time this season Sunday, entering the poll at No. 20. The Wolverines, however, would have preferred staying under the radar.

“I’d rather not be ranked,” center David Molk said. “I don’t like the attention that comes with all of it. I’d rather be left alone.”


Michigan safety Jordan Kovacs defends Notre Dame's Michael Floyd on Saturday. Kovacs made the team after an open on-campus tryout. The Wolverines held another open tryout on Monday.

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Diamonds in the rough

Michigan held its third annual tryouts Monday afternoon and more than 30 students were expected to participate.

“I think there’s going to be a lot of kickers, and there always is anyway,” said Rodriguez, who could use one right now after Brendan Gibbons’ 1-for-4 start to the season on field-goal attempts.

“I always get excited,” said Rodriguez, who walked onto the West Virginia football team as a college student himself. “Maybe there’s another Kovacs in there.”

Two years ago, the Wolverines found safety Jordan Kovacs in the student-body tryout. He walked on, and found his way into a starting job in 2009 that he hasn’t relinquished.

Ratings rise on TV

Television ratings for the Michigan-Notre Dame game on Saturday generated a 4.5 overnight rating and a 10 share, which were 67 percent ahead of last year’s week two game between the Irish and Michigan State, and 13 percent higher than the Michigan-Notre Dame matchup of 2008.

Pete Bigelow can be reached at (734) 623-2556, via email at and followed on Twitter @PeterCBigelow.



Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 9:06 a.m.

True blue fan: I agree that WVU to UM is an enticing move to me and you and the posters on this board. But WVU was Rod's home, from a young age. Leaving home is a big deal. And look at the rankings over the last 6-7 years. Is Michigan really a more elite, more highly ranked program than WVU? Probably not to everybody (though to us, it can't be beat). In that way, I think we are ALL kool-aid drinkers for Michigan. (And remember, Rod turned down Alabama a year before, and you can't really tell me that Bama is not more 'elite' or 'better' than WVU. So using that logic....) Listen, I hope the team succeeds. But what I said above is what has bothered me since Rod's name first came up. And it has made me skeptical, especially given all the mishaps--the lawsuits, the poor coaching (in my opinion), the players leaving, the bad press, the NCAA stuff.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 8:31 a.m.

What happens when UCONN loses this weekend to Temple (MAC favorite) and ND loses to MSU? The mighty #20 ranked wolverines will have beaten 2 losing football teams and UMASS. Very impressive! I love how we are already counting the Indiana game as a win. We needed help from the refs to beat them last year, they are better this year and we have to play in Bloomington. I dont know about the rest of you but that game scares me.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:54 p.m.

heartbreak -- Michigan to Texas A&M? West Virginia to Michigan? You tell me which is the more enticing move. Michigan is one of the top 5 to 10 jobs in the college ranks. It's a premier job and it was an easy decision for RR. Couple that with the fact that Bo protege and former WVU head coach Don Nehlen encouraged RR to take the job at Michigan. I don't blame RR one bit. People make a big deal about the Pryor thing. Honestly, I don't really care. RR had his mind made up he was going to take the job. As such, he wanted what was best for Michigan.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:47 p.m.

@heartbreakM: Very well said, and I couldn't agree more. RR may very well turn our program around and make us national title contenders for the next ten years, but it doesn't change the fact that he's NOT a man of integrity - and that is what matters to me more than winning. Call me old fashioned, but I'd much rather see character and loyalty be a talented coach's first priority, even over W's. I do want to see our beloved Wolverines succeed, but I no longer believe that RR is the man for the job, regardless of how great he makes us.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:50 p.m.

Ask people what they think about Nick Saben and you'll hear the same rhetoric that you hear about RR and I remember some Miami Dolphins talking about Nick like he was dirt and a dishonorable man, fast forward to Alabama and they love the guy, he's winning. Go back and even Sean T said that if RR beats Notre Dame he, Sean T might start looking at RR with a more positive attitude. There were a lot of folks that felt negative about Bo in the early days but hey, we didn't have these blogs to vent those bad attitudes. I will venture a guess to say 90% of the complainers will get on board if RR starts winning in the 10 conference.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:38 p.m.

Rancher, How do you explain Coach Carr's record against the SEC in bowl games if we were so far behind the SEC?


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7 p.m.

Jalapeno: I have been critical of RR, but complimentary when deserved, such as this year's coaching so far. My big critique of RR compared to Bo and LC has nothing to do with offense strategy but everything to do with character, loyalty, and class. I don't care what strategy a coach uses--football is not won by the latest gimmicks, but won by who blocks best, who catches the ball best, who does not turn the ball over, and who tackles best. Bo said as much in his book. Did LC's offense need updating? Possibly. Did LC underachieve from our expectations? Probably. Same with Bo. But both of those men would never have walked away from their contract to pursue the next best thing. And both of those men never ever threw their players under the bus to protect their hide. Even quotes from earlier this pre-season by RR to Mitch Albom are more critical of players than being introspective on RR's coaching shortcomings. (Even if he does not believe his coaching is suspect, in the amateur game of college football, the coach should not throw his players out in front of him). I am still astonished that RR walked away abruptly from his own football team that he grew up with, that he played for, and that he coached and built into a national contendor to come to a place that he had absolutely no familiarity with nor had he even visited. That is the ultimate slap in the face. Then to make a recruiting call to Pryor before even going in front of his own players? Just disrespectful. Contrast that with Bo's recruitment to go to A&M after 1982 season, when he turned down a ton of money because he could not leave his players and do that to Michigan. (He wrote about it in his last book, and it was well chronicled). That to me is the big difference between them all. RR's offense will come and go. But you can't grow loyalty and character. You either have it or you don't. Despite all the nice stories about visits to the Mealers. RR has spoken.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:20 p.m.

Darn good post Sean T, keep up the good rationalization.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2:22 p.m.

Has anybody asked why open tryouts are after the first two games? Why would you do that?


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:55 a.m.

What seems to be a common thread among the RR haters is that "he is not Lloyd Carr/Bo Schembechler". All seem to be hung up on tradition tradition. Power football for 3 downs then punt. Its the way we've always done it type game. The Power run game is not Michigan tradition. Winning is Michigan tradition and they are adapting to win. Why do you think the SEC overcame the Big 10 for the premier conference? They diversified when the B-10 (Michigan being one of them) were stubbornly stuck in their out dated ways. This exciting innovative way of WINNING is part of the Michigan tradition. Not "the good ole days". GO BLUE!!!!


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:13 a.m.

I was concerned heading into this year, but there has been progress made from last year. When ND scored those quick 10 points in the 3rd quarter, last years team would have folded like they did against Illinois. Instead they settled the ship and went onto play a pretty good game other than the two big plays they gave up. They are still a really young team and I think RR is growing into being a big time college football coach. He seems to be much more calm this year and the players are showing more emotion and excitement. They may loose a few games in the big ten but at least they are showing improvement and that is the most important thing this season. Next season is when the expectations should be high for a BCS bowl. I was down on RR, but I think he has turned the corner and I have been impressed with how he has handled everything. He seems to be very level headed and I like the direction he is taking the team. Regardless of what their record will be at the end of this year I think they are on the right track. If they lose their last five games and look horrible doing so then I will probably have a different opinion. All anybody can ask is that the team give 100% every game.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:25 a.m.

The attrition is kind of disturbing because a lot of it is happening on the defensive side of the ball. Makes you wonder if something is going on between the coaches and players, or it's just coindidence. Part of it could be that RR and his staff believe in the philosophy that the best guy plays regardless of whether they're a freshman or senior. Lalota probably saw some younger guys play in front of him and decided to quit Michigan rather than work harder to move up the depth chart. It's easy to speculate, but hard to know the real story without knowing his situation. On the bright side, it opens up a scholarship for someone who wants to be here. Boy, we really need to get these running backs healthy so we can rotate some more guys in there, as well as Hemingway coming back. If I were RR, I'd start working the recruiting trail for a new kicker. Gibbons may eventually come around, but there's a good chance he won't either.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:24 a.m.

You all need to stop drinking haterade. Rich ROd isn't going anywhere so you might as well support him. We have a heisman hopeful in D Rob. Do you have any idea how much money that generates for the program? Do you think D Rob would be the starter if we got a new coach? Doubtful. Michigan fans should have expected down years when they hired him. He came into a program and was big and strong and not quick and fast. RR needed time to get his guys in. Now that he has those guys give him time to win. He has proved he can win at any level. Michigan will be no different. If we did get a new coach, I am guessing it would be Harbaugh. Does he run the spread? No. This means we have 2-3 more years of bad seasons beacause he will need tome to get his guys recruited. Point of the story: RR is not going anywhere. Get use to it.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:09 a.m.

Remember the sign Bo put up his first year Those who stay will be champions you think he put that up because he knew everyone was going to stay, no it was because he knew some kids where not going to make it. It takes a special kind of man to make it on the greatest team in an sport in history, as it should.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:07 a.m.

Get well soon Mike Jones.

John-Maize Blueblood

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:30 a.m.

RR did not promise early playing time to anyone. RR promised kids the opportunity to compete for playing time. As you may know, some coaches give priority to upperclassmen for playing time, not the case with RR. You have to earn your playing time with RR.

Ted Bundy

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:32 a.m.

Michigan is a young team and we are having fun out there on the field. RR pushed the "early playing time" to a lot of these recruits who are transferring, so I'm not surprised by the attrition. Lalota has been playing football for like three years so he was a project. He got jumped on the depth chart by true freshman Jibreel Black so he should transfer if he wants to play his redshirt freshman year. All the haters true colors really show when a team is winning, they still hate and say stuff like "D-Rob is your only player". Well yeah, this whole offense revolves around a super athletic QB... You're just jealous your team plays Florida Atlantic and goes run, run, pass every offensive series. GO BLUE!

Sean T.

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 6:24 a.m.

I doubt that there's anyone losing sleep over a game but acting as if there's nothing going on with the program in which you are a fan of seems, well, silly. That's the reason for blogs so fans or foes can post their dislikes or likes. Pointing out the obvious that the kids are leaving by choice is ripe for a good chuckle but most people would like to really know why. And just think there are posters that don't have to stay up all night waiting for that unreliable sun to come out! Go Blue


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:48 a.m.

Those that keep saying RR has no class... ask the Mealer Family what they think about RR and his level of class!? 1%


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:46 a.m.

The kids are leaving becuase they choose to. Try not to lose to much sleep, the sun will rise tomorrow I promise you.

John-Maize Blueblood

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:14 a.m.

I still don't understand why we waste our time paying attention to some of the trolls posting negative stuff on just about every article regardng the team and RR. A certain troll here must either be a kid with Attention Deficit Disorder or a mentally challenged adult. I will not call that particular troll out by name to avoid getting my post removed, but he/she knows exactly whom I'm referring to. That particular troll just continuously posts stupid stuff like "DRob bailing RR out". He/she is not even bright enough to realize by now that football is a team effort. DRob is great, but there is no way he would have achieved what he has so far achieved if the O-line was weak. That troll only posts here to draw the attention that he/she craves so much. I notice recently that the more we pay attention to that troll, the more he/she tends to continue posting stupid stuff here hoping to pull our legs. Why don't we just ignore that retard and he/she will go away like all annoying flies eventually do?

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 1:32 a.m.

ob1ball...those 2002-2004 numbers are pure spin and pure crap spouted out by the Pro RR slappies. If those are true...then name those players? Are you including players that left for the NFL draft or ones that got injured and could no longer play? Of course you are. Your list is just as bad as the MSU slappy who posted the Bill Martin and Shafer crap above... Cut the spin....lets focus on players that RR has recruited himself but never made it or left on their own...that list is HUGE and growing each week.

Sean T.

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 12:49 a.m.

There is NO PROOF that any of these kids are lazy and just couldn't cut it. Also saying that they couldn't even sniff the two-deep is silly. There are other reasons these kids could be leaving the program, I'm just concerned about the rate of players leaving this year!

Sean T.

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 12:40 a.m.

I hate that another player is leaving and especially at this time of the year. We have to ask an honest question about the program. "Why are so many players leaving at such a rapid rate"? I know kids transfer all the time but this is alarming to say the least. I always wish these kids well when they go because it's their future but this is an issue whether we want to believe it or not! I hope the transfers stop immediately before we don't have enough players to field on Saturdays. Well I wish you well, LaLota! We got screwed on the ND touchdown and the Lions got screwed too, what's going on with refs these days? Start Tate this week to keep Denard fresh....please!


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 11:24 p.m.

#s 29 and down for players were RR's players. He recruited them. He signed them. He lost them. But that is not on him? There were others earlier than that who were also RR's boys. From Threet to McJumpie(we was a start recruit by Carr, but finished and signed under RR), and more. But you say RR is not responsible for them?


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 10:56 p.m.

JBD, 2002- 12 OUT OF 20 Recruits left the program 2003- 6 OUT OF 17 Recruits left the program 2004- 10 OUT OF 22 Recruits left the program That's almost 50% attrition from Carr's recruiting classes and there was no Regime change. Funny how you RichRod haters are now grasping at straws.Carr and his lackies have been broomed out(Draper you're next).Try reading the NCAA report and letters or reprimand to the 3 Athletic Dept. employees(Carr's toadies) and 2 compliance dept.employees who RichRod had NO AUTHORITY OVER, then tell me RichRod is the one without class. What are all of you so-called "Michigan Men" gonna do when RichRod gets that extension next year? Please go root for another school if your allegiance is sooo fragile.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 10:37 p.m.

Sorry I hit the submit button before I was done. Here is the whole post. @tru Why can't the new coach can also run the spread?! Isn't everyone running that nowadays? With one exception the new coach can have class. Any level would be a step up of the current regime. DR is the only thing saving the current coaches job. Who's to say what he could do under a better coach.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 10:32 p.m.

JBD, Since most of those names were lazy, unwilling to work hard enough, Llyod Carr recruits, I say good riddance. I'm not sure Paul Bunyan played at Michigan like you stated, there's NO WAY RichRod would've let him leave.Scott Schafer and Bill Martin weren't players and Brad Labadie(Carr's little toadie that conveniently forgot how to fill out practice forms when RichRod arrived)certainly is a welcomed addition to your list. The players that have recently left the program weren't even sniffing the 2 deep and their scholarships will be used on better players.Keep up the RichRod hate because the better the season goes, the more highly talented the recruits he'll reel in.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 10:32 p.m.

@tru Can't new coach can also run the spread?! Isn't everyone running that nowadays? With one exception the new coach can have class. Any level would be a step up of the current regime


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 10:24 p.m.

Hey Jaded Black.....wasn't Scott Shafer the defensive coordinator, not a player that transferred?


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 9:37 p.m.

I'm an MSU fan, but I don't buy the talk that Denard can't hold up for an entire season. Of course anyone can get hurt at any time in football. But it's not guaranteed that Denard will get hurt because he runs the ball 30 times a game. Lots of people had him going down in the ND game. Now it's "wait for the Big Ten season." Denard looks tough and slippery to me. Direct hits on him are rare, and he knows how to land. Denard's passing when receivers are facing him has gotten much better. He's still not so good on touch passes over the receiver's shoulder.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 9:34 p.m.

Lalota was just the most recent. Here's a count of players gone, due to early draft entry, transfer, or legal problems, or that never made it to the school but committed. 01 Ryan Mallet 02 Adrian Arrington 1/8/2008 03 Mario Manningham 1/8/2008 04 Grant DeBenedictus 1/8/2008 05 Brett Gallimore 1/?/2008 06 Jeremy Ciulla 3/25/2008 07 Alex Mitchell 3/25/2008 08 Justin Boren 3/25/2008 09 Quinton Patilla 6/4/2008 10 Marques Slocum 7/17/2008 11 Taylor Hill 9/3/2008 12 Marcus Witherspoon 9/3/2008 13 Paul Bunyan 10/25/2008 14 Zion Babb 11/18/2008 15 Jason Kates 11/19/2008 16 Artis Chambers 11/23/2008 17 Carson Butler 12/6/2008 18 Avery Horn 12/6/2008 19 Sam McGuffie 12/12/2008 20 Scott Shafer 12/16/2008 21 Steven Threet 2/16/2009 22 Andre Criswell 3/11/2009 23 Toney Clemons 3/24/2009 24 Doug Wermers 5/17/2009 25 Dann O'Neill 7/11/2009 26 Justin Feagin 7/25/2009 27 Marell Evans 8/12/2009 28 Vince Helmuth 8/12/2009 29 Jason Forcier 8/18/2009 30 Bill Martin 10/21/2009 31 Boubacar Cissoko 10/27/2009 32 Brandon Smith 1/13/2010 33 Adrian Witty 1/30/2010 34 Demar Dorsey 6/9/2010 35 Antonio Kinard 6/20/2010 36 Cornelius Jones 6/28/2010 37 Brad Labadie 7/14/2010 38 Justin Turner 8/11/2010 39 Austin White 8/19/2010 40 Vladimir Emilien 9/8/2010 41 Anthony LaLota 9/13/2010 Sure injuries hurt....not taking that away, but would they be hurting that bad if these players were still playing in AA?


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 8:43 p.m.

Pat White and Vick only missed 2 games in college due to an injury there whole career.Vince Young who i remember carried them against USC never sat out a game.How many peole wanted DR at RB this season?...If he had 30 touchs a game at that position would you say he cant do that?There is no proof he cant do it all season besides perception.But perception has nothing to do with the past 2 games.Just a tough kid who wants to win for Michigan.

Tru Blue Fan

Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 7:51 p.m.

Once again we all are calling for a new coach. What you don't realize is the guy is in year three of an offensive overhaul and you are starting to see a glimpse of what the offense is suppose to look like. Our future is as bright as it has been in a long time. We have a offensive line that we will lose two starters off next year, but have two guys that will step in and can honestly start now. And all of our skill position players will return with a quarterback who will have had a full season under his belt. No knock to Tate, but he was expecting to get handed the job and with Denards drive he took it away. This kid with two years left will only get stronger, faster and smarter with his reads in both the passing game and read option. The whole defensive line who is smothering teams right now will return and yes we have to replace the two seniors at linebackers, but we'll be fine. Our secondary will return and we now have quality backups in case a key player goes down back there. So instead of being the young team we will be one of the senior teams next year. So why would we want a new coach to come and implement a whole new scheme to throw us behind another three years and not to mention recruits are hesitant to come to Michigan only because they keep hearing and reading how RichRod's job is on the line.So let's stay the course and we'll be back sooner than the naysayers are predicting


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 7:15 p.m.

we will count are blessing's you are not our coach... if you can't figure it out i won't waste my time trying to explain it to you... stay tuned for as the (bowl) turns... GO BLUE...


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 6:24 p.m.

Actually NoBowl, nothing happens if DR goes down except Tate comes in and leads the kind of sustained drives that would have won the ND game even if Crist hadn't gotten hurt. As exciting as DR is, 3-16 on third downs is pathetic and ain't gonna cut it against the better teams in the Big Ten. Still, it looks like U-M will be 5-0 going into the State game, and they don't look that hot so probably 6-0 leading up to Iowa, and then wins against Purdue and Illinois and RR easily keeps his job. Only way he's really screwed is if DR gets hurt and Tate's already gone. Looks like now he might stay until the end of the year though so I'm thinking no way is RR gone next year.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 6:17 p.m.

i think everypne with bad a attitude has either never played a team sport or been in the military.Coaches dont want quitters they dont have to release his scholarship,And for anyone remotely hoping someone gets hurt on any team in any sport is just plain a hatefull human being.The kids playing have a great attitude to bad it dont rub off on the fans.


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 5:32 p.m.

Another gone another gone another one bites the dust. Count your blessings Denard is right now the most exciting player in college football. What heppens if he goes down? This is strating to look like last year, great start but.........................


Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 5:28 p.m.

New head coach by 2011. GO BLUE!

3 And Out

Mon, Sep 13, 2010 : 5:10 p.m.

Lalota gone and Will Campbell relegated to playing "Fridge Perry" duty. How long til he leaves too? Moundros goes to LB and is not seeing the field and is out of the running at FB the rare occasion that we use that set... 2 WRs getting way too many snaps because other RR recruits (that stayed) are not developing.... most major contributions on this team coming from Lloyd recruits other than the fantastic D Rob. The future sets up.... not too nicely.... unless D Rob can keep carrying this team for another few years...not likely.