Jarhead

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 6:59 p.m.

A lot of talk about Harbaugh. If you change coaches then do it next week (I believe Stanford still has a game left to play, don't they?). If you wait it will kill recruiting. Skill players will decommit to play with a school that runs the spread. Linemen won't, dosen't much effect them. Denard will go with RR wherever RR goes. Tate won't really be the right fit for Harbaugh's offense, so Jim will have to start Devon and mimick what OSU does with Terrelle. But here's a question, What if Harbaugh dosen't come? What will all the Harbs lovers gonna do? And for the record I like JH. But who is next on you superhero list? Maybe Les Miles? Oh I remember that dance, He stayed when LSU gave him a big fat bonus. So Who's Next? Maybe Mac Brown from Texas, or Urban Meyer? I know! Chip Kelly from Oregon. He runs the spread. But why would he come here and subject himself to the fanbase here who'll put him under their scrutiny? When we played U-Conn people posted that Randy Edsall was better than RR and he would be the next coach. And people said we missed out on Brian Kelly, and so on. This fanbase sure is fickle.

Jarhead

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 6:38 p.m.

The POY award should go to the player that has the most impact for his team. Total wins should not be considered. Wins are for the team's effort, and many contribute to those wins, not just the QB as many are listing. ERM, you list 3 QBs and their passing yards. What was their total yards. If you add in Denard's rushing yards then you have a truer indication of his contribution. On the passing yards there are other people at the other end of that pass that are responsible for the completions. Do you think that QBs should only be in the pocket? In '97 Charles Woodson didn't have very many total yards but made a hugh impact for the team. It dosen't matter if we are happy with our win/loss record or the coach. Denard has made a hugh impact for this team and in college football. Makes me wonder what's possible the next two years?

ThoseWhoStayUofM

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 6:07 p.m.

Denard Robinson played bad against 1 good defense this year. He was incredible against Wisconsin, good against Iowa, and fantastic against Ohio State (if you take into account a confirmed 5 drops by Roundtree and more by other receivers as well as being knocked out by the end of the first half due to dislocated fingers). Denard was absurdly rediculous against the cupcakes and amazing against the elites. Yeah... he slowed down against great defenses.... so he went from a jet plane to a nascar. He is the best athlete in college football bar none.

58-44-6

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 1:50 p.m.

reasonable prediction rtracy

rtracy

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 11:55 a.m.

I think we will have one or two more wins next season if we keep rr around. The next season i think we will be contenders for a big ten title with a team similar to oregon top 20 teams of the past with a little less defense then them. If we could get harbaugh That would be a couple of seasons rebuilding but he would be great traditional michigan coach. I think denard would be awkward in his offense and the defense would still be crappy. We would have a bad season with harbaugh as coach the first year especially with out recruiting and things would turn around after a couple of years. He is a solid coach on both sides of the ball. He is not just a good offensive coach like rr. We definitely need a whole new defensive staff that i know!

58-44-6

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 11:47 a.m.

I think they should have fired Mark Dantonio after his 3rd year, he lost to Central Michigan at home in his 3rd year!!! He had a losing record (6-7) in his 3rd year!!!!! He will never do anything in his 4th year...2010 OOPS Be patient my babies

DonAZ

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 11:15 a.m.

Denard Robinson is a wonderful young man. He's a good QB but not a great one yet. Michigan's lack of compelling wins hurts his candidacy for All Big Ten. Tolzien, Cousins and Pryor will get consideration before Robinson.

P U MSU

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 10:52 a.m.

And what was Dantonio's record in his third year?

Sean T.

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 9:53 a.m.

When it came to quality players, Michigan was equal to OSU. You say that rebuilding teams takes time to develop because of RR's vaunted spread but please explain this to me. OSU, for the last 40+ years have been a pro-style offense and changed their scheme from the moment Terrelle Pryor became the starter. His sophomore season they installed a complete "pistol" offense without skipping a beat. They were still competitive with players made for a different system. MSU's coach installed a pro-style system with "spread" players and went to a bowl. This is after consectutive double-digit loss seasons with the prior coach who was a laughing-stock. They won 9 games in their second season and have went to a bowl game every season he has been there. (Yikes!) This is with talented players transferring and off-the field issues. Many of us know that it takes considerable time to get "your own" players but being competitive and having basic fundamentals is about "COACHING"! RR has not done this in 3 seasons.

Skipit3

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 7:21 a.m.

If RR can recruit a high-caliber player like Denard, what makes you think that he won't be able to bring others onboard? Give the guy the benefit of the doubt! If Murphy did not interfere with the defense (Warren, Cissoko, Dorsey, Woolfolk, Floyd, Emilien, Turner, etc), do you honestly believe that the team would have struggled that much defensively? I have not been able to post that much lately because of my schedule, but it really turns my stomach every time I get a chance to read some of these posts on aa.com. It's unbelievable how much nonsense is written on these forums by so-called intelligent people. There are those that want RR gone because of their own prejudice against the guy and those that don't use any kind of logical thought process to justify his firing since their arguments are based solely on his win-loss record at Michigan. Others use the pretext that RR is not ethical, yet many of those same people use their employers' time and resources to read sport articles online and post comments on them; it's so easy to judge the other guy, isn't it? Records don't necessarily tell the whole story. While it is very hurtful for every Michigan fan to watch the team struggle, patience nonetheless goes a long way. There is no guarantee that this team will be so bad next season; a team being rebuilt tends to be bad along the way. If one observes RR carefully and with an open-mind, one can see in him a very competitive, passionate, and resilient person. People with those attributes are not losers; they are fighters. They may fall, but they never stay down. RR will rebound whether at Michigan or elsewhere. I just hope that the Michigan team will rebound with him for it will take longer for the team to rebound without him. If only we could be more patient.

Jim Nazium

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 6:27 a.m.

This article is about DR and his worthiness for Big Ten honors. Heck Yes he should win. He is surrounded by arguably the Youngest Team in the Big Ten still undergoing its rebuilding. It is his FIRST YEAR Starting, so he's practically a Freshman. Yes he ate up yardage against non-stellar teams and he is supposed to. He/we also lost to whom this year? Oh yeah, Top Ten Teams ( now or at one time ) in the Country, with top notch defenses and experienced personal. Some of you are just Sick, this Kid took a Beating out there for us ( REAL MICHIGAN FANS ) and has the Heart of a Lion. ( not the Detroit Lion of course, we all know there is no pulse there ) but Dang, cut him some slack, he learned this offense, improved his passing and has made some of the most exciting plays in Michigan History. All you Negative Nellies just keep sitting on your couches playing with your navel lint while the rest of us who actually played the game appreciate the Gem we have here in Ann Arbor in Denard Robinson and give him and the Program our Full Support! / rant

Antonio

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 2:08 a.m.

Why does everyone think that it is going to be Harbaugh? Really, is everyone so ready to throw their eggs into 'that' basket? If you screwed up once in hiring a coach that wasn't right for the program why would you do it twice. Why wouldn't you go through the due diligence required in finding the right coach. I think that a coach that has proven himself and might run some form of the spread offense. Hmmmm.....how many coaches come to mind. I think a coach in Idaho might be curious to find out what he could do with a higher caliber player. If he can rally his players to play at that high of a level, he will be able to work with what Michigan currently has on its plate while he brings his own recruits. I think Harbaugh and Miles are the wrong choices right now. There is a way to win now and not have to wait for another rebuilding process. RR could have done it also, yet he wanted to force the players into the system instead of the system to the players. He could have built the system up as he replenished his players later on. There was no reason for us to go 3-9, 5-7, 7-5. None. But throwing this at Harbaugh is the wrong thing to do. Why because he is a "Michigan Man". Michigan men are built fellas. It is an identity that one takes on from assimilating itself to the tradition that is UM football.

Macabre Sunset

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 1:57 a.m.

At this point, you'd have to be a Michigan State or Ohio State fan (and one with a cruel streak) to wish another year of Rodriguez on us. The defense was the first to allow 400 points in Michigan history. This just two years after Rodriguez became the first to allow 300. And in the first halves of Michigan's five losses in the Big Ten this year, Rodriguez's overrated Big-East offense netted 34 points. That's the total for five first halves, not the average. He needs to go back to a minor conference, where that stuff works better.

Edward Khil

Mon, Nov 29, 2010 : 1:22 a.m.

I finally registered so that I can comment on this funhouse you call a rational discussion, probably for the only time. First of all, RR won't be fired. Second, Greg Robinson will. Next question? Oddly, Denard will win POY in the B10, and won't be 1st or 2nd team QB. Weird, huh? I love how so many of you--ahem, folks--think it's a foregone conclusion that Rodriguez will be fired. You're going to be spitting up soup from now until New Years Day 2012, and maybe beyond. I can't speak for Brandon. But he's clearly a reasonable guy. And so Rodriguez stays, probably for years to come. If you're truly pro-Michigan, you can hop back on the bandwagon whenever you stop spitting up all over yourself. GO BLUE!!

Chris Johnson

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 10:44 p.m.

It's a very good question. It's true that he ran up the numbers against lesser teams including Notre Dame. But since he put up such crazy (many said John Madden video game stats) numbers in the beginning, his lesser numbers were overlooked. Those numbers were still good. I think that he is the only person to pass and to rush for 1,600 yards in a single season or something like that...... Also, don't forget that he was injured in sone of those games. It wasn't too often when he left the game that Michigan did better. I can't think of one QB in the Big Ten, that has more impact on a defense than DR. He MUST be at least considered.

Sherlock

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 9:54 p.m.

Shouldn't he learn how to tie his shoes?

Terrin

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 9:29 p.m.

I do not think DR deserves it. The guy is a great athlete no doubt, but most of his game is running. He isn't that great a passer. Sure, there were some dropped balls by receivers, but I'd say many of those were because of his subpar throwing ability in terms of accuracy. Further, he drops the ball quite a bit. The first loss of the season was largely his fault on account of turnovers, and mis-throws. Moreover, most other big teams do not want their quarterback running every other play because they do not want them to get hurt. Michigan's approach is different and encourages DR to run as often as possible most likely because it is effective until he gets hurt and they are worried about the rest of the running talent. My point is other quarterbacks would probably have higher running numbers as well (maybe not as high) if that was the strategy of most teams.

Peter

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 9:01 p.m.

Robinson was amazing...vs subpar competition. He certainly had an amazing year. The one post above about vick, look at the eagles record, and look at michigans record. end of story. Michigan is not competetive in the big 10. A lifelong ohio state fan, I wasnt even worried about this years game. I knew we'd destroy michigan. by how much, i wasnt sure.

SpartyInExile

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 8:44 p.m.

Yes! Name Denard Big Ten Player of the Year. Anything to keep RR in A2!

BleedMazeNBlue

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 8:29 p.m.

The answer is that Denard is QB #3. But you fail to include his rushing statistic. This is college football not the NFL. A running QB is not uncommon and often leads to MVP awards. Tim Tebow is an example. Michael Vick has 200 less completions than Tom Brady, Payton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers. Yet, he is up for MVP of the league. Why? Cause he is able to use his feet. Denard has been the most dynamic quarterback and any Big 10 team. With that said, he doesn't get my vote because of the time he spent on the sideline this year. Still love the guy though.

D21

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 5:15 p.m.

In reality, who cares about individual accolades. It is all about the T-E-A-M. Just like the Stooges, one cannot do without their teammates. RR, just resign and say thanks to UM for giving you such an incredible opportunity. RR, uh, no, you ain't taking DRob with you but you can take your 8 supporters, not counting those of the MSU ilk.

Mick52

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 4:44 p.m.

Sure a lot of DRobs stats were vs weak teams, but all those other QBs also played equally poor teams, but they did not run up their stats like DRob did. Also he missed a lot of time with injuries. Big Ten teams all had the benefit of watching those games and having time to focus on stopping DRob. I bet the bulk of Big Ten defensive players got sick of hearing his name for a week. If he is the most feared based on his performances, then he is the most valuable. Frankly I expected much better from Pryor based on the hype during recruiting. I never even heard of DRob before he was signed. I don't think any other one single player received as much focus from other teams than DRob did. How could a player who broke a national record not be the top QB in the conference? I think the Big Ten would look quite stupid not recognizing that. It is supposed to be an individual award, not an award based on how a whole team performed. I think Pete has a good point and DRob deserves the award.

Macabre Sunset

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 4:33 p.m.

I don't think he's the best quarterback in the Big Ten. You can't ignore the way the offense failed when it mattered most. These decisions have to be based on ability to move the offense against the league's best teams. As for the statistics - he's playing two positions. The numbers add up. The wins don't.

azwolverine

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 4:31 p.m.

Harbaugh would be a great first choice for coach, but I'm getting a Harbaugh or bust vibe, here. If Harbaugh does decide to stay at Stanford, I don't see any problem talking to Les Miles to gauge his interest in the job. He has done a fantastic job at a top notch program in perhaps the toughest conference in the land. He understands Michigan tradition and he would flat out win here. Again, I would love to get Harbaugh, but Miles would be a great fallback and would, imo, be a HUGE step up from what we've currently got.

wolver4ever

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:44 p.m.

Great comments "keeping it real". DR has no supporting players around him. Even his receivers are letting him down with all of the drops. If he had a RB that teams feared and 1 or 2 good receivers, this offense would be unstoppable. The kid from Florida "Hart" looks good, but that is a wait and see as there have been several disappointments

KeepingItReal

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:38 p.m.

@Ben: If DR had some decent running backs around him, you would see a difference in how other teams defend him. Look at Oregon(1). They have some very good running backs to compliment their QB. They are 11-0; Auburn(2) the same; OSU(8) the same, and more than likely Oregon and Auburn will play in the championship game. Opposing teams know that DR is the major weapon for his team so they are able to key in on him. While I think that Tate is a good QB, it is noticeable that the team slows down considerably when he is in the game. Even on those teams that have the traditional QBs, if they did not have the support of a good running game and outstanding receivers, many of those QBs would be mediocre at best.

wolver4ever

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:38 p.m.

If it is a meeting with Jim Harbough and it is a yes then make the move. Though that is not a given. Jim will have the #4 team in the country and he has ties to that area of the country too. He may decide to stay put. I agree with Glenn, if you don't have a strong commitment then we need to stay put off another year. The last thing we need is another mess like we had last time. Offensively I have no trouble staying the course. I do believe DR is a great talent and will be even better next year. Those of you that are knocking him are comparing him to 3 and 4 year starters. He is a sophomore and a first year starter. I remember Colt McCoy in his first year, average at best, but a heck of a QB with experience under his belt

D21

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:24 p.m.

Yep, Palo Alto Jim Harbough is gonna be the next head coach.

kmd

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:21 p.m.

Did any of you read the article yesterday when DB said that he was going to be out of town on business on Monday. Where do you think that business is going to take place I bet that it is Palato California when he meets with Harbaugh

marlon glenn

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:19 p.m.

Drob is a phenomenal talent. He just needs help. You can see how important a good complement of RBs is to a spread offense by watching Oregon. If Drob gets help like that, UM offense will be a nightmare to defend. Unfortunately, that does not help the defense or special teams very much. I am not sure on RR but I do know you better not fire him unless you know EXACTLY who you are bringing in and he has AGREED to come. You can not afford another coaching search debacle.

GoblueinNE_PA

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:08 p.m.

@Wolv4ever I think you are correct if we fire the Hack w/o having his replacement already in place. The coaching search would then occur during the final recruiting push and we'd be in trouble. However, Brandon will have the succession plan worked out before he makes the announcement, I'd almost guarantee it. So, even if we wait until after the bowl season, which I don't think will happen, the new coach will come in the same day RichRod is given his walking papers. There won't be any gap in our recruiting. Theo, love the "Be patient my babies" mantra. Funny stuff!

58-44-6

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:05 p.m.

Against crappier schools he runs all over, who wouldn't!? Ben wouldn't

D21

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 3:03 p.m.

If RR stays around for the 2011 season and here is what is gonna happen for UM: W Michigan 47 Western Michigan 23 L Michigan 27 Notre Dame 31 W Michigan 52 Eastern Michigan 20 L Michigan 42 San Diego State 45 W Michigan 56 Minnesota 24 W Michigan 35 Northwestern 27 L Michigan 31 Michigan State 34 W Michigan 35 Purdue 24 L Michigan 24 Iowa 31 L Michigan 0 Illinois 28 (Illini finally SHUTS DOWN RR) L Michigan 21 Nebraska 41 L Michigan 0 Ohio State 31 ('Nuther shutout) Overall record: 5-7 B10 record: 3-5

Ben

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:58 p.m.

DRob isn't even that good. Look at how defenses just obliterate him week in and week out! Against crappier schools he runs all over, who wouldn't!? The B10 player of the year will be one of the Wiscy RBs or someone else who has CARRIED their team. DRob is a GREAT runner, put him in space and he's great. Make him direct an offense and he loses composure. Please play DRob as something else (WR, HB) for the bowl game. Tate is the leader.. not DRob. Oh yeah - Bye RRod

58-44-6

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:51 p.m.

I think they should have fired Mark Dantonio after his 3rd year, he lost to Central Michigan at home in his 3rd year!!! He had a losing record (6-7) in his 3rd year!!!!! He will never do anything in his 4th year...2010 OOPS Be patient my babies

wolver4ever

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:51 p.m.

IF Brandon is going to wait until January to make a decision then I believe RichRod stays for another year and the defensive staff is gone. here is why: You would be hiring a new coach in the middle or late January which means your recruiting class that year is going to kill you especially if you are going to try to change to a new offense. result 2011 3-9. The next year you get your type of players in but they are all freshman 2012 5-7 Since you can't get everyone you need in one year, that means you are into recruiting second year. Now you are fielding Freshman and sophomores. 2013 7-5. IF Brandon does not make a move now then RichRod gets another year. You can't throw away a full year of recruiting and expect to win

GoblueinNE_PA

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:37 p.m.

BTW, any word yet on RichRod's termination? I know Brandon said he'd wait till after the bowl game, but he was just saying that before the game to keep the players heads on straight. We all know it's coming, just some of us keep struggling against the inevitable.

GoblueinNE_PA

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:33 p.m.

I really like DRob and think eventually he COULD be something special, but he's not that right now. He along with the rest of the offense disappeared against the fair to good teams. The stats he rolled up were skewed by over the top performances against bad teams. A player of the year has to perform week in and week out and that didn't happen. DRob is an honorable mention at best for All Big 10. Tolzien, Pryor, and Stanzi were all better, of the teams we played. Persa would probably be on that list too if we'd played them and he'd not been injured. Also, I thought Theo's alter ego would have been deleted after the game Saturday, but I see he's still persisting with the laughable "predictions". Good on ya Theo! Keep on keeping on dude. It's funny stuff!

Jaxon5

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:25 p.m.

I disagree with you on this one Pete. You can't be Big Ten offensive player of the year on a team that went 3-5 in the conference. Also, DR was not steady enough in the conference to win first team quarterback. He was very good, but not the best.

stunhsif

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:24 p.m.

Denard should win Big Ten honors, but will he? For what, throwing the most interceptions!

RobbiesBoyfriend

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:20 p.m.

Also, there is the problem with Robinsons stats looking the best against the worst teams. I dont think he really had a great game against a great team. Isnt a First teamer supposed to be a guy who Shines against the best competition?

7718

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:20 p.m.

Great players will elevate the games of others. UM needs a leader and DR looks like he is it...lead by example.

aarox

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:17 p.m.

ummm... did anybody read the article? The article is about who performed best this year. As far as I can tell none of the comments have much to do with it. If I'm missing something let me know, I've been wrong before.... But I will respond to the article: First half offense against good teams: Ohio State: 7 Wisky: 0 Iowa: 7 Michigan state: 10 I don't see how this makes 2nd string Big Ten much less first. Just my $0.02. I'm sure there is another stat out there that will lead to the opposite conclusion. But scoring while its still a game is important imho.

RobbiesBoyfriend

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 2:14 p.m.

THE TEAM, THE TEAM, THE TEEEEEEEEEEEEAM. Personal stats and awards mean NOTHING when the team is a complete failure. when Howard and Woodson won the Heisman (And a slew of other awards) THE TEAM was a success along with them.

58-44-6

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 1:45 p.m.

They will treat the rest of the Big Ten like they did Illinois this year "Denard Robinsons speed is sick, he's the fastest player I've ever seen"... Chris Spielman ( one of the greatest Buckeyes ever) Be patient my babies...

58-44-6

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 1:43 p.m.

They will treat the Big Ten next year like they did Bowling Green this year... Be patient my babies

Matt

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 1:37 p.m.

Where was that almighty offense against good teams this year?

58-44-6

Sun, Nov 28, 2010 : 1:30 p.m.

We need a new defensive scheme and coordinater, I think we can have an average defense next year (24 points a game) and the best offense in the history of mankind, and then... Michigan 77 Western Michigan 3 Michigan 45 Notre Dame 31 Michigan 87 Eastern Michigan 0 Michigan 52 San Diego State 24 Michigan 66 Minnesota 14 Michigan 45 Northwestern 17 Michigan 41 Michigan State 24 Michigan 59 Purdue 6 Michigan 38 Iowa 17 Michigan 45 Illinois 24 Michigan 35 Nebraska 31 Michigan 38 Ohio State 31 Michigan 41 Ohio State 34 ( Big Ten Championship) Michigan 41 Alabama 27 ( National Championship) I have never seen a Offense with this many underclassmen and a first year Quarterback average 500/yards a game, next years offense will be incredible... " Ohio State loses 7 starters on defense "Denard Robinsons speed is sick, he's the fastest player I've ever seen"... Chris Spielman ( one of the greatest Buckeyes ever) Be patient my babies...