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Posted on Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 5:20 p.m.

Report: Ohio State scoffs at majors of Michigan football players with sign at football facility

By Kyle Meinke

Brady Hoke takes a lot of pride in what Michigan has to offer as a university, and uses the school's academic reputation as a key selling point in his recruiting pitch.


Kevin Noon/Buckeye Grove

He'd take exception to any school or coach knocking that reputation. That's why Ohio State's latest jab at his football program is sure to cause a stir.

A photo has surfaced of a sign that reportedly has been posted at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center scoffing at the majors of Michigan football players.

The sign compares the academic pursuits of the Wolverines to those of the Buckeyes, highlighting the fact that 24 percent of Michigan players major in general studies. Enrollment in more rigorous programs such as engineering (2 percent), biology (1 percent) and business (0 percent) is much more uncommon.

The top major of Ohio State players, according to the sign, is communication at 14 percent. Family resource management is next at 10 percent.

It's the latest move in a series of slights by the two schools toward each other. Hoke just sticks to calling his rival "Ohio," and has gotten athletic director Dave Brandon and basketball coach John Beilein to follow suit. Then, the Buckeyes listed Michigan as "That School Up North" on their football facility schedule.

How will Hoke react to the jab at his program's academics? He typically doesn't fire back at fellow coaches, but he just might make an exception for this one as it strikes at a source of pride, and comes from his chief rival.

Stay tuned.

Kyle Meinke covers Michigan football for He can be reached at 734-623-2588, by email at and followed on Twitter @kmeinke.


Albee Macaw

Wed, Feb 29, 2012 : 2:53 a.m.

Being an Ohio State Fan lets be real. These guys are not given scholarships to either university because they are Rhodes Scholar candidates, .As; long as we continue to get the blue shippers in Ohio (5 and counting in 2013) your school will be nothing more then a stepping stone to ANOTHER National Championship.

Mark North

Fri, Feb 24, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.

THE Ohio State University will never measure up to THE University of Michigan as an academic institution no matter how much they boast of their football team. And, we ought to start referring to them as what they are: That Big High School in Ohio.

Larry Weisenthal

Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 7:52 a.m.

One of my all time favorites was the late Jim Mandich, Captain of the 1969 team that had the greatest victory in the history of Michigan football. Jim was also an economics major and an academic All American. He went on to the college football Hall of Fame, a great pro career with the Miami Dolphins, and a successful career as a broadcaster, before his untimely death (cholangiocarcinoma) last year at age 62 I'd be curious to see a list of majors for that 1969 team; to see if things have changed or pretty much remained the same. Same for the Ohio team of that year. Here's a nice honor roll of Michigan football academic All Americans: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> - Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 9:30 p.m.

The percentage of buckeyed players majoring in Self Tattooing 101 is around 35% Next is 17% of them majoring in Used Car -101 (yes minus)


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 9:21 p.m.

Urban Blight/The Urban Myth sounds more and more like any buckeyed troll in here than a HC these days. Hoke Is It! TiM

Nathan Parke

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 5:57 p.m.

This attempt to belittle Michigan by Meyer is pretty weak. The numbers dont represent anything of Importance. There have obviously been some courses left out on both sides to make ohio look better than it is. What is most telling about this juvenile jabb is that Meyer cant stand on what ohio is and has to bring other programs into his arguement to feel better about his school/program. The only reason he even put this up is his lack of confidence in ohio. Its especially weak after Aldophus Washington when committing to ohio said in his press conference &quot;no matter if you giving minimal effort, you cant fail at OSU&quot;. Meyer really isnt as smart as what his fans and himself thinks he is. Its pretty laughable to be real about it.

Mike D

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 5:03 p.m.

This is the kind of analysis that you complete and don't publish if you are Ohio State &quot;Family Resource Management&quot; and &quot;Communications&quot; top the list? Get in line for a job at McDonalds's or Big Boy with these majors.

Lou Apostolakis

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 2:01 p.m.

Ohio's &quot;smart&quot; football player breakdown by major: BIOLOGY: Walk-ons: four. Scholarship players: zero. ENGINEERING: Walk-ons: six. Scholarship players: one. DE Darryl Baldwin is an ME. BUSINESS: Walk-ons: five. Scholarship players: one. Jordan Whiting. Taylor Graham is listed as one and has transferred. [UPDATE: Whiting is now considering a transfer to Louisville.]

Larry Weisenthal

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 7:08 a.m.

All schools have &quot;gut&quot; (is that term still in use?) majors for athletes. In the Ivies, it's psychology. Actually, the main thing this article did for me is to give me an even greater appreciation for Jeremy Lin (economics major, which, at Harvard, is darn tough). Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach CA

rik paavola

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 5:11 a.m.

At Michigan, you actually have to pass exams.....and Michigan girls are prettier.

Terry Star21

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 3:46 a.m.

I really think the graduation rates come in to effect in this situation and the rates; Michigan 72%, ohio 60% and msu 14% really say it all. Since the beginning of time in Academics and Sports, the true fact is ohio and msu have been chasing Michigan. In football ohio is 11-13 against M since the mid-eighties and 43-58 overall including a beat-down in the Big House in November, and msu has lost 6 out of the last ten and 67 of 100. Even when msu is playing out of the heads, they lose and Michigan gets a BCS bowl, wins and gets the higher national ranking. In basketball, well we just saw the ohio beat down and poor msu has lost three of the last four. But the overall consensus by all is, it only will get worse for ohio and woefully worse for msu - and that is rally sad. Oh yes, I think they will always have good games against each other , which is necessary - but the red and also the green will always come up short, thus 'chasing the Michigan'. True but painful to some.


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 2:05 p.m.

Where'd you go to school Terry? Michigan has one co-national championship in football since 1948. Last Big 10 football championship was in 2004. Program has NEVER had back-to-back 11 win seasons as MSU had in 2010-11. Spartans league best 7-1 record in 2011, league best record of 7-1 in 2010, league best 14-2 in 2010, league best 24-8 from 2008-11. Do you get the picture? Isn't this blog about math? Do the simple math! MSU has a 14% graduation rate?....PLEASE! Where do you get this stuff?


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 1:48 a.m.

According to the program of study and number of football players per are as follows: Not showing the ones with just one student. The U of M Major # of players Literature, Science, &amp; Arts 24 General Studies 23 Kinesiology 20 Sociology 9 Afro-American and African Studies 4 Political Science 3 Engineering 2 Brain, Behavior and Cognitive Science 2 O$U Major # of players Exploring 18 Undeclared 11 Communication 9 Sport and Leisure Studies 7 Family Resource Management 7 Business 6 Criminology 5 Mechanical Engineering 5 Exercise Science  5 Management and Industry 4 Biology 4 Marketing  3 Political Science 2 This differs from the Ohio list and hides their top two programs of &quot;exploring&quot; and &quot;undecided&quot;. Why would they not tell the truth about something this important to an 18 year old kid and their family? Thank you for the link Kyle. <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 1:41 a.m.

I read part of this article just to figure out what the headline meant. Geez, what a mess of a headline! Majors - like with medals and all - and did the football players carry the sign? The actuality is boring in comparison!


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:15 p.m.

Rabid says....&quot;Maybe I am just a dumb engineer, but that comparison makes no sense. If it is indeed in % then why would you not show the total 100% breakdown. The answer is most likely because TDDS has something to hide and have used numbers that show them in a good light. I call BS!&quot; Rabid...with more than 100 players on a football team don't ya think that they'd run out of room on the sign? It was a long time ago; but I went to engineering school at MSU despite being accepted at UM, Purdue, Northwestern and Illinois ...had to say that in anticipation of the &quot;because you couldn't get accepted at UM?&quot;....yada, yada, yada. I didn't need to take advanced differential equations to realize that a long list of 1%, 1%, 1%, 1%, 1% for majors of all players wouldn't really be necessary to make the point. I think that the sign makes it's point whether you like it or not. Gotta have some place to hide many of those players. Perhaps it is their retort to, among others, &quot;Liar, liar vest on fire!&quot; Nice to know that sub-Urban and Hoke are fighting over the right to be runners up to UW and MSU in their respective divisions. MSU will beat you both then move on to Indianapolis on December 1. Be sure to mark your calendar.


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 1:59 p.m.

Stonum. Scoreboard. If DickRod had been a better recruiter Pryor would have been all yours. Sometimes it's good to be bad!


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 3:39 a.m.

At least Michigan &quot;hides&quot; our players in degree programs. MSU hides their hoodlums in the East Lansing lock up.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 10:55 p.m.

Trying to confirm this story, urban legend (no, not coach)? I was told several years ago that the team from Ohio was the only one in the big ten that had a college course called &quot;football&quot; and that, obviously, the football players &quot;took&quot; it and got credit. Is this true? Are they still the one and only? This was under cheaty mcsweater so I don't tend to doubt it.

David Paris

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 10:42 p.m.

I'm just wondering, of those 24% majoring in general studies... how many of them were recruited by Coach Rodriguez? Let's look at this issue again in three years.

A2 Resident

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 9:08 p.m.

MGoBlog did some nice investigative reporting refuting the numbers on this board: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Would be nice to see do this kind of investigating before they publish their articles.

Ann Arbor Red

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 7:30 p.m.

Oh now wait, we can't forget how Terrelle Pryor left this up in the library. The Notorious &quot;Resarch Paper&quot; <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:16 p.m.

Kyle, what majors make up the missing 55% for Michigan and missing 41% for Ohio?

Kyle Meinke

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : midnight

Thanks! Will do.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:36 p.m.

lol, &quot;Exploring.&quot;


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:30 p.m.

Thanks, Kyle. And thanks for all your football article contributions during this off-season. They've been great reads!

Kyle Meinke

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:24 p.m.

There's a good list here at MGoBlog: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>

John Kelly

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:05 p.m.

For the person who commented on the graduation rates of the two schools, it should be noted that the footballs rate only rose above 55% after they started using the general studies major.

Joe Kidd

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:53 p.m.

I do not see any difference in quality of majors. At osu: Communications: How to use a smart phone. Family Resource Management: How to write checks and balance a checkbook, and Our Friend the Debit Card. Business: Mart shopping: Bus 101 KMart Bus 102 Walmart Engineering school: How to drive a train, including toy trains. Biology: How to plant a garden Sports and Leisure Studies: Golf Criminology: 101 Jail is better than prison


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:04 p.m.

Happy to read there are majors available at Ohio and the players are in a program.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:16 p.m.

This is just more evidence of the type of low standards Meyer is setting at TSIO. Allowing this lame attempt at making fun of Michigan vs. actually trying to improve the academic standards of the football program down there shows what direction he's headed.

John Kelly

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:06 p.m.

Michigan has an awful long way to go itself and is far from a shining example given their well documented history.

cactus charlie

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:02 p.m.

There is nothing wrong with General Studies. Non athletes sign up for this degree since it does not require 2 years of a foreign language. It is a good degree for those wanting to go to professional schools. It gives them great latitude regarding classes. General Studies is more vigorous than Commumnication (most OSU football players need this) or Family Resource Management. It is impressive that 8 OSU players are in the Business School and 8 are in Engineering.


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 4:18 p.m.

Side note, the majority of the difficult majors listed for tsio are from the walk-ons, of the 8 engineering 1 is a scholarship football player...


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 3:45 a.m.

Peg dash fab said: &quot;I don't recall ever meeting a Family Resource Management major along the way.&quot; Sure you did, he was the guy that said &quot;Do you want fries with that?&quot;

peg dash fab

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:26 p.m.

My BGS got me into PhD programs at UMass, UNC, Duke, Rutgers, and Cornell; I turned them all down for a free ride at Princeton, where I earned an MA, MSE, and PhD. I don't recall ever meeting a Family Resource Management major along the way.

Ted Bundy

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:26 p.m.

Eh... I went to WMU's &quot;Business School&quot; and it was pretty easy, other than the accounting classes(which I majored in). I could give them a pat on the back for the engineering majors though. But to compare O$U's engineering programs to UM's is completely silly.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:42 p.m.

Actually Michigan's academics, or lack there of, is a big deal. UM was last in the big 10 in APR for 2010. In fact there APR is so low that if it is not raised, they will not be bowl eligible in 2012/2013. APR for you lackies: Academic Progress Rating <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> I included the address so A2 James can see how rediculous his claim is.

Nathan Parke

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 5:50 p.m.

If your going to point out the APR statistics you have to acknowledge what it entails and why its low at the moment. The coaching changes and Players tranfering is the reason why its low right now. The next 2-3 years we are going to see the APR number improve a bunch. So use the APR while you can because its very fluid to what is going on with the roster.


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 12:53 a.m.

uh, Marcus, stating a completely different &quot;fact&quot; from the topic beings discussed (by rightmind) is pretty much &quot;not letting the facts get in the way&quot;... your &quot;data&quot; in no way refutes what rightmind stated. It has no bearing whatsoever.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:03 p.m.

Thats GSR goof, The ncaa doesn't use this flawed method because it doesn't include the drug addicts and drunks that got kicked out of school. You should be a little embarassed, but too smug to realize your mistake.

Marcus Ray was Right!

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:53 p.m.

Speaking of rediculous [sic]. Please don't let facts get in the way of beliefs. Source: NCAA GSR database. Rank Instituion Sport Graduation Success Rate 14 Northwestern University Football 94 30 Pennsylvania State University Football 87 38 University of Iowa Football 83 66 University of Illinois, Champaign Football 76 92 University of Michigan Football 71 116 University of Nebraska, Lincoln Football 67 116 Ohio State University Football 67 122 Indiana University, Bloomingtom Football 66 122 University of Wisconsin, Madison Football 66 151 Michigan State University Football 62 182 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Football 59 182 Purdue University Football 59


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:25 p.m.

Those numbers could be anything, like how many football players graduated with these degrees in the past 4 years, or 5 years, or offensive linenman or whatever. Apparently Kyle, just thought percentages up there because it sounded good


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 9:17 p.m.

Obviously it is not percentages . . . .

Kyle Meinke

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:57 p.m.

A colleague of mine who covers Ohio State told me they are percentages. It also has been widely reported by others that they are percentages.

Marcus Ray was Right!

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:23 p.m.

Here is something interesting. QS World University Rankings: 2011 rank 2010 rank Institution 1 1 University of Cambridge 2 2 Harvard University 3 5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 4 3 Yale University 5 6 University of Oxford 6 7 Imperial College London 7 4 UCL (University College London) 8 8 University of Chicago 9 12 University of Pennsylvania 10 11 Columbia University 11 13 Stanford University 12 9 California Institute of Technology (Caltech) 13 10 Princeton University 14 15 University of Michigan Other Big Ten Schols 2011 Ranking Northestern 24 Wisconsin 41 Illinois 61 Purdure 88 Penn State 94 Minnesota 102 Ohio State 111 Michigan State 164 Iowa 192 Indiana 216 Nebraska (Not in top 400)


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 3:49 a.m.

I'm surprised that OSU is ranked that high really.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:06 p.m.

At least it is better to be &quot;ranked&quot; than &quot;rank&quot;

peg dash fab

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:17 p.m.

Man, Ohio didn't even make the top 100. That is sad.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.

"As for Ohio's billboard here: Class organizations do not trash other organizations in weak attempts to make themselves look better. A class organization will trumpet their own merits and not talk about other organizations in a negative light." (Steve McQueen) Certainly! As exhibited in so many of the comments on this blog.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:46 p.m.

I have heard that if you put your degree from OHIO on your windshield you can park inn handicapped spots.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:26 p.m.

How telling that Communications is the # 1 course taken by football Buckeyes...for the first time in their lives grunting and gesturing won`t do... they have to learn to form a sentence. Must be tough for them lol


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:24 p.m.

This whole thing is silly, including most of these comments. Let's face it, as far as they're concerned, most players are majoring in football. We should encourage and be proud of those athletes who do choose meaningful majors to fall back on, whether they're from Ohio or beloved Michigan. Granted that sign is petty, but is it such a bad thing to encourage players to take pride in their academics?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:19 p.m.

This has been said above, but when your athletes' top two majors are Communications and Family Resource Management then I really don't think you have much room to argue. Also, the fact that athletes who spend 30-40 hours a week on their sports don't typically major in Cellular Molecular Biology should surprise anyone. This isn't just true in the Big Ten. Stanford has a special list of courses available only to athletes help them find less demanding classes: <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:41 p.m.

Family Resource Management: How to divide the free pizza you bring home from your delivery job.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:33 p.m.

Curiously they don't happen to factor in the &quot;degree of difficulty&quot; of getting a degree at Michigan vs OSU. That's like equally scoring a cannonball to a forward two-and-a-half somersault in diving. They aren't equal and trying to compare them without weighting is meaningless. I'll take a General Studies degree from Michigan over any degree from OSU.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:06 p.m.

funny that a glorified community college who's credits rarely ransfer to any other school would put up a sign like this. typical ohio propagnda, don't let facts get in the way of your lies.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:37 p.m.

24% Communications + &quot;Family Studies&quot; = 24% General I right? And didn't I just read an article about Urban Meyer regarding negative recruiting and that he would not disparage the Michigan name? Well, I guess if he calls us &quot;The Team Up North,&quot; he's technically keeping his word.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:39 p.m.

I obviously meant &quot;Family Resource Management.&quot; What a euphemism!


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:29 p.m.

i goto school here, so i'm all for umich. but we ought to stop pretending like our athletes are anything more than another school's athletes. and it's not as if umich athletes leave the school with anything more than an osu athlete.


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 4:16 p.m.

General studies majors still take classes with other Michigan students with Michigan professors, it's still a difficult class load. It might be easier than engineering or physics, but you're competing against pre-meds and pre-laws in those classes.


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 1:40 a.m.

Scott, how do you know this? everyone i know recognizes that the &quot;General Studies&quot; major is a complete joke, designed to allow football players to take easy classes. i'm sure Ohio State has a similar major. Umich is certainly a better school overall as compared to Ohio State, but let's not kid ourselves about what football players doing a General Studies major are doing here. They are here entertaining us on Saturdays (as they prepare for a career in entertainment on Sundays) and are taking the easy road out with their academics. same thing at Ohio State and every other big time football program.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:37 p.m.

There are lower standards for some athletes than for the general student body. But no way are Michigan's standards as low as Ohio or the SEC.

peg dash fab

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:16 p.m.

If the topic is &quot;accademics&quot; then it's OK to use non-words like &quot;goto&quot; et al. AMIRITE?

Blue Marker

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:05 p.m.

No disrespect but you don't represent your school very well when you use non-words such as &quot;goto&quot; and don't capitalize at the begining of a sentence. I realize posting on these boards is a bit more casual but the topic is accademics.

Steve Hendel

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:43 a.m.

Let's be honest; &quot;Family Resource Management,&quot; the major of ten OSU players, sounds just as jive as &quot;General Studies&quot; or many of the other majors for both teams. The obvious fact is that athletes are recruited primarily for their athletic ability, and (for the most part) the academic portion of their education is not much more than an afterthought.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 9:05 a.m.

Oh, I missed this on first reading: &quot;A photo has surfaced of a sign that reportedly has been posted at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center...&quot; Is that the Woody Hayes Senile Dementia Assault Other Teams' Players Athletic Center??? Thought so. It's fitting that Ohioans would pick that one for lasting memorialization. Gotta say: Thanks for providing such RICH GROUND for destroying any last shred of Ohio State credibility. I would imagine that anyone using such &quot;tactics&quot; to tilt the rivalry between Michigan and Ohio in Ohio's favor would be down on their knees praying that they manage a few wins in the next 10 years. But nooo, I think there'll be no such rational thinking going on down there in Colobus (Monkey Town). Now... I'm beginning to feel fear at the very thought of &quot;traveling through Ohio.&quot; Is that where the real Zombie Apocalypse will begin?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 7:23 a.m.

No, Michigan has not been &quot;zinged&quot; - read on. Okay: I'll concede - that Ohio players are studying &quot;communication&quot;so long as it's understood that &quot;communication&quot; includes mindless bragging about their second rate university. Ohio (State University - not State Prison) is ranked SEVENTEENTH academically in the nation. University of MICHIGAN is ranked FOURTH. OSU, by the way, is ranked lower than Wisconsin, Illinois and Penn State as well. (Michigan State is ranked: 28th!!) In world rankings: OSU stands somewhere around 87th while Michigan ranks 18th. Lets also concede that more Ohio players study &quot;Family resource management&quot; - so long as its understood that this is just a made up name for high school HOME ECONOMICS. Ohio Pansy Boys love to do dat biscuit baking and dusting off doz knick-knacks at de Bob Evans School Of Not So Good Cookin', you know.


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 12:45 a.m.

Do you people just make up stuff? WHERE did you come up with UM being ranked 4th in the nation academically? wish i lived in your world!


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:11 a.m.

Uh.....that's &quot;THE Team Up North&quot;, thank you.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:01 a.m.

I think Ohio should just focus on eliminating the criminality. Jobs with no pay. $200 for gas money. memorabilia for tats. Tat parlor is a drug den and the owner is up on charges of murder. Booster giving jobs =pay no work-is a gangster. The head coach lies to the NCAA. the University president says &quot; Gee I hope coach Tressel doesn't fire me&quot;. Then they build a wall to honor him after he resigns in disgrace. If Michigan did these things I'd burn my diploma. Thank you my beloved alma mater for no letting DD in a couple years back, for removing MO from the team, for hiring an AD and head coach with integrity.


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 1:56 p.m.

Scott - How'd ya feel about the Fab 5?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4 a.m.

To the ohio faithful. I wouldn't be dancing around the old horse chestnut tree too soon. How many players did the old &quot;urbanator&quot; have in trouble and in jail when he was in florida(and for such a short time)? Was it 24 or 25 or maybe 35? I forget. I'm sure you don't want or need any more negative situations for your almamater. Watch Him! He may take the bloom off the Buckeye Flower.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:57 a.m.

i guess when you see the headlights of a &quot;M&quot;ac truck heading right for you and you know your going to take the hit, you panic and spin anything to try and make yourself look better then you really are. . .&quot;O&quot;h that going to leave a mark. . .GO BLUE!!!!!!


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:52 a.m.

As far as the numbers go; If you have 85 on scholarship then ohio did not figure in 26 of their players or 40 of Michigan's players. If they were talking percentages, then ohio did not include 41% of their players or did they figure in 55% of Michigan's players. Either way it adds up to this-----the Michigan majors they left off would have hurt their numbers and the ohio majors they left off would have also hurt their numbers. But then who's counting?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:45 a.m.

Back in the late 70's the Ivey league schools knocked the Big 10 for the easy majors, citing communications as one of them. Now ohio holds communications up as a major of repute. And family resource management is supposed to be better than general studies? This is at best a silly argument on their behalf. All schools have majors that are geared for the athlete. You want your football players to train, study the opponent, wacth film, win for your school, do charitable work, never get into trouble or act like 18 and 19 year olds, and take classes as hard as law school or med school. Get real! If this is what the coaching staff at ohio thinks is a great recruiting tool, then I just lost a whole bunch more respect for the old &quot;urbanator&quot;. Even kids who eventually chose ohio said that Hoke and his staff NEVER put down any other school. NEVER!

Marcus Ray was Right!

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:38 a.m.

Open enrollment for all state of Ohio high schools graduates to OSU. That is one step below being able to fog a mirror. I guess that big 0 on the front of their uniforms is the IQ required to attend OSU.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:20 a.m.

I will be impressed when Ohio athletes start attending class.

josh uy

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:12 a.m.

Somehow I would bet that a general studies program at Michigan is as tough as a pre med at Ohio State. How many buckeyes does it take to change a lightbulb? One but they get 3 credits for it. (maybe in engineering)


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:12 a.m.

It's ridiculous for OSU to ever attempt this. OSU &quot;Education&quot; = Yugo. Michigan Education = Mercedes Benz. I'd take a Michigan BGS Grad over any knucklehead with any degree from OSU. My youngest daughter hasn't started kindergarten yet and she's already smarter than most OSU alums. What this really shows is how little Urban understands the Big 10 and the OSU/UM rivalry. Only a neophyte would attempt to make this comparison. Or a snake oil salesman.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:41 p.m.

Haven't heard from you in a while NE. That comment was classic!!

Blue Marker

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:10 a.m.

Yet again Michigan is the school by which they measure themselves. Too bad they'll never quite add up.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:54 a.m.

If these numbers represent percentages, they don't add up to 100%, so that can't be. If these numbers represent how many players major in each of the respective disciplines, they still don't add up. Michigan's roster has over 100 players on it. The numbers on the Michigan side only add up to 45. Something's not right here. I'll chalk it up to whoever made the sign being a total schmuck.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:45 a.m.

I wonder how the OSU &quot;Communications&quot; majors will concentrate.... in other words, how many &quot;play-by-play&quot; specialists and how many &quot;color commentator&quot; specialists.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:44 p.m.

Well if that is what got Spielman the job, the program should lose accreditation.

Tom Joad

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:27 a.m.

As I recall a BGS bachelor of general studies' main selling point was that no foreign language is required... I took Latin...


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:41 p.m.

It was a selling point indeed.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:13 a.m.

If you can't beat Michigan in overall wins, national championships, or Big Ten Championships, you need to take your swipe elsewhere I guess. I will tell you one thing, I would bet Ohio players have more tatoo's than Michigan players! GO BLUE!!!


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 2:12 a.m.

Desperate and pointless. The best way to contain an OSU player is not to pay his bail.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:52 a.m.

&quot;The Team Up North&quot; 1. North is generally placed at the top of a map. 2. The top position can be referred to as superior. 3. Therefore, &quot;The Team Up North&quot; is the superior team.


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 1:53 p.m.

That's what Spartan fans have been sayin all along.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 5:59 p.m.

Yes indeed--that's MSU.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:52 a.m.

&quot;How will Hoke react to the jab at his program's academics?&quot; He'll score EIGHT 4* commitments in two days... several of which had Buckeye offers. I'd say that's pretty succinct response.

Steve McQueen

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:32 a.m.

Coach Hoke referring to them as Ohio, is not a &quot;slight&quot;.... it is the way that he does it, because growing up in Ohio that is what the school there was referred too. Bo and Woody used to call them Ohio as well... there are clips of Bo calling them Ohio back in the 70s on Youtube. If Ohio people get upset by their school being called that, well that is on them because to Coach Hoke, he is just following tradition. As for Ohio's billboard here: Class organizations do not trash other organizations in weak attempts to make themselves look better. A class organization will trumpet their own merits and not talk about other organizations in a negative light. This is where Michigan and Ohio differ.... and recruits see it... they know they are going with Class in AA vs. trash talk down south...

peg dash fab

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:11 p.m.

The icing on the cake is Ohio's ignorant phrase &quot;that team up north.&quot; They should know: it's &quot;that school up north.&quot; So stupid. #goblue


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:18 a.m.

<a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Charlie Zeller, a RS Sophomore, is enrolled in Ross School of Business, majoring in Business Administration. What was it you were saying, Ohio?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:02 a.m.

Is Family Resource Management the same as middle school health class?

Lou Apostolakis

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:58 a.m.

Family Resource Management. Oh, that is priceless. We called the &quot;home ec&quot; in middle school. That is where they learn how to bake peanut butter criss-cross cookies and sew little &quot;go bucks&quot; cheer banners.

Irvine CA

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:39 a.m.

Family Resources Planning? What kind of degree is that? Isn't that used to call &quot;Balancing your Check Book?&quot; Ohio have to spend 4 whole years to learn that? You can go to medical school, MBA, or Law School after graduating from General Studies, you know. Our degrees are way more superior than those from Ohio.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:36 a.m.

Awesome. It doesn't matter if your players will NEVER have to use their major. #nflLONGEVITY


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:31 a.m.

If there wasn't a picture, I'd be saying &quot;you've gotta be kidding me&quot;. I don't know what's so bad about general studies--it is a broad based major which allows you to take a variety of classes of different disciplines (though if not used appropriately, it could likely be used). This whole thing with majors goes back to that article that A2news had a few years ago, and raises the question: are we doing the athletes right if we don't give them more focused studies. But for Ohio to jab Michigan when their top one is &quot;communications&quot; and second is &quot;Family Resource Management&quot; (whatever that is) is bush league and stupid. Makes them look really dumb. Both schools should be looking at ways of making the entire college experience better for both schools, not poking and sticking out your tongue. Stupid.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:04 a.m.

If I were a kid going into that room, I'd see a bit of an inferiority complex there. It kind of reminds me of that Alanis Morissette song &quot;You Outta Know&quot;... and Ohio is Alanis Morissette...

Chris Blackstone

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:03 a.m.

A look at the Ohio State Undergraduate Majors indicates that Family Resource Management is not an undergraduate degree <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> Might this be a football-player-only degree program?

John Kelly

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 6:03 p.m.

The reason it doesn't show up is because it is a graduate program.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:13 a.m.

Is this another self reported violation to go with the other 375? Who they going have resign for this fake degree, the sign painter? <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a>


Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:59 p.m.

meanwhile, over at northwestern.....


Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:59 p.m.

Not shown on the sign: Big Ten Football Graduation Rates, 2011: Michigan 72%, Ohio State 60%


Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:57 p.m.

Family Resource Management. What is that? Buying food and paying the rent?


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 12:22 a.m.

Pryor took this class, it is a class on how to get free rental cars. Maybe even a job that you don't need to show up for. You know, for the family.

Eric Cali

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:56 p.m.

@Poorman, good point. Their math doesn't add up! On the other hand, not all the majors (of the same name) at different schools are created equal. UMich is a much more demanding school. Oh, what's up with Ohio's Family Resource Management? Learn how to facilitate your family members or pay the bills?


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 1:52 p.m.

What makes you think that one BIg 10 university is more demanding than another? UM's entry requirements for football players are no different than at any other BIG school other than Northwestern.

Rabid Wolverine

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:51 p.m.

Maybe I am just a dumb engineer, but that comparison makes no sense. If it is indeed in % then why would you not show the total 100% breakdown. The answer is most likely because TDDS has something to hide and have used numbers that show them in a good light. I call BS!


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 12:23 a.m.

just a guess, but it's probably because # 7 on the UM side is 0...meaning everything else is below 1% also, making more of a breakdown meaningless. I don't want to see another 20(?) majors with 0 listed next to them.


Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:48 p.m.

Just because you were arrested doesn't credit you as studying criminology. Did the engineering students do the math? The percentages don't add to 100.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 4:19 p.m.

But their graduation rate in criminology should be one of their best percentages. Certainly had a good leader at the helm for a while


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 3:24 p.m.

I don't know myself, but how many players on both sides are &quot;undeclared&quot; ? (and knowing how many credits you can be into your education, would help answer this at both schools) Addtonally, It could be anything, like how many football players graduated with these degrees in the past 4 years, or 5 years, or offensive linenman or whatever. Kyle, apparently just through percentages up there because it sounded good Secondly, this piece is pure speculation, I wouldn't doubt the reporter's made it up to generate controversy.

Rabid Wolverine

Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:25 p.m.

That would still leave out about 80 players as there are 120 to a team.


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 1:18 a.m.

whats the chances that Meinke (or whoever first reported) classified this wrong and it isn't the percentage but the number of student-athletes enrolled in each major?

Marvin Face

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:38 p.m.

Not shown on the chart but coming in at #8 on the Ohio State list of majors: Women's Studies

Terry Star21

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:37 p.m.

When you've just been smoked in football, smacked in basketball and are drastically losing the recruiting battle - one goes to extreme measures. And ohio has done that - pretty sad !


Thu, Feb 23, 2012 : 1:49 p.m.

Do those 2010 vacated win put MSU in the Rose Bowl vs. TCU? Both UW and MSU still finish at 7-1 and Spartans won the head to head by 10. Still waiting for another recount in Florida too?

Terry Star21

Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 3:25 a.m.

Maybe Tom is smoked.......


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:40 p.m.

@Tom Just one year? You mean these statistics mean nothing? Total meetings 108 Series record Michigan leads, 58–43–6 The 2010 game was played, but since ineligible players were used was vacated. That means 56% of the games played, UM has won Seems pretty dominate to me OSU can win for 15 years in a row and only get to a 500 record. I would consider that domination


Tue, Feb 21, 2012 : 11:20 p.m.

Smoked in football? Come on. A last minute Braxton Miller pass BARELY escaped the hands of Posey or you're looking at an &quot;L&quot;. As for basketball? The &quot;smoking&quot; was done in Columbus; not AA. Losing the recruiting battle? If the &quot;experts&quot; got it right, Meyer recruited better players in one month than Hoke recruited in one year. The OSU class was ranked higher. Of course, Top 10 recruitng classes mean little...just ask Bret Bielema and Mark Dantonio! Terry, where did you go to school? Just wondering. I'm not thinking that it was at UM. When Hoke broke out the &quot;Ohio&quot;, OSU simply one-upped him with his somewhat lame gamesmanship. One narrow win vs. the weakes OSU team in more than a decade does not &quot;domination&quot; make. Have the fans of an 800 win program ever charged the field after a &quot;W&quot; vs. a 6-7 team before? I don't think so.


Mon, Feb 20, 2012 : 11:31 p.m.

Well, they got us there! We have been zinged!


Wed, Feb 22, 2012 : 4 a.m.

Not can go to Law School if you plan your General Studies degree correctly. I was able to do an MBA and am now earning 6 figures on mine......