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Posted on Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 1:59 p.m.

Rich Rodriguez, hypothetically, would welcome drop-back passer on Michigan football team, Wolverines tryout and more around the Big Ten

By Pete Bigelow

Should he ever want to run an alternate version of the spread offense, Michigan football coach Rich Rodriguez wouldn’t be afraid to recruit a pro-style quarterback.

“If we had a guy who was a great drop-back passer, we can fit our play-calling around the skill set of our quarterback,” he said Tuesday on the Big Ten weekly coaches’ teleconference.

Right now, Rodriguez isn’t in a hurry to tinker with his offense.

In the first two weeks of the season, quarterback Denard Robinson has vaulted from probable starter to Heisman Trophy contender, accounting for 885 yards of offense.

Years from now, once Robinson has left the Michigan campus, Rodriguez anticipates no problems recruiting another dual-threat quarterback. He said spread quarterbacks have proliferated at the high school level in recent years.

“No question,” Rodriguez said. “So many more high schools are getting into the shotgun and spreading people out. Some are throwing out of it, some are doing both. “There’s always a few hidden kids out there that nobody knows about, but now so many more teams are playing it.”

Ohio State takes notice

As the man responsible for turning Terrelle Pryor loose on the Big Ten, Jim Tressel knows a thing or two about quarterbacks who succeed in the spread offense.

So far, the Ohio State coach likes what he sees from Michigan’s Denard Robinson.

“Anytime you have the added dimension of your quarterback being a threat, it puts more pressure on defenses,” Tressel said Tuesday. “That’s going to make it more difficult for the Big Ten defenses, without question.”

Tressel added that he has included Michigan on his USA Today coaches poll ballot the past two weeks. The Wolverines jumped from No. 35 to No. 22 in the coaches poll this week. They are No. 20 in the AP top 25 poll.

Shine a light

Rich Rodriguez said Tuesday he expects permanent night lights to be installed at Michigan Stadium in time for the Big Chill at the Big House hockey game on Dec. 11.

On Thursday, the Michigan athletic department will formally ask the university’s Board of Regents for approval for the lights, which are expected to cost $1.8 million.

The Wolverines have already scheduled their first night game in school history for Sept. 10, 2011 against Notre Dame.

Student prospects unearthed

More than 30 students participated in tryouts for the Michigan football team Monday afternoon. Rodriguez said six or seven will receive an extended look during a two-week trial period.

“A couple really caught our attention,” he said. “They might have a spot on the team.”

Two years ago, Rodriguez found safety Jordan Kovacs in a student tryout. Kovacs wound up starting eight games in 2009, and is currently the senior starting member of the secondary.

Familiar face for Wisconsin

In preparation for Saturday’s upcoming game against Arizona State, Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema had his team watch an awful lot of the Badgers’ 2008 loss to Michigan.

In that game, quarterback Steven Threet rallied the Wolverines to a 27-25 upset of the No. 9 Badgers behind a 20-point fourth-quarter effort.

Wisconsin will host Threet and his new Arizona State team at 3:30 p.m. on Saturday.

“I can’t remember, in my knowledge, being involved in something like this,” Bielema said of facing a prominent player at two different schools.

“He’s a big guy, tough to tackle, and he continues to impress us. … He’s an extremely accurate passer, and has all the throws in his game, short, long, hard, soft, and has good composure.”

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Sean T.

Fri, Sep 17, 2010 : 12:02 a.m.

Portage, I have other priorities because I have a family. Everyone cannot sit back and drink Tequilla all day and pretend to be Dr.Phil. I know you like to pretend to be the "All knowing, grandfather of Lou Holtz" But I don't have a lot of time to be Mark May. I give my assesment on my Wolverines every week and I watch'em play and that's it. Nothing's changed but the time! I don't have enough information on UMASS to make comparisons but I will say they have a big O-line and veteran players in the two-deep so RR better find someone to help Denard. Like any other week, don't overlook this team. Hail


Thu, Sep 16, 2010 : 12:32 p.m.

"[RichRod] had a chance to do that with Threet (who has had outstanding stats so far this year), and failed." Outstanding stats for Threet? Yes. Outstanding competition to garner those stats? Uh, not exactly, lol. Arizona State has faced Portland State and Northern Arizona, both FCS opponents. Not exactly the cream of the crop. I would hope Threet could put up good numbers against them.


Thu, Sep 16, 2010 : 12:48 a.m.

These kids today are giddy and jump to quick. We are seeing now 4 stars and 5 star players that are not cracking the lineup so they bolt. Hate to say it but I don't think some are here for an education either. If you like AA, if you like the tradition of Michigan football, if you want a decent education and you think you can make some noise on the field, then come here if you are recruited by the football staff. Ohio State was sucessful playing 2 qbs with different styles. If for some reason Denard gets wacked or plays horible, I have a lot of faith in Tate. Guys like Tate and Dane Crist are exciting to watch. I still love qbs with monster throwing arms.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 4:39 p.m.

These are some reactions to the post and the direction of Michigan football. Saying that he would recruit a drop back passer sounds disingenuous given the recent history of the program. Give Rich Rod credit for recruiting D Rob as a quarterback. No previous Michigan coach would have done so. Rich Rod believes D Rob can withstand the pounding of Big 10 football, i.e., 20 carries a game. I doubt any of our option quarterbacks could. Pat White at WVA did it against less physical teams. Im glad we have Tate and Devon in reserve. Every Big 10 coach is working on ways to stop a player responsible for 95% of the MI offense. The Michigan offensive line dominated Connecticut and Notre Dame. If they cant do the same to Iowa, Wisconsin, and OSU, the field could look very differently to D Rob. My guess is that the best defensive teams will curtail his effectiveness as they do too many of the outstanding 100 yard plus running backs. Last year I felt that we could win any game and lose any game. This year I feel we should win some games easily (UMass, Indian, Purdue, etc) and be at least competitive in the rest, including OSU. Need more data. Our defense is better than a year ago. They cause turnovers, make big plays, and seem to understand the system better. But they give up too many yards and big game changing plays (e.g., the long pass play at the end of the Notre Dame-Michigan game). If the defense does not get stronger, we will lose some big plays. Im not going to take a position on Rich Rod as a future Michigan coach. I know that he has brought an exciting brand of football to Michigan. Games are more fun to watch then in the past (even back to Bo). I wish him and the team well for the remainder of the season.

Joe Geshel

Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 4:14 p.m.

No one should denigrate Denard Robinson's accomplishments in the first 2 games. It is true that 2 games does not a season make but Robinson was quite phenomenal nonetheless. Nobody else racked up 800 plus yards in their first 2 games as a starter and many other teams play cupcakes to boot. UConn and Nortre Dame are not great teams but certainly not fundraising patsies. Give credit where credit is due. Nice job Denard. Now you know!


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 11:51 a.m.

@ Tony "I think it's funny people in Michigan are already crowning Robinson with the Heisman Trophy" This was taken from a NATIONAL Poll of nearly 10,000 voters, so I don't think that it's people in Michigan doing the crowning. 36%Denard Robinson 14%Terrelle Pryor 14%Ryan Mallett 8%Kellen Moore 12%Marcus Lattimore 16%Trent Richardson


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 11:26 a.m.

This is just about the funniest article I've read here on Seriously? RR said he'd modify the offense to fit a drop back QB? What kid is he recruiting at QB right now? He's got to be shoveling this to impress some recruit. Only a high school kid would have a memory so short as to not remember what happened in that first year. I also love you guys busting on Threet for not fitting the offense. That's what this entire story is about RR modifying his offense to fit a drop back passer. Funny stuff! BTW, I root for Michigan every week and pick them on Pigskin Picks on the alumni site every week, well, I sometimes pick them now. During the dark days, pre RR, I did pick them every week. I had an.800 winning percentage doing that. Just sayin'.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 11:24 a.m.

BorninA2 -- "I want the team to win and I want him to go." See, this is where the pro-Michigan, anti-RR crowd ceases to make sense. They want Michigan to win, yet they want RR gone. If Michigan does well this year and makes a decent to good bowl, RR is not going anywhere. Guaranteed. And I am willing to bet money on it.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 11:17 a.m.

Jameslucas: Regardless of any critiques I have of RR or this offensive strategy, I agree wholeheartedly with you. DR was clearly coached well in the last year and is eons above his performance of last year. The decision making and his passing skills are now (so far) great, and reflect positively on coaches RR, Magee, and Smith. Let's see how he does when the defenses turn faster, larger, and turf gets harder. HOpefully he continues on his upward arc.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 11:03 a.m.

Denard Robinson is a fast quarterback that is great in space. Richs spread system is the perfect system for that kind of quarterback, there is not a better system Robinson could play in to showcase his talent. Also, I dont see a quarterback in college football that would work better than Denard in Rodriguezs spread system. Shoelaces has great natural talent no question about that, but that talent was helped by a year of coaching; we are not watching the same player as last year. For the good of Michigan Football lets hope that this continues to be a happy, long, and productive relationship for both men.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 10:58 a.m.

"People that don't like Rich Rod don't like him simply because he is not THEIR choice of a coach." That's a blanket statement and untrue. I don't care for him as our coach and haven't since his first full day on the job when he fired the entire staff. Then he somehow reasoned that he shouldn't be held to account for the contract he signed at WVU (and later other real estate contracts). Then he chased off (or failed to keep) some very talented players. Then he forced his system on players for whom it didn't work. He blamed them and others for his miserable results. He broke NCAA rules resulting in first-ever program sanctions. He recuits players who are not ethically and/or academically compatible with the university. And on top of all that, his win/loss results are totally unacceptable to me. I didn't know anything about him when he was hired, but from day 1 he's done nothing to impress me and most of his behavior is, to me, that of an unethical, unaccountable person. Even if we'd gone 11-2 last year I would not like this guy as our coach. But we didn't and his list of major accomplishments here is filled only with negatives. I want the team to win and I want him to go.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 9:29 a.m.

People that don't like Rich Rod don't like him simply because he is not THEIR choice of a coach. Remember when Michigan was looking to get Les Miles? Rich Rod was not our number 1 pick. Rich Rod INVENTED the read option spread. No one in the history of football ran that offense before Rich Rod. He is an innovator in the game of football. That alone makes him praise worthy. Then, he took a bad WVU football team and turned them into national championship contendors (11-1) and somehow it was because the players bailed him out? Watch this video and tell me he isn't smart: Do you think he took a stupid pill when he went to Michigan? Give me an honest answer? There is absolutely zero justification for the belief that Rich Rod is a bad coach. Saying he is "bad for Michigan" is equally absurd. There is no such thing as "bad for"... there is only good or bad.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 9:03 a.m.

3 and out, so RR recruits a kid, and coaches him up to be a great player (you must agree the strides taking by DROB between last year and this year are pretty big), but DROB is bailing him out? how does that make sense? i believe you also said the same thing about pat white and RR in a different thread. those comments just lack all common and football sense. and then you go and talk about RR apologists as spin doctors, when thats you do, but from the other side, it works both ways. now this may be fun for you (not sure why) but us real michigan fans will be happy with where our team is, and where are team is going, and like fans of all other teams, we root for our team and hope there is no late season meltdown.

Robbie Webb.

Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 7:27 a.m.

3, you still don't get it, you think you do, but you don't. What about J.T. Floyd? Who is a Rich Rod recruit. Craig Roh who is projected to be an all american? And while guys like Van-Bergan, Martin, Stonnum, etc are Carr's recruits, he still didn't work with them like Rich Rod is doing now, all of those guys, with the exception of Schilling and Ezeh, did not even play very much when Carr was coaching, so there ability to make plays is because of Rich Rod. THe cupboard was not full when it came time to play in 08, and if it was why are there ex Michigan players saying Carr didn't do his job recruiting in his latter years? Explain that to me, that's not me talking, I'm talking about other players. Look, just because you've already been proven wrong two games in doesn't mean you can call me wrong when I have yet to be proven wrong.

3 And Out

Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 2:27 a.m.

btw...look who is bailing RR out at one of the corner spots.....James Rogers, another Lloyd recruit who's talent was jocked around by Rich Rod from position to position until finally the kid gets a shot and is succeeding....more great talent left by Lloyd as part of that FULL STOCKED cupboard that RR did not utilize.


Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 2:20 a.m.

Bottom line is michigan has a huge fan base and not everyone is agree.But if your a fan and hoping for the team to lose....well your not a fan no matter who the coach is.And if anyone doubts DR i suggest go wiki Eric Crouch,thats who dr reminds me of but faster.And he is about the same size DR.

3 And Out

Wed, Sep 15, 2010 : 2:20 a.m. guys make sense....thanks for posting the other side, the real truth and not letting these spin doctors and RR apologists take over. The fact is that Rich Rod has failed miserably in his time here, and is lucky to be getting bailed out by Denard Robinson so far this year. Actually...lets let that be Rich Rod's ONE good thing he has done at Michigan: Recruit D Rob. D Rob could play in any offense...including Jim Harbaugh...who would also create a strong running game around well as tough strong defense. How come all of Rich Rods RB recruits are either injured, have been injured or are totally non productive...slow cant hit the hole...or leave the school entirely? Will Mike Cox be next since he cant see the field behind the kids that cant run in front of him? Defensively the best players are Van Bergen, Martin, Mouton and Obi all Lloyd Carr guys... the rest stink...all of Rich Rod's recruits are playing poorly, including the tremendously overrated Craig Roh who gets pancaked or pushed out of just about every pass rush. As I stated earlier 5-7 this year, possibly 6-6 with that defense and one dimensional offense (D Rob) they are not a good team....PS the kicking game and returners (Stonum another Lloyd guy is pretty good though on kick returns) all stink.... Rich Rod has failed but if he manages to run D Robs legs to a fleabag bowl are you apologists seriously going to call to have him back? of course you will...because you dont know anything about football and probably have never played the you cant analyze simply do not get it.

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:48 p.m.

Lemansblue, why are you mentioning injuries? In case you haven't noticed, injuries was just one of the many things wrong with the roster the past two years, but because it's Rodriguez and he didn't, ''Win with what he had'' you don't give him a free pass, but Carr does? Need I mention Appalacian State? Oh, but wait, they WERE division II champions, weren't they? I guess that makes it okay. Michigan was only ranked #2 that year to kick things off. Haha! If that were Rodriguez, there wouldn't be any of this, ''Appalacian State were national champions in their division''. You would be ALL over him and you know it! Even this year, Woolfolk out kills our secondary. Yes, they have given up some big plays, but they have also made some big plays and will get better and at least be solid with help from experienced linebackers and line.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 11:07 p.m.

Drader, If you want to look at Carr's record look at all of it. In 2006 we went 11-2 and we were undeafeted going into the OSU game. Coach Carr dominated the SEC in bowl games we also dominated the rest of the Big Ten...Penn St, Wisc, MSU. To me 2007 showed what a great coach Carr was...MI got knocked down bad after the first 2 games the team could have quit and tanked the season especially when Henne and Hart went down with injuries...but they fought with a true freshman qb and won games and played with toughness remember Henne playing with a seperated shoulder? They gritted it out and had that hugh bowl win over Fla. A true champion is that you never get knocked down but rather what you do after you get knocked down. Gret job Coach Carr. I do not see that under our current coach we were 4-0 last season then had a bad loss and never recovered.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:38 p.m.

Wv under RR only played top 25 teams 18 times in 7 seasons that is a little over 2 times a season. Weak schedule? WV and RR were the most overrated team in college football...if you do not play anybody you should have a good record. Level of competition is everything. Mi was 4-0 last year without to much trouble then what happened when the competition improved?...1-7 in the Big Ten.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 10:13 p.m.

Drader: You make no sense. You criticize LC for "doing nothing for UM" though he never endured a losing record and finished his career.500 against OSU. He was prickly, but always represented the university without embarrassment, and defended his players without publicly embarrassing them (except for Braylon Edwards). Yet, you give RR a total pass if he beats OSU, even though he has more losses in 2 seasons than LC had in 8 seasons. Not to mention all the baggage. What gives? How long does RR have until he has to meet your definition of acceptable? And what is this with criticizing a Michigan coach? Based on your tone, I would guess you would not be pleased with anybody who would criticize RR as 'anti-Michigan'. You, therefore, are not consistent at all.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 9:13 p.m.

Alot of people hate RR I think we can see that. But what did Carr realy do for michigan the last 7 years? Yea we won 7+ games a year but how did he do when he had to play Ohio State? I say if RR win 8 or more games this year or get's a win over Ohio State he can go 6-6. If RR can win the Ohio State game he Keep's his job. If not he needs 9 wins. Either way Michigan will be fun to watch. I see Michigan going in to the Iowa game 6-0. Also I see Michigan be #12 In the polls that week, or even a top 10 team. Michigan Defence will cause Michigan to lose some games. I see them going 9-3. GO BLUE!

Robbie Webb.

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:57 p.m.

Lemansblue, maybe you forgot that in my opinion, Rich Rod's WV team in 2008 was the best in the nation and if they hadn't lost to Pitt, they wouldh have been playing LSU. They CREAMED OU and put up 40+. So go ahead and keep praising the pro-style offense, we'll watch other offense get more attention and do better.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:55 p.m.

jbizzle, 6-0 may shut up Sparty (because it will mean we beat them), but it certainly won't shut up the Bucks. Why should it? Until we beat them, they don't believe we can. So, 6-0 means nothing to OSU...they'll be 6-0 at the same time and probably on their way to 11-0 heading into the game at the Horseshoe. And, since beating MSU and starting 6-0 only means something if we finish strong, I'm personally going to keep the woofing down considering how Michigan has finsihed over the last two seasons. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just looking at recent history objectively.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:51 p.m.

Why would a pro style qb want to play for RR? He would be no help to them. We look like a WV team when RR was there I did not like his offense then I do not like it now.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:42 p.m.

3 And Out I did not mean to hurt your feelings, it was not my intention to be a bully, I thought we were just having friendly debate, I am sorry.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 8:21 p.m.

tz: RR did not give Threet an offense he could succeed in, and didn't even take him to OSU at the end of the season. That speaks volumes about his support for his QB. Unless Threet was in UM Hospital puking up blood, he should have been with the team on the sideline, to at least see OSU stadium, so that in 2 years, he would not have been green behind the ears. Bottom line: RR claims that he would vary his offense for a 'drop back passer' but did nothing to help his QBs or team that year, except institute the only offense he knows, an offense that they were not able to execute, and left his QBs exposed big time. Not saying that Sheridan and Threet didn't exactly impress that year (nor did DR impress last year), but what if RR had put a few split backfields, or a few tight end formations or a fullback, so that the QBs had more time to throw. Or what if we ran I-formation so the running backs could get some blocking and lanes, and take pressure off the QB. Incidentally, I think the coaching that entire first year was extremely poor, with repeated fumbles, poor O-line footwork, poor O-line technique, and poor play calling, and not teaching McGuffie how to not lead with his head to avoid concussions. The mistakes were never corrected, and we led the nation in 3-and-outs (more than 60). That is pure and simple bad coaching. The players cannot be totally blamed, especially since that list of D-I schools include many bad teams with poor personnel compared to UM who somehow didn't have such gaudy stats. RR should not have gotten rid of all the assistant coaches who knew these players; RR should have actually learned the personnel before he got here, and RR should have put them in a position to utilize their strengths instead of trying to shove them into RR's narrow-minded view of what offense should be (not saying that with the right personnel, his offense doesn't work, just doesn't work without the right personnel).


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:54 p.m.

The only coach that I know didn't recruit more than one QB in a class was when LC wanted Drew Hensen so bad he agreed not recruit another QB in that class in exchange for Drew committing to UM as a junior. If everyone remembers, Hensen showed his true appreciation to LC and UM by packing up after one year as the starter and taking the money. By the way, UM was left with few options at QB the next season. So I would say since RR had been recruiting Pryor to WV, he did the same thing all other coaches do when they decide to take a different coaching job at another school, they try to recruit the players to the new school. RR had very little time to try to improve on the crappy recruiting class that LC had coming in. If you listen to several of the sports stations and commentators they have all agreed that LC did not do a very good job of recruiting during his last couple years and left the cupboard less than stocked.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:42 p.m.

3andout...could your posts be any more hilarius? yes they can... you and lemandblue should book a gig at the comedy club, they could use a couple of stand-up's been mentioned many time's that mallett was gone no matter who the new coach was! and threet diden't fit the new offense...i'am glad that they found team's that they can do well in, it's to bad you can't find a team you can support? hate can really drain you... GO BLUE...


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:42 p.m.

HeartbreakM RR didn't run Threet off. He simply recruited 2 QB's for his team. Threet went through spring practice and could see that Tate was going to do some serious challenging for the starting QB job, he decided to take his ball and go home to Adrian. He had not even seen DR yet since he wasn't even out of HS yet when Threet asked for his release. Let see, he went to GT and left before he even competed for the QB job, he came to MI and was basically our only option RR's first year, then when he has to compete for the position he leaves. He went to a school that did not have any outstanding QB prospect on the team coming into this year. We will see how he does when he plays against some competition. I don't call Arizona State's first 2 opponents "good competitive D1 teams"


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:31 p.m.

Tony So are you saying if ND beats MSU this weekend, that the Spartans are a bad football team? Just want to get your position on this so if it happens, we aren't reading on Sunday, that you think ND has a good team or anything like that


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:28 p.m.

Yes Tater, that would be great, even if he didnt win it, it would be great to see a mich player in the final poll for it again. We are however due for another heisman winner.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:28 p.m.

Chris If Steven Threet was still around, things would be a disaster. He couldn't complete a 10 yd pass with any consistentcy during his stint at QB. I watched some of the Arizona St game last Saturday night, he still has problems when he is under pressure. I'll take the 3 QB's we have in RR offense over the others mentioned


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 7:04 p.m.

heartbreakM yeah, palestinians.... hurr durr from me... was in a hurry...


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 6:51 p.m.

Papabear: I am responding to your post about Threet but I think your comment about "Israel and Pakistanis" says it all. (It's the Palestinians, not the Pakistanis, as Pakistan is a few countries over). Threet plays for a Pac10 Division I team. The competition has not been stellar yet, but Threet has done fine. Yes, 5 TD to 3 INTs is not great ratio, but 2-0 is a good stat, and 800 yards passed is a good stat. I don't know how the interceptions were thrown--did not see any of their games, but just succeeding in those games says that he has been coached well, particularly when compared to his Toledo game (by any measure, a poor DivI team). I love the play of DR this year, though last year his performance was awful, proving that he was coached well this offseason. His passing accuracy is night and day compared to last year. But when push comes to shove, RR was unwilling or unable to coach Threet like that, most likely because he was a Carr leftover and because RR would not alter his offense to fit personnel (as he claims he would do in the above quote).


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 6:28 p.m.

"Yeah, Threet has awesome numbers this season." Yeah i don't know if I'd call 5/3 td to int stat line swesome against those teams.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 6:20 p.m.

Yeah, Threet has awesome numbers this season. Let's see, ASU has played Portland State and Northern Arizona so far. Solid competition. Let's talk after ASU's game at Wisconsin this weekend. Mallett didn't want to be a Wolverine when Lloyd was the coach. What makes you think he wanted to stick around for Rich Rod?


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 6:17 p.m.

Yep. He'd welcome a drop-back passer. Just like he welcomed Mallett and Threet and Sheridan and Boren (and on and on), and just like he welcomed the entire coaching staff his first full day on the job: He welcomed them all to get off the team. Sure Threet and Sheridan struggled: He forced them to play his offense after chasing off the two best receivers on the team: Manningham and Arrington. Had he stayed, Mallett would have had the same problems. The "empty cupboard" excuse doesn't and never has flown with me: To the extent his team lacked talent, it was a problem of his own making, both by running off talented players and forcing those who stayed to play in a system that didn't work for them. We might be 2-0, but RR still doesn't get that the words that come out of his pie hole and the contracts he signs count for something.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:51 p.m.

3, AA tries but doesn't catch them all. And all journals have a bias in this country. Its part of the free market economy. Don't be saddened if you see some posts go away that shouldn't, and vice versa.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:50 p.m.

Whats wrong 3? no more defense left in ya? And back to the Pryor thing, its called recruiting, no coach looks at his starter and says "ok, thats it, i found my guy so i dont have to recruit any more qb's for a few years." That would be just plain dumb.Just wait til we are 6-0, then all you spartans and buckeyes will vanish.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:50 p.m.

Tressel was hired not only to rebuild that program but also to beat Michigan and don't kid yourself 3out, anytime Mich. has anything remotely that resembles any kind of threat to Jim and team they are peeking over their shoulders, maybe they don't doubt they are the best team but don't kid yourself they, ohio state are watching, wouldn't you? I like that RR is looking around at possibilities, I went to many Rose Bowl games and watched Mich. come up short with the old, "3andout". Hey Sean T, I noticed that we didn't hear a lot from you right after that Notre Dame win, what happened did you have to get over your disappointment?

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:42 p.m.

Jbizzle81: Your personal attack on me has been reported to and if they stick to their guidelines, your post will soon be deleted. Stick to the story son.

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:40 p.m.

Lemansblue...according to the WVU cell phone records which they released, Rich Rod called Pryor that Sunday morning to ask him to come to Michigan, even before he had told his own team that he was leaving. Again, his actions speak loudly.

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:38 p.m.

Jameslucas: Your personal attack on me has been reported to and if they stick to their guidelines, your post will soon be deleted. Stick to the story son.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:35 p.m.

Thank God Mallet and Threet are gone by them leaving they opened up two spots on the team, some would rather talk about the past instead of the current Heisman contender Denard Robinson.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:14 p.m.

Threet was pretty bad in a system that didn't even try to work to his skill set. Coach RRod, blessed be his name, tried to make Threet and Sheridan into something they were never going to be. Threet is starting at ASU, not because he is pretty bad, but because he has some fair skills that when utilized correctly, make him a pretty good QB.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:07 p.m.

I gotta say Threet was pretty bad.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 5:04 p.m.

3, You nailed it again. Mallett and Threet come to mind. Do not know if it was true but it was reported that when RR was hired his first phone call was to Pryor. I think that told Mallett everything he needed to know. Harbaugh would be great here he understands defense is part of the team too.

R. Ellish

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 4:35 p.m.

If we only worried as much about these players getting a good education in the skill necessary to be critical thinkers, knowledgable, and good citizen in our future world.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 4:24 p.m.

I don't understand RR's comments about a "drop back passer" and "fitting the offense around him". He had a chance to do that with Threet (who has had outstanding stats so far this year), and failed. He ran Threet off the team, rather than developing him. RR showed that he was more interested in RR's offense than in fitting an offensive strategy with the players that were here for the last 2 years. I think his comments are disingenuous at best. He, incidentally, said the same things when he took the job in Ann Arbor, but actions have shown otherwise. Now, that being said, I do think that the hype on RR's offense has come true this year so far, but it's a long season and let's wait until we judge. I don't blame him for wanting his own players and his own offense, but he does not have to make false statements like that either. I am happy for Threet (and Mallett) with their success, but neither was given a chance to succeed here with RR (though we do not know the circumstances of Mallett's transfer completely).

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 4:13 p.m.

Tressel is halarious with his Michigan hype...he is so far in to playing the strategic game...and Richy Rod isnt even close to catching on... Tressel has his kids prepping for Michigan EVERY day in practice...while Rich admits that every rivalry is big to him... Tressel sucks up to Rich to draw him in and Richy considers Tressel to be a good friend and they have even went on trips together for coaching junkets.... that is why Rich wont get it... we need a guy like Harbaugh in who will spit p--ss and venom at Tressel, agitate the old man like he did with Petey Carroll....and take back the rivalry....dominate him, until a Michigan coach steps up to do that he will just be another or Tressel's pawns to step on like a bug.

3 And Out

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 4:09 p.m.

With people like is best not to listen to what they say...just watch what they do.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:59 p.m.

He had a dropback pro style quarterback and ran him off. I think he is at Arkansas.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:52 p.m.

"jameslucas is right. Tate is a great QB,..." Tate was a ervicable QB at best. under sized, soft, injury prone, and should have nothing to do with Mich football anymore. He beat up on some wimpy teams last year, and next thing you know "let the forcier be with you" shirts were everywhere and everyone fell in love. But he just wasn't very good. Denard is showing you fans way more than could ever been done with Tate, get over it and embrace the present.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:48 p.m.

"Yeah, Michigan and Coach Rodriquez suck! The evidence is that they beat both teams they played so far this year." Right, I guess that made them super sweet last season eh? Last season's ND team was way better than this years, so i give a better performance to last year. Of course Robinson is 10000% better than forcier. It's kind of high school ball but hey, all that matters are the Wins. Much better team this year, albiet 1 player only. Still interested to see how they go up against some other teams. But Mich fans should certainly be happy.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:30 p.m.

Yeah, Michigan and Coach Rodriquez suck! The evidence is that they beat both teams they played so far this year. The first was a team many picked to win the Big East. The second was a team picked to win against the Blue, was on the road at a noisy stadium and was the first road game for many a young player. I'm sure coaching had nothing to do with the wins, either. Here's an idea: Let's support this team and be happy when they win.

Lorain Steelmen

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 3:08 p.m.

jameslucas is right. Tate is a great QB, as will be Gardner. I hope DRob continues to excell, but I also know that before the end of the season, we will need contributions from ALL THREE of our QB's. This a team game, and everyone will play a role. Go Blue! Right now we all need to enjoy the ride, get a grip, and focus on UMass....and only UMass.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2:55 p.m.

lets hope the quarterbacks can carry us to a new years bowl game..(of course,defense,rushing,receiving,etc needed also) tate needs to work his tail off to become #2..would feel good with tate as the back up... don't think we will need much from our back ups this year as i believe d.r. will escape an injury that would sideline him for a few games. lots of people believe he will get hurt... lets hope he doesn't,. what makes me nervous though is our kicking game, hope there is a way to improve that quickly.. i know its only 2 games, but this could turn out to be an awesome season...would love to keep all the doomers & state fans off here..


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2:39 p.m.

I think it's funny people in Michigan are already crowning Robinson with the Heisman Trophy. Maybe you should let the guy play somebody with a real defence first. Notre Dame or should I say Notre Dont isn't a real test, they lost 6 games last season and still have the same lousy players the did last year.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2:37 p.m.

Chris, Threet sucked and knew with drob and tate coming in that he was never gonna start. He transferred to be a starter. Mallet transferred for a big list of reasons. Homesick, the team didn't like him (he ran his mouth and pissed off his teammates), and he lacked work ethic. When RROD came in he bolted, despite RROD ASKING him to stay. I'm not happy with RROD's performance either, but don't make up lies or half truths to sell him out.

Bob Needham

Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2:15 p.m.

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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2 p.m.

If he really meant what he was saying, maybe Ryan Mallett or Steven Threet would still be around.


Tue, Sep 14, 2010 : 2 p.m.

Shoelaces had the single best performance I have seen in my 44 years as a Michigan fan, I dont want to take anything away from that. Hypothetically, God forbid if Shoelaces never takes another snap this year, Michigan would still go 8-4 with Tate under center. Lets remember Tate had a pretty good start as a freshmen quarterback last year. Tate had a concussion in week three, and hurt his shoulder playing Indiana in week four, we all know things went bad for him after he hurt his shoulder, but even with him being freshmen and with a hurt shoulder he still did pretty well. So everyone take a deep breathe and enjoy what is going to be a great Michigan football season watching Shoelaces break records and take awards. I understand some football fans are only happy when they are miserable with worry, we call them Michigan State football fans.