rockettrg

Fri, Jan 14, 2011 : 10:05 p.m.

barnz378 Football players having a degree from Michigan is not different than having a degree from O State. Where have you been the past two years? The only Big 10 school whose football players might be better educated than the rest of the Big 10 is Northwestern. The remaining schools have similar academic rigor for their football players. If a player had the time and desire to be a serious student he could get a great education from any of the Big 10 schools. Reality dictates that the players must focus on football first and then do the best they can with academics.

2bluebyu

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 8:30 p.m.

The kids heart and head just wasn't into it..........He'll do good at a MAC school or similar. I just don't think he was big enough physically to take a full season in the B10. Best of Luck Tater!!! and GO BLUE!!!

2bluebyu

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 8:30 p.m.

The kids heart and head just wasn't into it..........He'll do good at a MAC school or similar. I just don't think he was big enough physically to take a full season in the B10. Best of Luck Tater!!! and GO BLUE!!!

golfer

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 6:56 p.m.

if he want to come back and can get his stuff inorder let him. msu has done it. that team from ohio just did it. so why not give him a scond chance. everyone should get at least a second chance.

golfer

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 6:56 p.m.

if he want to come back and can get his stuff inorder let him. msu has done it. that team from ohio just did it. so why not give him a scond chance. everyone should get at least a second chance.

wvtroll

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 4:06 p.m.

Dusty, One player does not make a team. DR may have broke plenty of records, but so did RR. Unfortunately, all of RR's records were of the bad sort. RR's record speaks for itself, and that includes utilizing what talent he had. Can you name one record or stat that RR broke that was a positive for UM? Tate, when he got to play, could bring back UM from a losing situation. DR was the one who put UM in that situation. DR has fantastic running ability. When his receivers could catch the ball, he was a pretty good passer. Tate, on the other hand, was not a running QB, and depended mostly on his arm to move the ball. I'm not sure what all goes into those ratings, but I do know that plenty of teams with QBs that have high ratings lose games. That's the defining fact of how good a TEAM is.

wvtroll

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 4:06 p.m.

Dusty, One player does not make a team. DR may have broke plenty of records, but so did RR. Unfortunately, all of RR's records were of the bad sort. RR's record speaks for itself, and that includes utilizing what talent he had. Can you name one record or stat that RR broke that was a positive for UM? Tate, when he got to play, could bring back UM from a losing situation. DR was the one who put UM in that situation. DR has fantastic running ability. When his receivers could catch the ball, he was a pretty good passer. Tate, on the other hand, was not a running QB, and depended mostly on his arm to move the ball. I'm not sure what all goes into those ratings, but I do know that plenty of teams with QBs that have high ratings lose games. That's the defining fact of how good a TEAM is.

Dusty

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 11:35 a.m.

Denard Robinson's career QB rating (including last year, which was horrible for him), is 141.49. Tate Forcier's career QB rating (including last year, which was "so good"), is 129.19. Where do people get that Tate is a better QB again?

Dusty

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 11:29 a.m.

wvtroll: RR failed to utilize players? Denard broke Michigan, Big Ten, and NCAA records this year. Talk about arrogance? How arrogant are you to think you know how to utilize talent better than one of the greatest offensive minds in the modern college football era?

Dusty

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 11:27 a.m.

Blueman Rick: how is dropping him on the depth chart "humiliating him"? That's how EVERY coach on EVERY team deals with players who don't put the work in. How else do you deal with a kid who refuses to keep his grades up and put in the effort in the off-season? You think there should be no consequences? Don't be ridiculous.

wvtroll

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 11:25 a.m.

As an outsider, I tend to agree with WolverineWhisperer. RR, with all of his arrogance, failed to utilize two talented players in a way that would have best benefited UM. In the end, two, and maybe 3 players if you counted your redshirted QB, were hurt. I wasn't dazzled by DR being a QB, but he sure could run. TF showed me more as a QB than DR. Perhaps RR's decision to crap on him led to TF's decision to just give up. Why bother if all he got was scraps and humiliation? Granted, an free education is a terrible thing to waste. But I'm sure other schools noticed his ability, and in a year from now, he may be another "gosh, I wish we'd kept him" type player. In the end, a degree from UM is probably no better than a degree from any other school when your goal is to play in the NFL.

Blueman Rick

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 10:56 a.m.

Have to agree w/ Blue-n-tpa. On the surface, RR's management of Forcier appears suspect. Tate's a bit of a punk. Cocky, yet talented. Apparently, RR was trying to motivate Forcier by humiliating him; a coaching/personnel strategy that seldom, if ever, works. I hope he gets it together and continues to play and go to school. He has a heck of a lot of pluck.

WolverineWhisperer

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 10:49 a.m.

I guess I'm in the same minority as GoBlue13, maybe even a smalleer one. I thought Tate was a better quarterback than Robinson. He seemed better in the clutch, was more accurate in passing, and seemed to rally the team better. If he had been at QB with DR as a flanker back or receiver, the offense might not have stalled into ineffectiveness in 6 out the last 8 games of the year. Right now I think he is the best QB the team has and it would be a shame to give up on him. There's got to be more to this story about his ineligibility -- how many QBs has michigan ever lost to ineligibility in the middle of their sophomore year? I've been a fanatic fan for 40 years and I can't remember this happening before.

Matt Irelan

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 10:36 a.m.

I hope Forcier transfers to Toledo. He would be a great fit in their offense, which has recently sent a QB to the NFL

chili55

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 10:09 a.m.

CLX, I think you have it backwards, it appears to me that Tate did the abandoning. If he had gone to class and kept his attitude right, he'd get the respect he wants. Right now, he's getting the respect he deserves.

Blu-n-Tpa

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 9:26 a.m.

Although the choice was Tate's, doing your work, studing, and moving forward toward his degree there is/was a problem with how he was utilized. If I were to write a book on coaching football I would have a chapter on how the worst coach in Michagan football history (WCiMFH) played mind-games with Tate Forcier. He embarrassed him on national TV which was uncalled for on many levels. There was no upside to putting DG in for so few plays early in the season when TF was dressed, experienced, and ready to go. That move was pure spite and it might cost a year of eligibility for Gardner. So that's two QB losing time at Michigan for nothing. TF made obviously bad decisions in his time management and studing habits given the amount of support available to him at Michigan. The fact that he might be gone is unfortunate but as is always the case in college football, and life, his leaving opens the door for someone to step up one rung in the depth chart. DG is NOW one hit away from PT. Be ready! Go Blue! (Does anyone know what DG's redshirt status is or is that something else the WCiMFH left undone?)

Sean T.

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 1:21 a.m.

I'm disappointed he didn't leave after spring practice, his timing is really bad. (wasting a season) Now he has a coach whom could shape his career for the better. I wish you well Tate!

XTR

Thu, Jan 13, 2011 : 12:08 a.m.

This time it is all on Tate. He slacked in class and in practices just because he was the starter last year.

JimB

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 11:57 p.m.

In a recent interview, Tate stated that he thought about leaving Michigan but realized that the education was too good to pass up and that the degree would open doors for him. Curious to know the full story.

aareader

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 11:33 p.m.

Tate probably needs to have a discussion with someone. For all we know he may have had a few last semester and chose to not study and become ineligible. Sometimes the hardest lessons are the ones where you do fail and note the reduction in choices that are no longer available. Hopefully Tate, like many of us, will figure it out in time and make needed corrections.

BobR

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 10:29 p.m.

I hope he does well. But he needs to focus; university undergrad work isn't that tough. The program and the coaches can push you but ultimately it's your responsibility.

Tom Joad

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 10:28 p.m.

The curse of Rodriguez claimed another. Forcier held such promise. Even when Michigan was losing badly under Robinson, Rodriguez just had Tate milling about on the sidelines. He deserved more time...Just glad the Rodriguez blight is gone. Gonna take some doing to pay off his old contract..what does he owe? A couple of million...LOL

John B.

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 10:25 p.m.

To be blunt: good riddance. 100% self-inflicted.

GoBlue13

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 10:20 p.m.

I guess I'm in the miniority, I liked Tate. I truly think he could of excelled in this system. Denard got hurt alot!! Tate would come in and get the job done. He was a great safety valve. Hoke could of really helped this kid. I know about the off-season so save it. AS ALWAYS, GO BLUE!!

CLX

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 9:51 p.m.

A classy program wouldn't abandon this kid, do I hope Michigan is getting him some resources to figure out what he needs. These are STUDENT athletes, and it's time to focus a bit more on that student part and win some games. Other schools can pull off both - why not Michigan. Maybe it is all his fault and Michigan did all it could, but I doubt it.

ShadowManager

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 9:51 p.m.

Don't let the door hit ya where the dear lord split ya, son.

maizenbluedoc

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 9:25 p.m.

Maybe we should hold judgement on the yuoung man. We haven't heard Tate's version of the story. Unless we do, we just have to assume he violated certain rules at the university. I wish him well as I don't hold any animosity toward him.

Basic Bob

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:40 p.m.

Tate should stay in shape and go to class. If he needs to take a year off from football, it's no big deal. He's young. No telling what could be in his future if he doesn't throw in the towel.

tim

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:39 p.m.

I never thought Tate would stay four years- his brothers didn't- and with Denard starting I thought it was just a matter of time. Too bad, he has such talent.

David Briegel

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:34 p.m.

Yeah, MORE! Tate, get your act together. You are going nowhere in your life! Unless you get a degree. GET A DEGREE! Somewhere! You could have had a lot of fun and maybe even been a campus hero. Couldn't you at least go to class? Have you no class??

Jay Allen

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:19 p.m.

There is way more to this. Just to toss this out and make tate look like a dork is wrong. Seriously, FAR more to this.

Joe

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:10 p.m.

Sorry to hear this, but to me it is self-inflicted and I don't have sympothy for self-inflicted problems. I do hope he gets his life back together and is a success wherever he ends up.

DonAZ

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:09 p.m.

What a fool. I don't know a lot about Brady Hoke, but what I do get from reading things is that Forcier could fit well within a hybrid speed/pro offense Hoke is likely to implement this year. And Robinson would be a fool to leave Michigan as well... because there's no way he'll be a QB in the NFL. But I remind Robinson of two words: Devon and Hester.

doctrsnoop

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 8:07 p.m.

But as a sophomore he failed several classes, which at the level of class that is typically taken during the season, would take some active effort to do. And the program doesn't need that.

mjwinkie

Wed, Jan 12, 2011 : 7:51 p.m.

As a freshman he BEAT Notre Dame!