Graffiti case: 'Mole' tagger ordered to 6 months' probation and to pay $13,591 in restitution
A SAES and Mole tag from William Street looking south down the Ann Arbor Railroad tracks.
Ryan J. Stanton | AnnArbor.com
A 16-year-old Pioneer High School student was ordered in court Tuesday to spend six months on probation and pay $13,591 in restitution for spray-painting his moniker 'Mole' throughout Ann Arbor.
The restitution in 10 of the 11 counts the teen admitted responsibility to last month will be shared with the 15-year-old Ann Arbor boy accused of being behind the SAES tags.
The 16-year-old, who appeared in court with his mother, also admitted responsibility to two additional counts of property destruction before Washtenaw County Juvenile Court Referee Julia Owdziej Tuesday. The two additional counts alleged the teen used a marker to scrawl "Mole" on a University of Michigan container in the 1500 block of South State Street and a U-M building in the 900 block of South University Avenue.
The incidents occurred between November 2012 and April 2013, Owdziej said.
The teen admitted responsibility -- the equivalent of a guilty plea -- to a count of malicious destruction of property causing between $1,000 to $20,000 in damage and a count of malicious destruction of a building causing between $200 and $1,000.
Owdziej offered the boy deferred sentencing on the two new counts, as well.
Both cases were disposed after the plea. The boy will be on probation until at least Dec. 19, when a hearing was scheduled in juvenile court. If he complies with all the requirements of probation, the cases will be expunged from his record because of deferred sentencing.
Owdziej also ordered the boy to pay $13,591 in restitution for the 11 counts. The restitution in the two additional counts will be determined within 60 days. The teen will share $13,338 of the restitution with the SAES tagger.
The boy's mother said her family will do their best to make timely payments.
"We're going to do everything we can to get it done," she said.
If codefendant SAES pays half of the restitution, then the other teen will only have to pay half. If either teen fails to meet their financial obligations, the other teen will be on the hook for it.
The teen received glowing reports from the probation department in court Tuesday. A representative from the department said the 16-year-old had been "exceptional" under court supervision.
The teen also was ordered to perform 40 hours of community service and write separate letters of apology to each victim in the cases.
The 15-year-old Ann Arbor boy already charged with 16 counts of property destruction for allegedly spray painting his moniker SAES throughout the city was recently released from the youth home and will appear in court later this month.
John Counts covers cops and courts for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at johncounts@annarbor.com or you can follow him on Twitter.
Comments
Skyjockey43
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 9:42 p.m.
Six months probation and a pitiful sum for restitution. That will teach him!! (note industrial strength sarcasm here)
nickcarraweigh
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 8:48 p.m.
Let's hope this whole case doesn't give the boys on B Block something to laugh about 20 years from now when they play "How Did You Get Here?"
Ricardo Queso
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 8:29 p.m.
Calm down folks. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole thrill.
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 6:19 p.m.
There seems to be a lot of questions about the restitution in this case and the case involving the boy accused of spray-painting SAES. There is no easy way to convey it. This is just the way the courts order it. I will try to clarify, though. The boy in this case was ordered yesterday to pay a total of $13,591 in restitution on 11 counts he pleaded guilty to. On 10 of those counts, he was ordered to pay the restitution jointly with SAES because they are co-defendants, meaning they basically tagged the same place around the same time listed in the counts. In the 11th count, 'Mole' will solely be responsible for $253 in restitution because SAES was not involved in that particular instance of property destruction. 'Mole' admitted responsibility, or pleaded guilty, to two additional counts yesterday. There will likely be restitution amounts associated with those two counts, too. Whether or not the amount is shared with SAES remains to be seen on those two counts. SAES still does not have his case resolved. If he is found responsible or admits responsibility and is ordered to pay restitution, he will likely pay more because he faces 20 counts of property damage. He will likely be ordered to jointly pay the $13,338 associated with the 10 counts 'Mole' was ordered to pay with him. However, SAES faces 10 additional counts beyond that and there will probably be restitution to pay in those. But that has not happened yet. If and when it does, we will report it. I apologize for the confusion. I hope this helps clear it up a little.
fanny
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 5:47 p.m.
I think this article is very confusing in terms of how much the restitution is. Is it $13,591 or $13,338?
Stephen Lange Ranzini
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 10:58 a.m.
The graffiti vandalism problem, while not a public safety issue, is vexing for us. The building our family lives in has been hit repeatedly at great expense. The chemicals used to remove the graffiti vandalism are highly toxic and dangerous to use. Our city was a lot more beautiful before the vandals defaced so many objects and buildings. While businesses are required by city code to remove graffiti quickly, the police don't enforce the code and the single worst offender is the city itself, which rarely removes graffiti from city signs and other city infrastructure. I asked the mayor a few days ago during the Q&A period after his state of the city speech at the Chamber of Commerce luncheon what more could or should be done about the graffiti vandalism problem especially with respect to city owned property? To paraphrase his answer, he responded by saying that the police are doing a wonderful job and have caught 6-8 of the vandals [who are the others?] and he is hoping that the $25-30k fine they get hit with (and possibly a felony conviction) serves as an effective deterent to the others. He did not address the part of my question about cleaning up the city property that has been defaced or offer any other proposed solutions, which was disappointing. NYC's anti-graffiti strategy is excellent, successful and a model other cities like ours could emulate. What's your new plan Mr. Mayor, because that one failed miserably with the courts being so lenient?!! Again, I suggest the NYC anti-graffiti plan. The basics of their 12 page plan are: 1) Quick removal of all graffiti vandalism. 2) The police must have dedicated resources focused on the problem tracking down offenders. 3) The police create a catalogue of all graffiti by the tag used to assist in identifying the offender and later to ensure every infraction is charged against the offenders. See: http://tinyurl.com/NYC-anti-graffiti-program
The Picker
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 11:53 a.m.
And then what! Another slap on the wrist ! And then we talk and talk and talk !
Stephen Lange Ranzini
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 10:36 a.m.
Slap on the wrist. Very disappointing!
marla
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 4:05 a.m.
I no longer live in Ann Arbor, but did for 27 years. During the last 10 years I was living there I noticed an incredible amount of graffiti on buildings, signs, etc. It seemed like no one was doing anything to deter or stop this destructive lack of respect act. Finally something is being done. Keep the sentences stiff and make them pay in multiple ways. Don't rationalize "why" they felt compelled to do this. Quite honestly, I believe that they never learned or grasped the concept that destroying or defaming someone's property or the public's property is illegal and wrong. It seems like a lack of respect had never been taught or ingrained in them. Although it could have been a totally defiant act. Never the less, if you do the crime you need to pay the piper...and I'm elated they have been caught! Keep up the good work Ann Arbor because surely there will be others who try the same thing again.
Kate
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 3:13 a.m.
It used to be that if a youth had priors or had committed a violent offense, the offense would go on the record if the youth were found responsible. If the youth was pleading to several offenses at the same time, even with no priors, everything could not be wiped clean. An exception was made for a sequence of events over a few minutes or hours; this was treated as one event. But here, this kid is running around town for 5-6 months making our city UGLY. The Court seems way out of line with its own precedent. Also, for the most minor offenses, 20 hours of community service is pretty standard. Again, for all this chaos, 40 seems way too low. If they don't cough up the money, it should go on the record, and there should be time in detention.
Mike
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 1:40 a.m.
Good luck collecting that. My family was ordered to receive restitution from some punks for medical bills sustained in a beating/attack and we never received a dime. When I asked what they could do to enforce it I was told by probation "not much" since they didn't have any money. Never served a day in jail either.......it's a joke if they don't want to pay.
The Picker
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 12:14 a.m.
Again I repeat, Set up the Stockade at the Farmers Market ,where these guys will spend the next year's worth of Saturdays. Place multi-colored paint pots and swabs for the citizens to express THIER feelings about the situation. Second Offense: The Parents join them!
JRW
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:50 p.m.
Community service? writing a couple letters? 6 months probation? Yet, they are NOT responsible for cleaning up any of their destruction! $13,000 in fines for 2 of them? What happened to Mr Mayor's statement that graffiti vandals are getting $25,000 fines. Where are those fines and who got them?
Anne Kowalczyk
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:50 p.m.
First, not only should this boy write an apology to this community but should be held accountable to all the places the court seems to unaware that he put his graffiti. Second, 40 hours is not enough... and this teen needs to take a bucket, soap and clean or paint and brush the mess he made. Where is his accountability... some things, money cannot completely fix.
Cornelius Nestor
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:35 p.m.
If the city were to supply walls for graffiti "artists" many current difficulties could be solved: adolescents could be encouraged to make the city look like a slum, which should please those with a taste for juvenile self-expression, and the city could even use its public art budget for the enterprise thereby removing any chance to use the monies for, say, road maintenance, snow removal or conventional government services.
Jaime Magiera
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 12:59 p.m.
Yeah, I'm sure the money spent on providing a few blank walls around town would really cut into the budget.... like... hundreds of dollars. Also, you're right, art should be pictures of whimsical flowery fields, boxed in by a wooden frame and installed on a gallery wall. Why would we want to have art in public spaces? It would just encourage people to think outside of their planned consumption in downtown Ann Arbor.
Jaime Magiera
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:36 p.m.
Instead of trying to fight the endless battle against graffiti artists, it would be better to direct our attention to providing places of expression for such things. I'd like to see the city provide more public spaces that can be tagged and graffitied. The alley next to Michigan Theater is a great spot. We need more places like that. Ideally, places that lend themselves to more visibility. This town is stuck in that 1800s puritanical New England red brick aesthetic...zzzzzzzzzzz. Here's a video I shot in Caracas a few years back about a program the government put in place to beautify the cities and provide an outlet for creative expression along those lines. http://www.nativeamericanmodern.net/archives/332/WSF2006_MisionCultura.mov
Usual Suspect
Sun, Jun 23, 2013 : 1:18 a.m.
This post exemplifies the mistaken belie that these kids are somehow involving themselves in artistic expression. They don't care one bit about art. They are vandals. Their desire is to cause damage and destroy things. if you provide a wall for art, these guys will come along and destroy it. They are not artists.
Ypsi Russell
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 5:59 p.m.
Shouldn't the Michigan Theater be accountable for the degenerate condition of their alley? Liberty Street has become Skid Row.
M-Wolverine
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 4:46 p.m.
Not hard to argue that he Michigan Theater alley, a home to bums and panhandlers who use it as their public bathroom, and a potential crime area in the evenings isn't "a valuable asset to our community." And a large part of its status is the fact that it's been made to look like it's run down by all the "art" there.
Kate
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 3:18 a.m.
This is not Caracas.
Jaime Magiera
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:55 a.m.
Mike, I can tell you. It's a combination of bravado, the desire to create and the desire to communicate. It's not an illness of any kind. It's an energy that flows out of people, which can be directed towards something that benefits us all.
Jaime Magiera
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:49 a.m.
aanative, I spend time in both. Thanks. Overall, I sense that people here don't understand that young kids who like to tag are often potential artists of one kind or another. It's part of a larger culture. Should he pay for the damage? Sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that this city could use more color and expressive art. Instead of constantly punishing people for this juvenile crime with just community service and restitution, try to direct that energy to something positive. One would be hard pressed to argue that the alley next to Mich Theater is not a valuable asset to our community and outlet for creative energy. We just need more spaces like that. Sentence the kid to clean up what he tagged and make him have to white-wash one of the public graffiti walls and put something on it. If he's got talent and interest, he'll do something interesting that helps the city. If he's a slacker who is not inspired, it will be punishment. Multiple problems solved either way.
TryingToBeObjective
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:11 a.m.
Here's an "outlet" for ya: mom and dads house. The parents should have been aware of what was going on. So they can keep an eye on these kids and have their so called "art" on the inside of their house. Unless you are offering yours, Jaime. When they're not decorating mom and dads, they can clean up all the CRAP they've decorated AA with. We don't find it artistic.
Mike
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 1:43 a.m.
Maybe they should be forced to enroll in an art class at taxpayer expense, then be given free counseling to determine why they do this..................
aanative
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 11:15 p.m.
Jaime, if Caracas is so wonderful perhaps you'll go back and let the rest of us live with [what no one else on the planet would call] "1800s puritanical New England red brick aesthetic".
kris
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:07 p.m.
saes and mole are hardly examples of artistic expression and their tags most definitely do not "beautify the city."
Jaime Magiera
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:40 p.m.
Since the AnnArbor.com website can't seem to handle full URLs, here is a tiny url. http://tinyurl.com/n6qrzq2
Jaime Magiera
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:39 p.m.
Also, I'd love to see AnnArbor.com showcase some of the more exceptional graffiti in our town. There is some really good work here.
Nicholas Urfe
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:14 p.m.
40 hours of community service is nothing. They should spend the next couple summers scrubbing toilets, outhouses and cisterns, and doing other work at the local sewage plant.
Nicholas Urfe
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 12:44 a.m.
"They should be cleaning off all of the graffiti in the city no matter how long it takes." Again, that sounds like a pretty sweet summer job. Standing around in the sun, admiring your work. Posing for pictures. And painting over the tags in such a way that they are still visible. That is way too easy. If they had to do that task in the peak of a cold winter, okay. But not a mild winter. Sometimes a2 gets mild winters, and a mild winter would be insufficient. It would need to be a bitterly cold winter.
JRW
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:53 p.m.
Totally agree. 40 hrs of community service at some place like a food bank stocking shelves. Yeah, that really gets at the problem. NO. They should be cleaning off all of the graffiti in the city no matter how long it takes.
Elaine F. Owsley
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:38 p.m.
I understand sorting trash for recyclables in one of those commercial places is really icky work. Also low paying so they would be at it for months and months.
Dog Guy
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:02 p.m.
A $13,591 fine will take not only all his birthday, Christmas, and graduation money, but also anything Mole gets on October 23.
Ricardo Queso
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:12 p.m.
Well played Dog Guy!
a2citizen
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:58 p.m.
So please explain. in Ypsi they are "vandals". In a2 they are "taggers". "Vandals in Ypsilanti Township spray-painted numerous cars..."
a2citizen
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 11:24 p.m.
I guess the correct headline should be: "Taggers spray-painted numerous cars and vandals broke out windows..." I'm not a puritan so vulgarity doesn't bother me.
ThinkingOne
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:27 p.m.
So please explain how you don't see a difference? You know they aren't even close to the same thing, and you keep leaving out the 'vulgar word' part and the vandalism part of the story. Here is the headline to the story, for those who don't know what a2 is talking about: "Vulgar words spray-painted on cars and windows broken in rash of vandalism"
a2citizen
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:31 p.m.
Please look at the accompanying photo. Do you really consider that art?
Jaime Magiera
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 8:25 p.m.
See my comment on the other article. Yes, there is a difference. Note that a car is not the same thing as a building or a container.
AnneArbour
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:44 p.m.
It does not appear to me that the punishment fits the crime; I think the kids are getting off far too easily. It's doubtful to me that they are the ones who are going to actually provide the financial restitution. Also, 40 hours of community service is far below what he should be charged with. What I would like to know, and I think this is a fair question considering what I've read about taggers elsewhere, is what drives these kids to do it? Are there underlying factors in their psyche that should be addressed? Just wondering.
Irwin Daniels
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:34 p.m.
Who pays if neither one pays? "If codefendant SAES pays half of the restitution, then the other teen will only have to pay half. If either teen fails to meet their financial obligations, the other teen will be on the hook for it. " Also that really means that the total fine per child is really only $ 6,669 Getting off rather cheep
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 5:14 p.m.
They only share restitution on certain counts. Out of the 11 counts 'Mole' was ordered to pay restitution on, 10 counts were "jointly" with the co-defendant. There was a $253 restitution he was solely responsible for. The boy charged with tagging SAES faces, at last count, 20 counts. He will likely have to pay restitution on those 10 additional counts and be solely responsible for it. That amount is unknown at this time. They only share restitution on counts where they, for instance, tagged the same wall in roughly the same time frame.
M-Wolverine
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 4:42 p.m.
John, how can it be joint and there still be additional restitution for SAES? Will that be joint to, or separate?
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:43 p.m.
Meant to say *higher* restitution amount. Whether it's *high* is up for interpretation ....
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:30 p.m.
The SAES case is still making its way through court. He faces more counts and will likely have a high restitution amount.
David Cahill
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:29 p.m.
Restitution is governed by the principle of "joint and several liability". Each of the two juveniles is responsible for the entire amount if the other pays nothing. This principle protects the victims. How could one person pay nothing? Well, often one person will disappear, or there is no money. The juvenile court is yet another court where the overwhelming majority of respondents (and their families) are poor. Here it seems that both families have money, which is good news for the victims.
TryingToBeObjective
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:05 a.m.
That too, JRW. Clean it all, AND pay restitution.
JRW
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:54 p.m.
They are both able bodied enough to CLEAN off all the graffiti!
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:11 p.m.
I'm thinking that both kids were both able bodied enough to tag all over AA and some in Ypsi. So they are able bodied and old enough to get a job! Mom and Dad can contribute, seeing that they allowed the kids to go out numerous times at all hours and either were not aware of or did not care what they were doing.
Rich
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:29 p.m.
The kid should be made to clean up all "Mole" tags all over the city, from now until he is 21. Make him do 60 hrs community service on top of that, and call it a day. See if wants to tag "mole" on anything anymore. If he gets busted again, then hand him a 20k fine.
RUKiddingMe
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:20 p.m.
Okay, so this is not the $25,000 the mayor said would be the fine. Was sort of light-heartedly exaggerating to make a point? Didn't seem like it; if I recall correctly, someone said the mayor used this number twice when referring to dealing with the graffiti problem.
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:29 p.m.
This is just the restitution for the 'Mole' tagger. The boy accused of being SAES is charged with more counts and could have a higher restitution amount when his case gets to this point. This is not a final number.
The Picker
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 11:58 p.m.
Do you still give any credibility to any politician anymore? Really!
JRW
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:55 p.m.
Exactly. The mayor likes to spew out statements that make him look good, with little connection to reality.
Dirty Mouth
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:19 p.m.
Hmm, the courts are soft. That is a good to know.
Billy
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:06 p.m.
"If codefendant SAES pays half of the restitution, then the other teen will only have to pay half. If either teen fails to meet their financial obligations, the other teen will be on the hook for it." Can someone explain the logic of this to me? Chicken or egg?
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:27 p.m.
They share restitution in many of the counts because the incidents were committed at the same time and place, i.e. they tagged the same wall so they both have to pay for it. As Kate pointed out, the restitution is "joint and several," to ensure the whole amount is paid back. So if one co-defendant doesn't pay, the other defendant will. They will violate their probation if they don't pay and could face a stiffer penalty.
Kate
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 3:05 a.m.
With joint and several liability, the victims need to be made whole, regardless of who pays. In this case, the victims are the residents of the city. It reminds me of co-signors on credit card accounts. If one files for bankruptcy and gets a discharge, the other(s) are still on the hook.
JoeNuke
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:54 a.m.
"The boy will be on probation until at least Dec. 19, when a hearing was scheduled in juvenile court. If he complies with all the requirements of probation, the cases will be expunged from his record because of deferred sentencing. " Probably a big problem at probation hearing if restitution is not being paid.
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:06 p.m.
Perhaps it is tied to the fact they are friends. Does anyone know if they were caught together when tagging?
Hugh Giariola
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:56 p.m.
Yes, there are no consequences reported for what would happen to a) the teen who didn't pay their fair share or b) if neither teen pays.
Letti
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 7:36 p.m.
So if neither of them pays up then what happens? No one pays at all? College econ isn't in my near past but this seems like some stupid twist on a prisoner's dilemma.
jklep12
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:26 p.m.
I had to reread that a few times just to make sure I understood. And I still don't get it.
Hmm
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6 p.m.
So is it because of their ages they're names are not being released?
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:21 p.m.
We do not release the names of juveniles unless they are charged as adults.
Barb
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6:23 p.m.
Yes.
kmgeb2000
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 6 p.m.
A whole 40-hours! Let see minimum wage $7.40 x 40 = $296 vs. $13, 591. Seems like it could have been more like 1800-hours, then he might have grasped the gravity of his errors and helped the community.
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:59 p.m.
Perhaps his community service can include cleaning the other "Mole" incidents around town that he wasn't charged with.
Usual Suspect
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:56 p.m.
I don't suppose the judge happened to suggest that these kids also not have they work showcased in AnnArbor.com articles anymore?
JRW
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:56 p.m.
Or showcased in the AADL graffiti contest.
Usual Suspect
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:55 p.m.
$6.7K each is WAY too low.
UpperDecker
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:51 p.m.
So considering all of the tags have been documented for the court case is there any other reason that none of it is getting cleaned up yet?
Nicholas Urfe
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:35 p.m.
Wrist slaps. I read on this site that wall repainting can cost over a thousand bucks. It seems the damage estimates are too low.
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:20 p.m.
halflight is correct. In simpler terms, the victims tell the court how much it cost them. The court adds it up.
halflight
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 3:18 a.m.
From someone who has worked in the Juvenile Court-- restitution is based on victim impact statements received from complaining witnesses. The Court will usually accept the amount claimed by the victim unless the defendants object, in which case the court will set a separate hearing in which the prosecution proves the amount of restitution. Since restitution in this case was set at the disposition hearing, it sounds like the defendant didn't object to the claimed amount. In some cases, victims fail to return the victim impact statements, and the court can't impose restitution to those victims. So the victims who asked for restitution are probably getting what they requested.
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 9:04 p.m.
Does anyone know why this was the amount ordered?
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:57 p.m.
@Nicholas, is it because he was only charged with 11 counts? I'm not sure what that includes. Is each charge one "Mole" ?
EyeHeartA2
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:17 p.m.
"The boy's mother said her family will do their best to make timely payments." Well then I guess we are all set. Did the mother say she would make sure the kid didn't do it again?....like he did after he was arrested (or whatever they call it) the first time - you know, right before he went out and did it again.
jns131
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 7:49 p.m.
And the other family is appealing their conviction. Interesting. One takes the blame and the other denies it. I am wondering Pioneer is where my child should be currently.
John Counts
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:18 p.m.
It was SAES who was released from youth home.
TryingToBeObjective
Wed, Jun 19, 2013 : 2:03 a.m.
Right, so that was SAES, NOT the mole.
ThinkingOne
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 10:10 p.m.
Last paragraph in the story: "The 15-year-old Ann Arbor boy already charged with 16 counts of property destruction for allegedly spray painting his moniker SAES throughout the city was recently released from the youth home and will appear in court later this month."
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:55 p.m.
I thought it was SAES who went out and did it again, not the "Mole?"
Ricebrnr
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:05 p.m.
"Owdziej also ordered the boy to pay $13,591" Remind me what his honor said we'd get again???
TryingToBeObjective
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 : 5:03 p.m.
While its great that the mother supports her kid, and plans to make timely payments, I really hope that the boy does the work to make the payments. Good for him for admitting responsibility, and toeing the line under court supervision.