nicole

Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 1:37 a.m.

Hey, Ann Arbor News, where is the description of the attackers? You describe the victims more than the attackers. We wouldn't want to offend anyone by giving an accurate and detailed description of the gang of men, now would we? I think the public has a right to know exactly who is coming into our community and committing such acts of violence. This isn't the Ann Arbor I grew up in. Oh, no wait, maybe it is, I remember the 60's.

Sigg

Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 1:22 a.m.

Hey Red... Im glad the only thing you took from my post was my spelling error.... I didn't call EVERYONE completely ignorant. I said if you find this story "SUSPICIOUS" you are ignorant.... and thats directed to the 93 people that voted for Tex Treeder's post. I know the two guys this happened to and Ive witnessed CHALDEANS gang up on people before. I know that their not the only ones that do that but they are definitely known for it. I can gurantee you if it was a group of WHITE people doing this to any other race at least half of them would be in jail right now... thats what is suspicious to me..... 12 guys attacking a car while stuck inside a parking structure while also stuck in line and NO ONE can help out who these guys are?.... Like I said maybe it will happen to you or someone you care about and then you can worry about it. Instead of scanning my post for grammatical errors you should open your mind to what I am writting and learn that this is a problem and we need to stop it.

James

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 11:11 p.m.

Who determined that the offenders were Nestorians? Shut the Dream Club down. I don't much care who populates it, it's bad news.

Cassie Guyman

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 11:01 p.m.

It's really sad to watch this town install a $750,000 chunk of metal (aka "art) and still have to cut cops from the force. Maybe we should be more concerned about our citizens safety and not what some out-of-towners think about the artsy image of the city.

Red Floyd

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 4:08 p.m.

Hey Sigg...before you start calling everyone "completely ignorant," you should learn to spell "Chaldean."

James

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 1:30 a.m.

Yeah, when I first suggested the thugs were from the ''The Dream" I got axed from this site as well.PhfrtTTTTTTT! yeah, like they came raging from the Old Town... 'Bout time townies said "enough".

JimmyP

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 12:09 a.m.

Jeeesh. baggy pants with out belts! don't the police and the mayor's office in responsible towns typically make public statements, relaease videos, assure citizenry, release SIGNIFICANT and VITAL non-pc identifying characteristics of the bad guys/gals, vehicles, etc., make impassioned requests for help, open tip lines and DO SOME DANG THING. exactly how does the diff betw above ground and below ground structures matter? They were by the exit FYI. taking cheap shots at the mayor's artistic proclivities and preferences over retaining police resources helps the matter in what way? Votes talk, cheap shots walk. Oh, this is an election year AND the mayor faces significant and relevant opposition? Oh, riiiight! OK, let the cheap shots reign down. Prayers for the victims and the predators. May they get what they deserve. Good health and peace to the assaulted, and appropriate penal panalties to and financial payback from the predators. Underage? "Mom, dad, please rise and hear your sentanencing" No excuses, no lily-livered responses, just justice then maybe we can talk about reformation of their lives. One last thing Three words: Concealed weapons permit.

drew_blows

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:40 p.m.

It seems my politically correct comment about the Friday night crowd at Dream got my post deleted. So let me just say this, everyone should contact the DDA and tell them that you demand that the DDA requires and/or allows Republic Parking to fully staff each parking lot/structure around the bar areas in Ann Arbor when the bars let out at 2am. Moving the cars as quickly as possible can only help to curtail some of these problems. This would include the structure on Forest and S University, structure on Main and Williams, structure on Maynard and Thompson, and the lot on 1st and Huron.

Sigg

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.

FIRST- Any of you who think these guys are wrong for getting out of their car, you can get out of this country. A lot of Americans have lost their sense of PRIDE. You don't have to let a car infront of you, you're waiting in line, they wait in line. (would this have been prevented if they let them in?) maybe, or at least pro longed it until they started stuff with the next car.. but these guys have PRIDE and are not going to let themselves get punked. If more people were like these guys the world would be a better place....and the "gang" that did this, isn't a "gang" that you're imagining. This was a group of Khalidians (their religous term) not a gang but a group of friends that have NO respect for people in general. I've played against Khalidians in sports.. basketball and football (rec leagues) and if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with all of them and honestly 90% of them have problems and 100% of them have their friends back..... If you dont believe me, put yourself in a position where they are at... go to 29&Park in Novi or go up to High Velocity or Total Sports in Wixom and watch some of the sporting events. Now I dont have a problem with the their race, it just really bothers me to see them gang up on people...12 against 2, even without the weapons they dont stand a chance. The only way for this stuff to end is.....(Non Violently) get some cameras/police/security guards to be on site at all times but that will never happen so the next solution..help these guys out.... Im not saying take the beating with them but unite and let people know this stuff can't happen.. let them know they are not alone,call the cops... Im not saying whites stick up for whites or blacks stick up for blacks, im saying as Americans stick up for eachother and whats right. its not acceptable that NO ONE could tell the cops who these guys were or what their license plate # was. but hey maybe next time it'll happen to you and then you... NO REASON

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:52 p.m.

Just heard on the scanner that a man punched a woman in the face at Ann and Ashley. This is getting out of hand folks. Broad daylight.

leaguebus

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:16 p.m.

The operative word here is cameras. If we don't have enough Police presence, then spend the money on cameras. There is no reason, after something like this happens, that the people involved shouldn't be identified and prosecuted. If these people were looking at cameras they might not have been so ready to attack the two guys. But, cameras are the solution.

Sigg

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:06 p.m.

and to clear up the "scene"... The two men this happend to are educated adults, they were leaving the bar at 2:00am not 3:00... and yes it is possible to have $11,000 worth of damages to your car when your car is worth $30,000.. Those of you who think this is a "Suspicious" story are completly ignorant. The only thing suspicious about this is how none of the 12 attackers were caught.... Keep up the good work AAPD and the citizens that watched this happen. People want to feel safe but arent willing to do anything about it except go to the township and vote for more police.... Yes that would help but citizens can help out just as much as cops. Stand up people and start doing whats right

Sallyxyz

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.

Where is the photo of Willie Peavy? He was arrested and a photo needs to be posted. It is not enough to report crimes without photos of perps. This is sloppy journalism.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:01 p.m.

According to a previous article we have Judge Morris to thank for the Dream Nightclub being reopened in June after a previous shooting incident shut it down. I'm continuing to lose faith in her rulings. It is obviously attracting the kind of people that Ann Arbor doesn't need.

HKA2

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:46 p.m.

This is so scary, but unfortunately, believable. I once made the mistake of parking in a garage downtown on a Saturday night (the one on Maynard). My boyfriend and I got stuck in a huge line of cars exiting the garage after the bars closed. We were sober, but clearly some other drivers were not. On top of that, there were groups of drunk men who were yelling at people and jumping on the hoods of cars. I was honestly scared, but there was nowhere we could go. Because we locked our car doors and ignored the "gangs" roaming the garage, we were ok, but I'm sure it wouldn't have taken much for them to start a fight.

Tru2Blu76

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:18 p.m.

This is not the 1st incident involving multiple assailants in that parking structure & in others. I think that's worth focusing on - why are there now gangs here looking to inflict great bodily harm on people? In this case, it appears there may have been a plan to provoke an attack: from the account, those "extra guys" seemed to pop up suspiciously fast. Compliments to ricebrnr (again) for his thoughtful points about situations like this. I'll only add one thing - related to the above - when there are multiple assailants, it's unlikely you can escape them so, for that reason, I often carry a spare full magazine for my Glock. Particularly when I'm near that parking structure. I've learned these past few years to be alert to & wary of any and all groups of young men when I'm walking anywhere in town. I always carry my cell phone as a "first line of defense" but such assaults often develop quickly and prevent its use "in time." I actually dread: having to make the 911 call after I've defended myself. But this new threat requires that kind of thinking ahead. I carry my gun because carrying a whole cop isn't practical.

aes

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:54 p.m.

Are the city officials still "comfortable" with the crime situation in Ann Arbor?

MjC

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:52 p.m.

Maybe City Council hasn't walked around Ann Arbor recently, but when I'm out walking around the drug dealers are so apparently obvious. I've never seen anything like it before. They don't seem to care... is that because our police force has been cut down so much? I do not like what is happening in Ann Arbor.

Hmm

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:45 p.m.

"I only came here to do two things, kick some (insert word for butt) and drink some beer. Looks like we're almost outta beer." I posted that movie quote because IN MY OPINION that was all that these people were setting out to do that night, drink and start trouble.

Red Floyd

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:09 p.m.

I also found the story to be quite peculiar. Does someplace close at 3am around there? Otherwise, 3:10am is a very unusual time for there to be a line of cars waiting to exit that structure.

Polyjuce123

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:13 p.m.

Having lived on the west side of town for years, I can say that this year has been a dive for A2 and the surrounding community in terms of safety. There are some things I no longer feel safe doing, walking home from town is one of them regardless of the time of day or night. I have recently noticed a shift of the homeless and usual downtown rift raft further west, except they are not asking for money...they are watching, scoping people out. Acts of violence can happen to anyone at any time, I recommend caution to all who choose to venture into town at night, especially alone.

Ricebrnr

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:42 p.m.

regardless of time of day no, not to me, mine or my friends. Lessons to take away: 1) Do not exit your vehicle, ain't nothing out there worth any injuries and that's what insurance is for. 2) Someone with the best cell camera should be catching it all on video 3) Someone else should be calling the cops and staying on the line with them 4) Too late but they did the right thing by escaping in the vehicle 5) Anyone breaching the car, regrets that decision. Period 6) Multi-ton cars beat 115-230 gr bullets.

pbehjatnia

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:40 p.m.

I am very comfortable.

craigjjs

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:23 p.m.

Is there any article about AA that does not engender the pathetic comments about public art? It is far past clever or funny, just boring.

clownfish

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:54 p.m.

Does AG Shuette have anything to say about the alcohol dispensaries in the vicinity of these fights?

sun runner

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:45 p.m.

It's bad enough that we deal with road rage incidents, now we have to watch out for garage rage? (I guess that would be ga-rage...)

aawolve

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:43 p.m.

I would like to see art funded to commemorate this increasingly typical event.

walker101

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:35 p.m.

I like how they identify the assailants, I guess we know what to expect if you see 12 men coming with belts and a tire iron. Why don't they describe the attackers? I guess being politically correct is more important than informing the public about who could possibly be the aggressors. Even a description of the vehicle could have helped, sounds more like a bad dream than an actual occurrence.

Simon Green

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:12 p.m.

This wouldn't happen if the parking garage had more art.

ryan

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:59 a.m.

I happen to know the two men involved in this Incident. They were not at either these "night clubs", nor have they ever stepped foot in them. Both College educated with good jobs. They were coming from Rush Street. From what I hear, they should have sucked it up and just let the car cut them in line. Not knowing what they were getting into, they messed with the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. To the above comment about the car probably being worth $600....the car WAS worth well over $11,000 to say the least. For someone who enjoys the Ann Arbor night life, this is getting really scary. Something needs to be done.

Jon Saalberg

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:50 a.m.

@amlive: A call to 911 certainly would have been the right action - getting out of one's car and confronting a dozen armed young men? I think not.

Diane

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:58 a.m.

OMG Stay OUT of AA @ night. What is this world coming to?????

Alan Goldsmith

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:49 a.m.

And thanks to the City Attorney, the Mayor and everyone else involved in letting the bar next to the structure reopen a few months ago after scores of dangerous legal violations. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster but City Officials moved forward with that bad decision as well.

Alan Goldsmith

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:47 a.m.

"The assault wasn't the only incident in the garage early Sunday. Ninety minutes earlier, police arrested 21-year-old Willie Peavy of Dayton, Ohio, who they said struck a woman in the back with a belt in the garage. Police used pepper spray on Peavy after he allegedly refused to drop the belt. He was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon." This is the price we must pay for electing a Mayor who is 'comfortable' with cuts to our police force. It's no doubt, only the beginning of more to come.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:33 a.m.

Hmmm... did he have a paper bag with $58,000 in it? Tire Iron? That's so 1930. Nobody alive has ever seen a tire iron... they are an endangered species.

JudithS

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:09 a.m.

No matter what they call it, whichever "club" is operating out of this address seems to be a big problem. Would like to get some investors together and reopen a nice restaurant a la "Maudes" and make sure it closes by 11:00. The "riff raff" can go elsewhere.

Joe_Citizen

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 3:41 a.m.

This is getting way, way out of hand. I say, the city should pass a 11pm curfew on alcoholic drinks. This will send the rift raft somewhere else. these violent acts are scaring people from going downtown. They can raise the parking rate as much as they want as far as I care. I never have these problems in Detroit. The blues clubs there are hopping and no violent acts. A2 has violence, rape, aggressive panhandlers, and a whole lot of kids, who are trying to compete over sexual mates, and trying to prove who is who with each other. Most of the old haunts are gone, and A2 has become so commercial I can't stand it. I at least expect this kind of behavior in Detroit, but I never had any problems there. A2 is just a playground for the G-culture anymore.

JS

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:26 a.m.

Whuups, got myself censored. To rephrase, Personally I find meaningless, predatory violence like this to be absolutely disgusting. I think that most likely this kind of situation is a direct result of a lack of education and overall intelligence, combined with the ultra-masculine, violent macho attitude that is so prevalent in our society. Either start training for MMA or you're gonna be outta luck. I guess Burger King is always hiring though. Or prison.

quetzalcoatl

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:51 a.m.

I know it's hard to believe anything could be worse than menacing panhandlers and deviant wildfowl assassins, but this is just ucky. Too bad Steven Seagal wasn't on hand with a Humvee full of karate throwing knives.

huh7891

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:08 a.m.

Welcome to the new wild, wild west.(Midwest)

Scylding

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:59 a.m.

I've come to expect this sort of thing at the Wisconsin State Fair, or in Oakland, where the Mayor would call this "mostly peaceful," but here in glass-bubble-covered, enlightened Ann Arbor? Boy, if these out-of-towners keep coming here to disturb our utopia, we're going to have to put a curfew into effect or something.

steve h

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:55 a.m.

great, now the city council will spends thousands on consultants to determine whether or not to ban belts within the city limits.

Ron Granger

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:40 a.m.

The AAPD needs to buckle down and bring these belt and tire-iron wielding miscreants to justice.

CanDam

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:39 a.m.

As someone who lives near this structure, and parks there regularly, I'm quite concerned about the growing rate of violence around here. Police are CONSTANTLY next door to the structure outside Studio 4 or Dream Nightclub (different name, same violence) but not at the right times, it seems like. I always felt comforted walking out of the structure and seeing a police car, but I guess it's a false sense of security. It doesn't say anything in the article, but I'm sure a few of the people involved were coming from Studio 4. That place needs to go.

Tesla

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 11:56 p.m.

Seems like a lot happens on Sunday night in downtown A2.

Dog Guy

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 11:21 p.m.

The most important thing is whether the mayor is comfortable with such assaults.

Tex Treeder

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:58 p.m.

His car had more than $11,000 in damage? A line of cars waiting to exit at 3 am? A dozen men suddenly appeared to assault the driver and his cousin? This is a very bizarre story. More here than meets the eye.

thorj97

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:55 p.m.

This seems to be a reoccurring theme in AA: we can afford to keep our current parking garages safe, but we have $50 million to build a new underground parking garage. Why?

David Paris

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:53 p.m.

I've been in Republics garages trying to get out when the line backed up five or six stories, then paid for the extra half-hour it took me to exit the structure, and can tell you, it's VERY frustrating. Republic Parking deserves a portion of the blame on this, they are in no way innocent. With their lock on structure parking in this town, they have no compassion for their customers tremendous inconveniences. I don't think that it is much of a stretch to accuse Republic Parking of Inciting Violence because of their stubbornness, lack of customer service when traffic backs up in their structure. Any decent manager would evacuate the structure asap, even if it requires taking a profit hit, but when a business has a monopoly they don't think of the customer first. They will lose in the end, I'm sure.

Marilyn Wilkie

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:43 p.m.

Are belts the new weapon of choice for thugs? Commenters here have brought up some good points re:why did everyone ignore this, and the fact that Ann Arbor is not the safe place that it used to be. I thought the bars closed at 2:00am.

A2Susie

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:25 p.m.

I had no idea there could be a line of cars stopped waiting to pay their exit fees downtown at 3:00 AM on a Sunday morning. That structure is near the restaurants and shops on Main St; it seems an odd place for this kind of thing to happen. Is there a bar near there that lets out at this hour?

adare44

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:18 p.m.

Can the city of Ann Arbor not afford to put video surveillance in it's parking structures?????? This is horrible, and only ONE person was arrested? Ann Arbor is falling apart...

LaMusica

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:03 p.m.

Wow, this is super disturbing! Are there cameras in any of these structures? I thought I remembered something about cameras being added after the sexual assaults that occurred this summer, but I could be wrong...either way, I hope they find these thugs!

Loves2Cook

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:46 p.m.

Why in the world would anyone get out of their car in a situation like this? Ann Arbor is certainly not the safe town it once was.

lynel

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:41 p.m.

Yeah, let's build more parking structures! I've got an idea, let's build one underground. I would feel really safe there at night.

amlive

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.

This happened in a long line of cars, and no one from any other cars stepped up to help or called 911? Sick. I certainly hope that ever single one of these assailants is caught and incarcerated. I bet people just can't wait to start parking in the great underground DDA money pit when it's done. I'm sure that will be a whole lot safer compared to the rapes and assaults happening in all the above ground structures, right?

treetowncartel

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:36 p.m.

The brightest and best!

bunnyabbot

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:33 p.m.

imagine how safe the underground structure will be!

RJA

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:13 p.m.

Have never been in this parking structure, and now I know I will never go into it. I might be wrong, and not saying that it is, but wonder if this is a gang type of incident. Congrats to Ann Arbor Police for the arrest of the man from Dayton, Ohio.