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Posted on Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 4:45 p.m.

Crowd beats men with belts, tire iron in Ann Arbor parking garage

By Lee Higgins

Ann Arbor police said today that two men were assaulted early Sunday by a group of men in the Fourth and William parking structure roughly 90 minutes after a man was arrested in the same structure for allegedly hitting a woman with a belt.

Police continue to investigate the 3:10 a.m. assault on the men, ages 24 and 25. The 25-year-old man said he suffered a fractured wrist and torn rotator cuff after being hit with a tire iron.

The 24-year-old man, whom Ann is not identifying because he fears retaliation, said that he was in his car, along with his girlfriend and 25-year-old cousin, waiting in a line of cars to exit the garage. After he declined to let a car pull in front of him, a couple of men got out of the car and whistled for their friends, he said.

The 24-year-old man and his cousin then got out of their car and were confronted by at least a dozen men, some of whom had belts in their hands, he said. At least one had a tire iron. The 24-year-old said the men hit him and his cousin repeatedly with the belts. His cousin was hit with the tire iron, suffering a fractured wrist and torn rotator cuff. At one point, one of the men in the group threatened to get a gun, he said.

The 24-year-old said things then settled down and he got back into his car. As he continued to wait in a line of cars to leave the garage, the men surrounded his car, hitting it with belts and punching and kicking it, he said.

The 24-year-old man was in such fear that he drove as quickly as possible around other cars in order to get out of the garage, striking a car, he said. He called police once he drove away from the garage. His car had more than $11,000 in damage.

Ann Arbor police spokeswoman Lt. Renee Bush said investigators didn't learn until Monday that one of the men suffered a fractured wrist.

The assault wasn't the only incident in the garage early Sunday. Ninety minutes earlier, police arrested 21-year-old Willie Peavy of Dayton, Ohio, who they said struck a woman in the back with a belt in the garage. Police used pepper spray on Peavy after he allegedly refused to drop the belt. He was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.

Anyone with information can call the police department's tip line at (734) 794-6939.



Tue, Nov 8, 2011 : 4:50 a.m.

In reality, what this town needs is a Spider-man, or a Bat-man. To come swooping down from our tall rooftops, and beat the living crap out of these alley crawlers. The city is too full of politics, as anyone could expect. The DDA is just concerned about money, and the company is just doing what they were hired to do (bring in money). If a company stops collecting revenue for their client, they have a lot of explaining to do. All people want anymore is money, because it's taking over. But guess what, Bat-man and Spider-man dont get paid!!!


Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 1:37 a.m.

Hey, Ann Arbor News, where is the description of the attackers? You describe the victims more than the attackers. We wouldn't want to offend anyone by giving an accurate and detailed description of the gang of men, now would we? I think the public has a right to know exactly who is coming into our community and committing such acts of violence. This isn't the Ann Arbor I grew up in. Oh, no wait, maybe it is, I remember the 60's.


Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 1:22 a.m.

Hey Red... Im glad the only thing you took from my post was my spelling error.... I didn't call EVERYONE completely ignorant. I said if you find this story "SUSPICIOUS" you are ignorant.... and thats directed to the 93 people that voted for Tex Treeder's post. I know the two guys this happened to and Ive witnessed CHALDEANS gang up on people before. I know that their not the only ones that do that but they are definitely known for it. I can gurantee you if it was a group of WHITE people doing this to any other race at least half of them would be in jail right now... thats what is suspicious to me..... 12 guys attacking a car while stuck inside a parking structure while also stuck in line and NO ONE can help out who these guys are?.... Like I said maybe it will happen to you or someone you care about and then you can worry about it. Instead of scanning my post for grammatical errors you should open your mind to what I am writting and learn that this is a problem and we need to stop it.


Mon, Nov 7, 2011 : 4:47 a.m.

Us? You're the only one who seems to be laughing.... No votes sir but just to let you know, Im even funnier in person ..we should meet at the nearest parking structure

Red Floyd

Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 4:41 p.m.

You're funny, Sigg! Thanks for keeping us laughing! :)


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 11:11 p.m.

Who determined that the offenders were Nestorians? Shut the Dream Club down. I don't much care who populates it, it's bad news.

Cassie Guyman

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 11:01 p.m.

It's really sad to watch this town install a $750,000 chunk of metal (aka "art) and still have to cut cops from the force. Maybe we should be more concerned about our citizens safety and not what some out-of-towners think about the artsy image of the city.


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 11:16 p.m.

Can you come up with a $750,000 plan to keep Ypsi-Types outta A2?

Red Floyd

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 4:08 p.m.

Hey Sigg...before you start calling everyone "completely ignorant," you should learn to spell "Chaldean."


Sun, Nov 6, 2011 : 12:39 a.m.

Hey Red... Im glad the only thing you took from my post was my spelling error.... I didn't call EVERYONE completely ignorant. I said if you find this story "SUSPICIOUS" you are ignorant.... and thats directed to the 93 people that voted for Tex Treeder's post. I know the two guys this happened to and Ive witnessed CHALDEANS gang up on people before. I know that their not the only ones that do that but they are definitely known for it. I can gurantee you if it was a group of WHITE people doing this to any other race at least half of them would be in jail right now... thats what is suspicious to me..... 12 guys attacking a car while stuck inside a parking structure while also stuck in line and NO ONE can help out who these guys are?.... Like I said maybe it will happen to you or someone you care about and then you can worry about it. Instead of scanning my post for grammatical errors you should open your mind to what I am writting and learn that this is a problem and we need to stop it.


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 1:30 a.m.

Yeah, when I first suggested the thugs were from the ''The Dream" I got axed from this site as well.PhfrtTTTTTTT! yeah, like they came raging from the Old Town... 'Bout time townies said "enough".


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 12:09 a.m.

Jeeesh. baggy pants with out belts! don't the police and the mayor's office in responsible towns typically make public statements, relaease videos, assure citizenry, release SIGNIFICANT and VITAL non-pc identifying characteristics of the bad guys/gals, vehicles, etc., make impassioned requests for help, open tip lines and DO SOME DANG THING. exactly how does the diff betw above ground and below ground structures matter? They were by the exit FYI. taking cheap shots at the mayor's artistic proclivities and preferences over retaining police resources helps the matter in what way? Votes talk, cheap shots walk. Oh, this is an election year AND the mayor faces significant and relevant opposition? Oh, riiiight! OK, let the cheap shots reign down. Prayers for the victims and the predators. May they get what they deserve. Good health and peace to the assaulted, and appropriate penal panalties to and financial payback from the predators. Underage? "Mom, dad, please rise and hear your sentanencing" No excuses, no lily-livered responses, just justice then maybe we can talk about reformation of their lives. One last thing Three words: Concealed weapons permit.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:40 p.m.

It seems my politically correct comment about the Friday night crowd at Dream got my post deleted. So let me just say this, everyone should contact the DDA and tell them that you demand that the DDA requires and/or allows Republic Parking to fully staff each parking lot/structure around the bar areas in Ann Arbor when the bars let out at 2am. Moving the cars as quickly as possible can only help to curtail some of these problems. This would include the structure on Forest and S University, structure on Main and Williams, structure on Maynard and Thompson, and the lot on 1st and Huron.


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 3:20 p.m.

If you really want to curtail this, put some police outside the lot and stop each driver and arrest them for DUI. That's what really caused this!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.

FIRST- Any of you who think these guys are wrong for getting out of their car, you can get out of this country. A lot of Americans have lost their sense of PRIDE. You don't have to let a car infront of you, you're waiting in line, they wait in line. (would this have been prevented if they let them in?) maybe, or at least pro longed it until they started stuff with the next car.. but these guys have PRIDE and are not going to let themselves get punked. If more people were like these guys the world would be a better place....and the "gang" that did this, isn't a "gang" that you're imagining. This was a group of Khalidians (their religous term) not a gang but a group of friends that have NO respect for people in general. I've played against Khalidians in sports.. basketball and football (rec leagues) and if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with all of them and honestly 90% of them have problems and 100% of them have their friends back..... If you dont believe me, put yourself in a position where they are at... go to 29&Park in Novi or go up to High Velocity or Total Sports in Wixom and watch some of the sporting events. Now I dont have a problem with the their race, it just really bothers me to see them gang up on people...12 against 2, even without the weapons they dont stand a chance. The only way for this stuff to end is.....(Non Violently) get some cameras/police/security guards to be on site at all times but that will never happen so the next these guys out.... Im not saying take the beating with them but unite and let people know this stuff can't happen.. let them know they are not alone,call the cops... Im not saying whites stick up for whites or blacks stick up for blacks, im saying as Americans stick up for eachother and whats right. its not acceptable that NO ONE could tell the cops who these guys were or what their license plate # was. but hey maybe next time it'll happen to you and then you... NO REASON


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:04 p.m.

If the Ann Arbor news cares about the people of Ann Arbor, they should let them be aware of who the attackers were. PLEASE DO NOT FLAG THIS COMMENT. People need to know.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 9:09 p.m.

can worry about it***..... NO REASON THIS SHOULD BE FALLGED...AGAIN


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:59 p.m.


Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:52 p.m.

Just heard on the scanner that a man punched a woman in the face at Ann and Ashley. This is getting out of hand folks. Broad daylight.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:16 p.m.

The operative word here is cameras. If we don't have enough Police presence, then spend the money on cameras. There is no reason, after something like this happens, that the people involved shouldn't be identified and prosecuted. If these people were looking at cameras they might not have been so ready to attack the two guys. But, cameras are the solution.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:08 p.m.

So if you happen to get stuck in your car in a parking garage late at light when a group of ruffians comes knocking, you tell me what you'd rather have... A cop or a couple of cameras? Who's gonna save you then?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:06 p.m.

and to clear up the "scene"... The two men this happend to are educated adults, they were leaving the bar at 2:00am not 3:00... and yes it is possible to have $11,000 worth of damages to your car when your car is worth $30,000.. Those of you who think this is a "Suspicious" story are completly ignorant. The only thing suspicious about this is how none of the 12 attackers were caught.... Keep up the good work AAPD and the citizens that watched this happen. People want to feel safe but arent willing to do anything about it except go to the township and vote for more police.... Yes that would help but citizens can help out just as much as cops. Stand up people and start doing whats right


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.

Where is the photo of Willie Peavy? He was arrested and a photo needs to be posted. It is not enough to report crimes without photos of perps. This is sloppy journalism.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:24 p.m.

There is a photo with that article that is referenced in this one. Big guy.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:01 p.m.

According to a previous article we have Judge Morris to thank for the Dream Nightclub being reopened in June after a previous shooting incident shut it down. I'm continuing to lose faith in her rulings. It is obviously attracting the kind of people that Ann Arbor doesn't need.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:37 p.m.

Thank you. I politely made a similar comment earlier today and they axed it. Not sure why. Agree wholeheartedly.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.

Vote out Melinda Morris. I'm tired of her slap on the wrist consequences for violent crimes.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:46 p.m.

This is so scary, but unfortunately, believable. I once made the mistake of parking in a garage downtown on a Saturday night (the one on Maynard). My boyfriend and I got stuck in a huge line of cars exiting the garage after the bars closed. We were sober, but clearly some other drivers were not. On top of that, there were groups of drunk men who were yelling at people and jumping on the hoods of cars. I was honestly scared, but there was nowhere we could go. Because we locked our car doors and ignored the "gangs" roaming the garage, we were ok, but I'm sure it wouldn't have taken much for them to start a fight.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 6:23 p.m.

Did you call 911? I hope you did if possible. This kind of thing will continue unless someone reports it every single time. These people need to find out that it is not alright to do these things.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:18 p.m.

This is not the 1st incident involving multiple assailants in that parking structure & in others. I think that's worth focusing on - why are there now gangs here looking to inflict great bodily harm on people? In this case, it appears there may have been a plan to provoke an attack: from the account, those "extra guys" seemed to pop up suspiciously fast. Compliments to ricebrnr (again) for his thoughtful points about situations like this. I'll only add one thing - related to the above - when there are multiple assailants, it's unlikely you can escape them so, for that reason, I often carry a spare full magazine for my Glock. Particularly when I'm near that parking structure. I've learned these past few years to be alert to & wary of any and all groups of young men when I'm walking anywhere in town. I always carry my cell phone as a "first line of defense" but such assaults often develop quickly and prevent its use "in time." I actually dread: having to make the 911 call after I've defended myself. But this new threat requires that kind of thinking ahead. I carry my gun because carrying a whole cop isn't practical.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:27 p.m.

Thanks. Always appreciate of an informative response as opposed to reaction (same to ricebrnr). I tried to post earlier that I thought in this particular instance, the problem was a particular club, with a specific clientele, and they axed my post. This is known, for crying out loud. Still don't know why said club is allowed to operate. My larger point is that I don't want to have to carry a weapon downtown, as much as I respect the rights of others to do so (responsibly). Whilst the report does not state from whence the assailants came, it's a pretty good bet they didn't come charging out of the The Old Town or Ashley's to thug on the good people of Ann Arbor. That club needs to be shut down post haste. Odd forum. My polite insight was removed, yet SIGGS is still posted. More inflammatory than mine by a mile. Peace.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 6:19 p.m.

I understand your concern, James. It's difficult to convey to those less experienced how deeply ingrained is the training and mind set in people who have spent years (decades in my case) as licensed gun carriers. "Be aware of what's down range of your target," is one of the first rules one learns. The concrete walls and empty cars in a parking structure actually help reduce the chance of bullet hitting innocent bystanders. One of the real dangers is the acoustic trauma caused by very loud gunshots in such a place. Odd but true. In any case, tactically, it's usually not a good idea to "brandish" a gun because that indicates the brandisher isn't in fear of his life & is just trying to bluff their way through. Shouting "stop" and putting up your hand is the "test" to determine if an attacker is really serious. I've done this a few times in such situations: it works. If the aggressor doesn't stop, then it's time to bring the weapon to bear and start firing. And it's almost never necessary to shoot at more than one aggressor, the others will stop and run if you drop one of them. If both victims had brought their weapons out in the story: it might have resulted in more than one assailant being felled but it's still better than "spraying" gunshots hoping to hit someone. But: they weren't armed so they put themselves in great danger and were helpless. If the assailants also have guns - then there's a whole different tactic to talk about. The extra ammo I carry is there - just because no one can predict what may happen.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:57 p.m.

James, respectfully I disagree. <a href="" rel='nofollow'></a> This is why all CPL holders need to practice. Gun control means knowing when to fire, when not too, knowing your target AND what is behind as well as proper ammo selection and hitting your target.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:42 p.m.

Well in such a case brandishing the weapon might be enough to deter them, but if you opened fire in a crowed parking structure chances are you'd do more time than the perpetrators. Your points are well taken, however.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:54 p.m.

Are the city officials still &quot;comfortable&quot; with the crime situation in Ann Arbor?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:52 p.m.

Maybe City Council hasn't walked around Ann Arbor recently, but when I'm out walking around the drug dealers are so apparently obvious. I've never seen anything like it before. They don't seem to care... is that because our police force has been cut down so much? I do not like what is happening in Ann Arbor.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:21 p.m.

Don't vote for the Democrats


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:45 p.m.

&quot;I only came here to do two things, kick some (insert word for butt) and drink some beer. Looks like we're almost outta beer.&quot; I posted that movie quote because IN MY OPINION that was all that these people were setting out to do that night, drink and start trouble.

Red Floyd

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:09 p.m.

I also found the story to be quite peculiar. Does someplace close at 3am around there? Otherwise, 3:10am is a very unusual time for there to be a line of cars waiting to exit that structure.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:13 p.m.

Having lived on the west side of town for years, I can say that this year has been a dive for A2 and the surrounding community in terms of safety. There are some things I no longer feel safe doing, walking home from town is one of them regardless of the time of day or night. I have recently noticed a shift of the homeless and usual downtown rift raft further west, except they are not asking for money...they are watching, scoping people out. Acts of violence can happen to anyone at any time, I recommend caution to all who choose to venture into town at night, especially alone.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:42 p.m.

regardless of time of day no, not to me, mine or my friends. Lessons to take away: 1) Do not exit your vehicle, ain't nothing out there worth any injuries and that's what insurance is for. 2) Someone with the best cell camera should be catching it all on video 3) Someone else should be calling the cops and staying on the line with them 4) Too late but they did the right thing by escaping in the vehicle 5) Anyone breaching the car, regrets that decision. Period 6) Multi-ton cars beat 115-230 gr bullets.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:40 p.m.

I am very comfortable.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:18 p.m.

Loose Shoes?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:23 p.m.

Is there any article about AA that does not engender the pathetic comments about public art? It is far past clever or funny, just boring.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:18 p.m.

&quot;engender&quot;? &quot;pathetic&quot;? &quot;art&quot;?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:57 p.m.

Perhaps when the city stops wasting people's money, the people will stop feeling bitter about it.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:54 p.m.

Does AG Shuette have anything to say about the alcohol dispensaries in the vicinity of these fights?

sun runner

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:45 p.m.

It's bad enough that we deal with road rage incidents, now we have to watch out for garage rage? (I guess that would be ga-rage...)


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:43 p.m.

I would like to see art funded to commemorate this increasingly typical event.

Atticus F.

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 3:42 p.m.

That comment was so funny, I litteraly shot coffee out of my nose, as I was taking a sip when I first read it!!!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:35 p.m.

I like how they identify the assailants, I guess we know what to expect if you see 12 men coming with belts and a tire iron. Why don't they describe the attackers? I guess being politically correct is more important than informing the public about who could possibly be the aggressors. Even a description of the vehicle could have helped, sounds more like a bad dream than an actual occurrence.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:16 p.m.

It's much more important that we don't offend people's sensibilities by stereotyping or profiling than it is that we save lives. You know that...ya big silly.

Simon Green

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:12 p.m.

This wouldn't happen if the parking garage had more art.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:59 p.m.

Lets erect a statue of a police man (woman), maybe this would stop the fights!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:59 a.m.

I happen to know the two men involved in this Incident. They were not at either these &quot;night clubs&quot;, nor have they ever stepped foot in them. Both College educated with good jobs. They were coming from Rush Street. From what I hear, they should have sucked it up and just let the car cut them in line. Not knowing what they were getting into, they messed with the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. To the above comment about the car probably being worth $600....the car WAS worth well over $11,000 to say the least. For someone who enjoys the Ann Arbor night life, this is getting really scary. Something needs to be done.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:44 p.m.

Thanks for providing some more info on this story.

Jon Saalberg

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 11:50 a.m.

@amlive: A call to 911 certainly would have been the right action - getting out of one's car and confronting a dozen armed young men? I think not.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:58 a.m.

OMG Stay OUT of AA @ night. What is this world coming to?????

Alan Goldsmith

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:49 a.m.

And thanks to the City Attorney, the Mayor and everyone else involved in letting the bar next to the structure reopen a few months ago after scores of dangerous legal violations. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster but City Officials moved forward with that bad decision as well.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:58 p.m.

Alan, please review most of these cases that you speak of. Most occurred outside of the club. Though the city has made steps to address these issues, how much is too much? The crack house on Packard (512) wasn't a problem until the dealer began selling to UM students, though most knew that it was a drug house. AAPD didn't bust the place, it took LAWNET to do it. A2 can't become a nanny state. This leads to Bonz &amp; Thonz not being able to sell some types of smoking apparatus or thongs.

Alan Goldsmith

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:47 a.m.

&quot;The assault wasn't the only incident in the garage early Sunday. Ninety minutes earlier, police arrested 21-year-old Willie Peavy of Dayton, Ohio, who they said struck a woman in the back with a belt in the garage. Police used pepper spray on Peavy after he allegedly refused to drop the belt. He was charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.&quot; This is the price we must pay for electing a Mayor who is 'comfortable' with cuts to our police force. It's no doubt, only the beginning of more to come.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 10:33 a.m.

Hmmm... did he have a paper bag with $58,000 in it? Tire Iron? That's so 1930. Nobody alive has ever seen a tire iron... they are an endangered species.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:35 p.m.

oops, we always called them that, but I know the tool you are talking about too. My husband owned an auto repair and used them.

Erik Epps

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 7:15 p.m.

Actually a Tire Iron is (was) a device used to pull a tire off a rim, specifically a tire with a tube. You can buy the same type of thing for Bikes now (in Plastic). Those four bladed thinges to unbolt lug nuts aren't tire irons.

Marilyn Wilkie

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:51 p.m.

Erik, some cars come with tire changing equipment that could barely do the job = flimsy. So, many folks just go and buy the real thing - a sturdy tire iron. We did.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 8:09 a.m.

No matter what they call it, whichever &quot;club&quot; is operating out of this address seems to be a big problem. Would like to get some investors together and reopen a nice restaurant a la &quot;Maudes&quot; and make sure it closes by 11:00. The &quot;riff raff&quot; can go elsewhere.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:42 p.m.

Maudes is not coming back get over it


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 3:41 a.m.

This is getting way, way out of hand. I say, the city should pass a 11pm curfew on alcoholic drinks. This will send the rift raft somewhere else. these violent acts are scaring people from going downtown. They can raise the parking rate as much as they want as far as I care. I never have these problems in Detroit. The blues clubs there are hopping and no violent acts. A2 has violence, rape, aggressive panhandlers, and a whole lot of kids, who are trying to compete over sexual mates, and trying to prove who is who with each other. Most of the old haunts are gone, and A2 has become so commercial I can't stand it. I at least expect this kind of behavior in Detroit, but I never had any problems there. A2 is just a playground for the G-culture anymore.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:44 p.m.

We should just make this town dry. Doesn't that always solve all the problems? Yes, I'm kidding.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:17 p.m.

We cannot be limiting the drinking times of our proud UM students who never do anything wrong. Any other suggestions?

Peter Baker

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:14 p.m.

&quot;I say, the city should pass a 11pm curfew on alcoholic drinks.&quot; Um, no.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:26 a.m.

Whuups, got myself censored. To rephrase, Personally I find meaningless, predatory violence like this to be absolutely disgusting. I think that most likely this kind of situation is a direct result of a lack of education and overall intelligence, combined with the ultra-masculine, violent macho attitude that is so prevalent in our society. Either start training for MMA or you're gonna be outta luck. I guess Burger King is always hiring though. Or prison.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 3:39 p.m.

Hmm.... I must disagree with that. I have yet to see a bar fight that was provoked by a smart, well educated person. And if that person was previously considered smart and well educated, after watching them get involved in a bar fight, I would re-define them as possibly well educated, but definitely NOT smart. Alcohol is no excuse for idiocy.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:38 p.m.

People act like this when they have consumed too much alcohol. Alcohol removes inhibitions that would normally prevent such behavior. Bar fights happen to smart well educated people too in case didn't know that.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:51 a.m.

I know it's hard to believe anything could be worse than menacing panhandlers and deviant wildfowl assassins, but this is just ucky. Too bad Steven Seagal wasn't on hand with a Humvee full of karate throwing knives.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:54 p.m.

Or, Chuck Norris ready with a swift round house kick!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:36 p.m.

Funny!!! Karate's modern translation is &quot;empty hand&quot; No martial arts practitioner willingly throws away perfectly good knives. Steven Segal is a practitioner of Aikido and a conversely a master marksman (preferred tool is the 1911).


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:08 a.m.

Welcome to the new wild, wild west.(Midwest)


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:59 a.m.

I've come to expect this sort of thing at the Wisconsin State Fair, or in Oakland, where the Mayor would call this &quot;mostly peaceful,&quot; but here in glass-bubble-covered, enlightened Ann Arbor? Boy, if these out-of-towners keep coming here to disturb our utopia, we're going to have to put a curfew into effect or something.

steve h

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:55 a.m.

great, now the city council will spends thousands on consultants to determine whether or not to ban belts within the city limits.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:30 p.m.

OK, that was good, Steve H. One vote up from me!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:50 p.m.

Then council will pass another ordinance requiring people to pull up their pants!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2 p.m.

steve h's suggestion sounds ridiculous at first blush but I don't doubt that something like that will happen given the clownish nature of AA city government. More realistically: If Republic can't handle the job get someone who can; close these establishments who are perennial problems: station a cop or three inside the structure at closing time (at Republic's expense). My two cents.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:43 a.m.

There will likely be an ordinance banning people who are &quot;approaching&quot; becoming violent.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:13 a.m.

They'll probably put up signs offering free anger-management counseling, because, after all, people are inherently good, and if we just encourage the goodness in them, it will come out (tire irons notwithstanding). Stiffer punishment, nah, that doesn't work. We're better than that.

Ron Granger

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:40 a.m.

The AAPD needs to buckle down and bring these belt and tire-iron wielding miscreants to justice.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:39 a.m.

As someone who lives near this structure, and parks there regularly, I'm quite concerned about the growing rate of violence around here. Police are CONSTANTLY next door to the structure outside Studio 4 or Dream Nightclub (different name, same violence) but not at the right times, it seems like. I always felt comforted walking out of the structure and seeing a police car, but I guess it's a false sense of security. It doesn't say anything in the article, but I'm sure a few of the people involved were coming from Studio 4. That place needs to go.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:59 p.m.

I do live near there, so I can see that about half the signs on/around the building still say Studio 4.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:49 p.m.

Common use of resources. If police patrolled the area at the time the bars closes, this might help. Alas, they're there around 11pm-12pm doing drive-by's. Even most teenagers knows that crap begins at closing, 2am.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:28 p.m.

Hasn't been Studio 4 in quite some time now. I thought you said you live near there?


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 11:56 p.m.

Seems like a lot happens on Sunday night in downtown A2.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:25 p.m.

Saturday night leads into sunday mornings once it's past 12:00 a.m. so this makes perfect sense.

Dog Guy

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 11:21 p.m.

The most important thing is whether the mayor is comfortable with such assaults.

Tex Treeder

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:58 p.m.

His car had more than $11,000 in damage? A line of cars waiting to exit at 3 am? A dozen men suddenly appeared to assault the driver and his cousin? This is a very bizarre story. More here than meets the eye.

Smart Logic

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 9:26 p.m.

Events finish at late hours, and lines of cars waiting to get out are not unusual at all hours. There are all sorts of things that make people snap, and mob mentality is exactly that. It doesn't excuse it, and I hope they are all caught and prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 1:44 p.m.

It obviously happened Saturday after the bars closed, and people were celebrating halloween that night. A line of cars to exit the parking ramp isn't far fetched.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:55 p.m.

This seems to be a reoccurring theme in AA: we can afford to keep our current parking garages safe, but we have $50 million to build a new underground parking garage. Why?


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:56 p.m.

sorry &quot;can't afford&quot;, of course

David Paris

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:53 p.m.

I've been in Republics garages trying to get out when the line backed up five or six stories, then paid for the extra half-hour it took me to exit the structure, and can tell you, it's VERY frustrating. Republic Parking deserves a portion of the blame on this, they are in no way innocent. With their lock on structure parking in this town, they have no compassion for their customers tremendous inconveniences. I don't think that it is much of a stretch to accuse Republic Parking of Inciting Violence because of their stubbornness, lack of customer service when traffic backs up in their structure. Any decent manager would evacuate the structure asap, even if it requires taking a profit hit, but when a business has a monopoly they don't think of the customer first. They will lose in the end, I'm sure.

David Paris

Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 2:27 a.m.

No, I argued with them for five minutes while the guy behind me was screaming at me to pay the fee and go, he even got out of his car and tried to give me a dollar in a raging fit. Republic wouldn't budge for even 40 cents (what I figured I racked up while I waited in the back up).When I got home I emailed a complaint to management and received a lame reply the next day.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:28 p.m.

And you paid it???? Hopefully you did so only to avoid a hassle, not because you thought that the charges were valid. Same thing happened to me, but Republic retracted the charges. My lawyer would have make mincemeat out of them for holding me against my will and forcing me to take out their gate.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:38 a.m.

I witnessed this the other night. I saw a Republic employee STANDING in one of the exits of the Maynard Garage to keep cars from exiting through that gate without paying... Why couldn't he just get inside the booth and run the registers so cars could leave twice as fast??? Eventually the police were called for a fight happening while cars were backed up due to bar closing time. I don't understand why Republic just doesn't do like they used to in the Ann St structure and start charging a fee to GET IN at a certain time of night so that the bar crowds can leave quickly and easily. Oh wait, they might miss a few bucks that way.

Marilyn Wilkie

Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:43 p.m.

Are belts the new weapon of choice for thugs? Commenters here have brought up some good points re:why did everyone ignore this, and the fact that Ann Arbor is not the safe place that it used to be. I thought the bars closed at 2:00am.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:25 p.m.

I had no idea there could be a line of cars stopped waiting to pay their exit fees downtown at 3:00 AM on a Sunday morning. That structure is near the restaurants and shops on Main St; it seems an odd place for this kind of thing to happen. Is there a bar near there that lets out at this hour?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 6:06 p.m.

parking is free on SUNDAY....these people were still waiting in line to pay for their use of the structure on Saturday Night....

5c0++ H4d13y

Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 3:19 p.m.

Parking is free on Sunday. The gates should have been up?


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:46 p.m.

@CanDam-so, with the multiple other bars in the area whose patrons might used this same structure, you're assuming that patrons from Studio 4 are the culprits? And, for those people who have been stabbed on multiple occasions, most were not in the club, but outside. So with your logic, lets just close the place down because events as such can occur. While we're at it, lets close Scorekeepers, annual student party on Greene St., Rick's.....


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 12:33 a.m.

Not that I can think of... Oh wait! There's Studio 4 (Dream?). You know, the bar where people have been shot and stabbed on multiple occasions, that's still open for some reason.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:18 p.m.

Can the city of Ann Arbor not afford to put video surveillance in it's parking structures?????? This is horrible, and only ONE person was arrested? Ann Arbor is falling apart...


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:43 p.m.

If I recall correctly, the structure at Ann &amp; Ashley has camera's. Talk to the DDA who manages the parking structures and not the city.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 4:34 a.m.

It's Ann Arbor... Remember the OUTRAGE when the idea of cameras came up? The ACLU got involved when people wanted to try to keep kids safe in Pioneer High School. Then a grass roots movement was started a few months back to make a law PROHIBITING cameras when nobody was even trying to install them <a href=""></a> But let me guess, it would be OKAY to use them now...


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 10:03 p.m.

Wow, this is super disturbing! Are there cameras in any of these structures? I thought I remembered something about cameras being added after the sexual assaults that occurred this summer, but I could be wrong...either way, I hope they find these thugs!


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:46 p.m.

Why in the world would anyone get out of their car in a situation like this? Ann Arbor is certainly not the safe town it once was.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:41 p.m.

Yeah, let's build more parking structures! I've got an idea, let's build one underground. I would feel really safe there at night.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:40 p.m.

This happened in a long line of cars, and no one from any other cars stepped up to help or called 911? Sick. I certainly hope that ever single one of these assailants is caught and incarcerated. I bet people just can't wait to start parking in the great underground DDA money pit when it's done. I'm sure that will be a whole lot safer compared to the rapes and assaults happening in all the above ground structures, right?


Sat, Nov 5, 2011 : 3:15 p.m.

Of course nobody in a long line of cars at 3:00 am called the police. They're all drunk and would be arrested for DUI! That's why all this happened.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:36 p.m.

The brightest and best!


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 6:04 p.m.

This has nothing to do with the local brightest and best....this has to do with thugs who come to a particular bar in our community that should have been closed down a long long time ago.


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:33 p.m.

imagine how safe the underground structure will be!


Thu, Nov 3, 2011 : 9:13 p.m.

Have never been in this parking structure, and now I know I will never go into it. I might be wrong, and not saying that it is, but wonder if this is a gang type of incident. Congrats to Ann Arbor Police for the arrest of the man from Dayton, Ohio.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 5:29 p.m.

Yeah, clearly the parking structure is really, really dangerous (rolls eyes). Two seemingly related incidents (both involving belts ... who hits with a belt?) at 3am, first incidents I've ever heard of at that parking structure in the 10 or so years it has been open. But yeah, please by all means let your irrational fear control your decision-making.


Fri, Nov 4, 2011 : 2:41 p.m.

The arrest of one person while others create mayhem and got away. Yeah, great job AAPD.