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Posted on Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 5:59 a.m.

Residents voice concerns about governor's budget at 'Common Sense Conversation' forum

By Ryan J. Stanton

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Moderator Christy McDonald leads a lively discussion on state budget issues during a town hall meeting Wednesday night at Washtenaw Community College.

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Canton resident Matthew Fiems said he works in downtown Detroit and has witnessed firsthand the difference the state's film incentives have made in the last few years.

"The office building that I worked in basically had three floors that were occupied and six floors that were not," he said. "Because of those incentives, I believe, a film company moved in, filled up the rest of our floor, our restaurants were busier, our streets were busier, and you could see a definite change. It made a positive impact."

Fiems said he's afraid the deep cuts Republican Gov. Rick Snyder has proposed to Michigan's film incentive program are going to destroy what's starting to become a real industry.

"Especially downtown," he said. "So I hope they reconsider that."

Most of the two dozen residents who attended Wednesday night's "Common Sense Conversation" town hall meeting at Washtenaw Community College seemed to be in agreement on one thing: They disagree with the governor's state budget proposal.

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Ann Arbor resident Michael Elliott expressed concerns about Snyder's budget proposal, including a proposed 6 percent flat corporate income tax.

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They disagree with making deep cuts to K-12 schools and public universities. They disagree with large tax breaks for businesses. And it seems they'd rather raise taxes than make cuts.

The Center for Michigan, MiVote.org and Detroit Public Television hosted Wednesday's meeting, which was moderated by TV journalist Christy McDonald. The meeting was a chance for residents to chime in and offer solutions to the state's budget problems.

"We're going to take all this information, and we're going to make sure Lansing knows what you're thinking," McDonald said. "I think now more than ever we're empowered as citizens of Michigan to come up with some ideas, and to tell the people in Lansing."

Wednesday's discussion was lively throughout. It was the second in a series of town hall meetings being held across the state, said John Bebow, Center for Michigan executive director.

Bebow said the results of the town hall meetings will be combined with public polling, and the Center for Michigan will issue a report this spring to explain what statewide citizens are saying and thinking about the 2011 reform approaches in the state Capitol.

The state budget cuts Snyder has proposed — partly to close a $1.4 billion deficit and partly to finance $1.8 billion in tax breaks for businesses — would negatively impact schools, universities, cities, townships, counties, senior citizens and low-income wage earners, among other groups. It also promises deep cuts to the state's film incentives.

"What is happening here is we have, I believe, a conservative agenda," said Chuck Fellows, a retired businessman from Livingston County who ran as a Democrat for the state Senate last year. "They believe, I think, sincerely in their agenda, but I don't think that agenda fits."

Ypsilanti resident Beth Hill received a round of applause when she said true "shared sacrifice" would be a graduated income tax proposal where higher income brackets pay a higher tax rate. So far, Hill said, what she's seen from Snyder are efforts to eliminate tax credits for low-income wage earners, reduce unemployment benefits and tax pensions.

"When are we going to see sacrifice from people who are in the governor's income bracket? The DeVos family. The Meijers," she said. "I have seen no sacrifice from them yet and their businesses are the ones that are getting all these tax breaks."

Wednesday's meeting touched on a wide range of issues. Attendees watched video clips from Snyder's February budget address before being asked a series of questions, which they answered using electronic remotes. Results were posted on a screen in real time.

When asked how they felt about Michigan at this moment, 64 percent said they were pessimistic and fear it's going to be a long, hard struggle for years to come. Another 4 percent went as far to say they were despondent and seriously thinking about leaving the state.

Asked about balancing the state budget, 79 percent said they favored a mix of tax increases and budget cuts; 17 percent said just increase taxes; and 3 percent said all cuts.

When asked about business taxes, just 10 percent said they supported a major business tax cut; 37 percent said they supported a moderate cut; and 47 percent said no cuts.

On Snyder's proposal to tax pensions, 65 percent said it wasn't a good idea, while 32 percent said it was a good idea; 3 percent were undecided.

Asked which tax they'd raise, 39 percent said taxes on alcohol and tobacco; 26 percent said sales taxes; 23 percent said personal income taxes; and 13 percent said business taxes.

Asked what to do about the state's unfunded legacy costs, 43 percent said increase taxes; 27 percent said they didn't know; 17 percent said cut elsewhere; and 13 percent said lower benefits or increase cost-sharing for pubic workers and retirees.

Asked where to cut, 41 percent said public safety and justice; 33 percent said economic development; 11 percent said transportation; 7 percent said revenue sharing; 4 percent said environment; 4 percent said education; and no one said health care and social services.

Asked where to invest, 43 percent said education; 17 percent said health care and social services; 17 percent said economic development; 10 percent said transportation; 10 percent said environment; 3 percent said revenue sharing; and no one said public safety or justice.

Ann Arbor resident Michael Elliott said he thought Snyder's proposed 6 percent corporate income tax, which would take the place of the Michigan Business Tax, was too low.

"If he developed a business plan that said cutting all these taxes for business was going to create some jobs, I'd like to see the analysis," Elliott said.

Multiple residents said they saw Snyder's budget as essentially a transfer of wealth that will lead to further dwindling of the middle class.

Residents spoke passionately in support of education. Snyder's budget proposes a 15-percent reduction in funding for state universities and cuts to K-12 education that work out to about $700 per student when factoring in increased mandatory pension contributions.

Toward the end of the meeting, laughter erupted in the room as McDonald asked the question: "What's the one thing you would tell Gov. Snyder?"

The first two people said "resign." Others said they hope Snyder is listening to what people have to say and is willing to rethink some of his proposed cuts. A few said they thought he was doing a good job as governor so far and they're still willing to give him a chance.

Ryan J. Stanton covers government and politics for AnnArbor.com. Reach him at ryanstanton@annarbor.com or 734-623-2529. You also can follow him on Twitter or subscribe to AnnArbor.com's e-mail newsletters.

Comments

Domey

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 6:06 p.m.

Regarding Governor Snyder: Who would have thought that the fox would do this when we let him in the hen house?

JSA

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 4:32 p.m.

The one thing everyone keeps saying that does not make a lot of sense to me is how the governor is giving big business money. He is proposing that they be allowed to keep more of their own money and this makes other unhappy because big business' money is no longer being spent on them instead. Seems a little hypocritical to me.

dotdash

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 4:38 p.m.

dividuWe all (individuals and businesses) contribute to support the shared services we all (individuals and businesses) use. What Gov. Snyder is doing is shifting more of the burden from businesses to individuals. So yes, relative to the status quo, this is a forced gift to businesses from the individuals under Gov. Snyder's plan who will make up the difference.

chefbrian1

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 4:22 p.m.

It sounded to me that people where more into raising taxes some, dumping the 1.8 billion tax break for corps and sharing the burden so our k-12 and colleges did not take a huge hit. What will the corps do with their 1.8 billion hand out given to them in part from every k-12 grader? My guess is that they will do what they have been doing for the last few years. They will give big bonuses at the top and pocket the rest for a sunny day. Corporations hoarding cash is the trend of the day. Maybe there will be a reality show for corporate cash hoarders. Or maybe the Corps will give their hand out to their out of state/out of the country share holders as a dividend. Or Maybe the Corporations will buy Michigan state bonds and loan us back the money with interest. How would that be for a budget solver, ah? One thing is for sure, the corps are not required to spend one dime back into the state to create jobs.

dotdash

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 4:13 p.m.

Of course it was an unrepresentative sample. But I disagree that it was just "folks who were unhappy enough with the proposed budget to be a part". Some people were there because they were interested in learning more. And some because they believe in open dialog. And some to support the governor. All kinds, just like the community in general. And I strongly disagree that it was folks who "want no cuts that impact them and want to see someone else taxed". On the whole, I would characterize the people in the room as intelligent, thinking community-minded people who understood the fix Michigan is in and really wanted to talk about solutions -- and not just to push their own solutions (although there was some of that) but to be a part of something larger. A very articulate crowd and worth listening to. I will just note in passing that there were empty seats. Rather than criticizing from the sidelines, some of you might consider trying to offer something constructive.

dotdash

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 9:47 p.m.

I'm sorry you weren't there; your comments are usually very useful. Odd that what you heard was so at odds with I heard. Granted, there did seem to be some in the room who represented entrenched interests or were only interested in there own narrow self-interest, but I was struck by the greater number of people who were genuinely concerned about the whole state and interested in the more general conversation.

DonBee

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 9:20 p.m.

Some of us have to travel every week to find jobs. If I had been in town, I would have been in the room. Before I commented I listened to a tape of what was said in the room. I stand by my comment.

HJK

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 3:53 p.m.

I agree with the concerns the people made at this meeting. It is predictable what the far right and far left support. We hear it from their mouth pieces regularly. I do not support the cut of education at all. If Michigan wants growth in its future (outside of Nepotism), we need educated young. I do agree with Snyder that we need to keep our younger population in the state, but don't agree with his plan. I find that his plans are lead by political biased groups, like Mackinac Center conservative group. We need balance in this state and I don't think you can get balance by catering to 80k rich voters. You only have to live in KY or TN to see how that works. The rich do not spend the money that moves the economy. Middle class and blue collar workers are the spenders. Bottom-line, we all want the same thing. We want Michigan to thrive, but this will never happen when you have elected officials making decisions that benefit the rich on the backs of the working middle class. I could support gradual cuts and paying higher taxes, if EVERYONE (including the wealthy business owners) was having to make the same sacrifice.

leaguebus

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 7:48 p.m.

The proposed tax on pensions ends at $45K, why would Snyder do that, to make the rich richer? Lets all share the pain, not the people that can least afford it.

L. C. Burgundy

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 2:39 p.m.

Yawn. They want all the benefits and want the evil rich to pay for it all. When they said "raise taxes" they really meant "raise other people's taxes and don't raise mine." The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

David Briegel

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 6:31 p.m.

Yes, but the Swede's have an advantage. They are civilized!

macjont

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 5:44 p.m.

Actually, L.C., Sweden seems to do quite well with "socialism." Wish we'd try it.

DonBee

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 : 11:38 a.m.

The number in the story are an unscientific survey. They represent the folks who were unhappy enough with the proposed budget to be part of the meeting. That does not mean they are wrong (or right). I note the largest portion of the folks at the meeting want no cuts that impact them and want to see someone else taxed. So let's just kick the can down the road a couple more years and see if there is still a Michigan.