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Posted on Tue, May 22, 2012 : 5:58 a.m.

Former Michigan football players see Wolverines 'torturing' Urban Meyer and Ohio State in coming years

By Nick Baumgardner


The faith former Michigan players have that the Wolverines can "Beat Ohio" seems to stem completely from their confidence in coach Brady Hoke.

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The Michigan-Ohio State rivalry was kicked up two rather large notches in one three-day stretch last November.

First, the Wolverines exorcised 2,926 days of frustration with a 40-34 win over the Buckeyes in Ann Arbor. Two days later, the Buckeyes shook things up even more by formally announcing the hiring of Urban Meyer as the program's next head coach.

And now, thanks to the constant emphasis put on the game by both Meyer and Michigan football coach Brady Hoke, the rivalry seems to have regained the intensity, nastiness and downright anger that fueled it for so many years.

Ohio State has its coach, but Michigan does, too. And former players aren't too concerned about the Wolverines slipping back into the pattern that kept them winless against the Buckeyes for seven years.

"I'm not trying to get bulletin board information, but I guess I'm past that point," former Michigan football offensive lineman Steve Everitt said Friday during WTKA's "Mott Takeover" event. "They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow.


Michigan coach Brady Hoke -- who still refers to OSU as "Ohio" -- has coached in the rivalry before, and put great importance on the game from the day he was hired.

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"I see us torturing them for the next three years."

Game on.

Everitt was joined on WTKA by former Michigan greats Charles Woodson, Steve Hutchinson and Jake Long.

And, though not as demonstrative as Everitt, they had similar opinions on the Michigan-Ohio State matter.

"Honestly, I don't care what they do," said Long, a former left tackle who now plays with the Miami Dolphins. "I don't care who they bring in. I believe in our coach, I believe in the players that (Hoke) will bring in. We turned it around last year and we're on the right path and that's going to be an emphasis again.

"We're going to get back on the right track."

The faith in Michigan's re-emergence within the rivalry seems to stem completely from the alumni base's confidence in Hoke.

During his tenure as a Michigan assistant (1995-2002), the Wolverines were 5-3 against the Buckeyes, including a five of six victory stretch from 1995-2000.

Hoke -- who still refers to OSU as "Ohio" -- has coached in the rivalry before, and put great importance on the game from the day he was hired.

After famously pounding his fist on the podium at the Junge Center during his introductory news conference, Hoke installed a year-round countdown clock at Schembechler Hall to serve as a reminder of the game's importance.

Hoke's passion for the Ohio State rivalry isn't questioned by anyone, something that wasn't exactly true during Rich Rodriguez's three-year tenure from 2008-10.

"During the Rich Rod years, you never heard anything talked about Michigan-Ohio State, Michigan-Michigan State," Woodson said. "Under him, it was just another game.

"We don't know about Michigan football that way. You've got to win those two games, and that part of Michigan football is back."

As for Meyer? Woodson said he's glad Ohio State went out and eventually hired a big-name coach to replace the fired Jim Tressel. Woodson believes the presence of both Meyer and Hoke will only fuel the rivalry, bringing it back to the national forefront every November.

"I think the best part about it, for me, is that rivalry and the way people look at it will go back to the days of old," Woodson added. "It brings excitement, having Urban Meyer at Ohio State, having Brady Hoke here at Michigan and having our game once again have significance.

"I'm all for it, I think they'll be good under Coach Meyer, but we've got a great coach. And I'm telling you, it's only going to get better."

The consensus is clear: the Wolverines have their man, and they're not afraid who knows it.

Michigan visits Ohio State in 186 days.

And, if Everitt has his way, Nov. 24 -- and every Thanksgiving weekend thereafter -- will be a joyous occasion for Wolverine backers.

"I say that we build on this year," Everitt said, "and we split their wig every year for the next 20 years."

Nick Baumgardner covers Michigan sports for He can be reached at 734-623-2514, by email at and followed on Twitter @nickbaumgardner.



Thu, May 24, 2012 : 2:49 a.m.

Some fun trivia: Jot down all the Michigan vs Ohio State slogans that you can remember from all your years as a fan of the Wolverines or Buckeyes. I grew up in the 60s and 70s when Bo Schembechler (Michigan) and Woody Hayes (Ohio State) dominated the Big 10 year after year. During that era, the Big Ten title was almost always determined by the outcome of the showdown at the year between the Buckeyes and Wolverines. Here are the slogans, that were advertised/plastered on bumper stickers, that I can remember from those days: "Goody, goody, Bo beat Woody!" "Ho, ho, ho, Woody beat Bo!" "Oh How I Hate Ohio State." "Roses for Woody, Lilies for Bo." (In 1970, after Ohio State beat Michigan to earn the right to play the Pac 8 champion, Stanford Indians, in the Rose Bowl.) "Ohio State Has Lost Its Punch" (In 1978, after Woody was fired for slugging Clemson linebacker, Charlie Bauman, in the Gator Bowl.) "No Mish-Mash, Just Mash Mich." "Save Fuel, Burn Woody" (During the fuel crisis of 1973.) Which slogans do you remember?


Thu, May 24, 2012 : 1:31 a.m.

In less that 5 years,Urban will still be at Ohio State,and Hoke will be gone.


Thu, May 24, 2012 : 3:25 a.m.

you might want to trade-in your crystal-ball for a new one! oscar meyer has been o$u's coach for what, 4-months and he has already committed NCAA violations! granted these were minor level 1,level 2 infraction's, but he is picking up whare jt left off? (interesting article at about meyer when he was at florida, what a guy). in five year's or less meyer will be gone either because of NCAA problems or health issue's!! coach HOKE will still be at MICHIGAN!! GO BLUE!!!!!!


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 11:30 p.m.

Mr. Baumgardner, Great story and well written! With one exception. The same glaring typo appears several times in the story; it's "Ohio" not "Oho State". Brady Hoke would have caught the mistake ~ In Hoke We Trust ~ Perhaps you can add the big guy to your editorial staff. as a proofreader. Meanwhile, keep up the good work, Hail to the Victors, and Go Blue!

Robert Granville

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 2:03 p.m.

Raise your hand if you see Lloyd Brady...


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 1:53 p.m.

I think you guys under-estimate what is coming from us in Columbus. To say that Braxton is hindering us is laughable... he almost single handedly beat you guys last year when you were clearly the superior team. I take Braxton, Urban and the new Ohio State anyday. I think it is us who will be torturing you! Go Bucks!


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 5:36 p.m.

I believe he was referring to the overthrown game winners. Considering the state of Ohio St. at that time, the game never should have hinged on Braxton overthrowing two touchdown passes! Especially with the game played in Ann Arbor and Michigan such a "superior" team.

Robert Granville

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 2:03 p.m.

You must have missed those game-winners that Braxton overthrew....


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 6:07 a.m.

football sucks


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 11:13 a.m.

Good one alex. I'll be sure and put that in my, book of famous quotes.


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 2:20 a.m.

it's amazing how much more confident we became after one win. I love that the rivalry is getting attention, but it is not close to being what it once was. Until each team is at full strength, which hasn't happened in four years, we can't say it's back to where it was. We were a mess for the three RR years and they were a mess last year. Let's see what this thing looks like in two years. Both teams will have a core of recruits that their current coaches brought in. Don't get me wrong, a win against OSU is great no matter what the circumstances are, but let's at least beat them when they are at full strength. GO BLUE!


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 11:12 a.m.

Boo ! I live in the now, and the now indicates that we, Michigan has one year of bragging rights over ohio. I didn't hear ohio complaining about their wins over Mich. when Mich. was down. This rivalry is, one year at a time nothing more and nothing less.


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 1:51 a.m.

Torture??? what a joke..these ex players have had too many concussions to believe this.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 9:35 p.m.

Bottom line: Former Michigan football players sees Michigan having the upper hand vs ohio even with urban meyer. They like what Brady Hoke and staff are doing and they have agood feel for the recruiting Hoke has been doing. I hope and trust they are right...GO BLUE!!!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 9:17 p.m.

These type of comments happen every year bout this time. It's just a bunch of exasperated fans that still have to face a long hot summer before the, games begin. My feelings are, let the our team do the walking and talking for us.

Terry Star21

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 7:51 p.m.

The main response here (with the exception of Everitt, who we know is a very emotional backer on the sidelines {no offense steve} ) is that, this will again be a very intense rivalry and Michigan looks to be capable of not only holding their own - but giving ohio more than they can handle. This I like. Whether we chose to agree or not, the majority of the ohio people want Michigan to be at their best, as do the Michigan people. Some criticize the 08'-10' losses to the coach, others criticize the 11' loss to an interim coach, or other years as the cooper era - we need to stop making excuses. Many media authorities peg this matchup as the greatest rivalry in college football. These two teams always land in the top five viewer picks of most watched teams on the tube. The dedicated faithful (sometimes not the fans) of these two teams should be thankful we have this great rivalry and always will. MgoBlueForTiM....both these teams - 'They're the Threat"


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 11:34 p.m.

Well said!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:37 p.m.

I see the post about "exorcise" vs. "exercise" has been removed. I'd forgotten how tempremental the moderators of this site were. Posts with words like "pathetic" and phrases like "overgrown children" are allowed. But a rational reply to an poorly constructed criticism of the original article is taken down. This is why I tend to read MGoBlog now. It too has its silliness. But it tends to be self-correcting, not moderated with an inconsistent hand.

Blue Marker

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 4:41 p.m.

It's true, Brian Cook could tell his followers the sky is falling and they would believe it until he told them otherwise. However, I still visit the site daily. I find information you don't find other places and leave what I don't care about behind.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 8:26 p.m.

Mgoblog is horrible. Brian was so pro-RR, anti-Hoke, and pro-Brian that it was just too much to take. He misuses statistics and uses tweener-like writing to win over less discerning readers. And they follow him like sheep.

Terry Star21

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 7:53 p.m.

You are correct sir !


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:51 p.m.

@Don: I understood your comment. I was in Scottsdale over the weekend and missed Hoke, Beilein and others by 1 day but friends of mine were there and had a great time. My friend wore a red-dish shirt and Hoke gave him fits!! Why my friend didn't wear one of his gazillion Michigan shirts is a mystery...Sorry that you missed it. It is one of those meet and greets that probably precedes the development office contacting you :) Even with the silly comments that are on this site, I think the back and forth generally is good and adds to my enjoyment of following the M football, almost as much as I like the columns. I like that the journalists also add comments in response. I have not found any meaningful feedback from the Free Press journalists or from Wojo of the DetNews. Angelique does email back every so often (I haven't sent comments more than once or twice a year to them, usually in response to the RichRod articles they would write)


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:33 p.m.

@heartbreakM -- please don't get me wrong ... I too enjoy the story selections offered here. I think Kyle is a terrific sports writer. I do get weary of some of the trolling and snarking in the comment section ... but my reaction to that is really my issue, not this site's. I should just ignore it.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:20 p.m.

DONAZ. . . don't let the moderation police stop you from posting here. i enjoy your post's!! GO BLUE!!!!!!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:19 p.m.

I have not liked mgoblog on the few times i have been there. I like this site--I think Kyle, Nick and the other staff do an excellent job of story selection and detail including in-season analysis, and I like the small-ish community of posters that keep coming back. I don't get the comments removed either but try to do my best to keep it non-controversial while still debating...


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:18 p.m.

@smokeblwr -- no, I discovered MGoBlog in the aftermath of the Hoke hire. But some of what you refer to is still echoing about that site. There's a good deal of snarking and back-biting on that site which is frankly a bit tiring. But there are other posts that are remarkably helpful in understanding the game. I'm starting to take a greater interest in the deeper X's and O's of the game because of things I've read on that site. One of that site's inspirations for the technical aspects of the game came from the "Smart Football" site -- The author of that site has a new book out called "The Essential Smart Football" which takes a closer look at spread offenses, west coast offenses, and defensive responses. I ordered it ($10 on Amazon) and I'm looking forward to digging into the guts of the game a bit more.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:10 p.m.

Did you read MGoBlog prior to Brady Hoke being hired? Brian Cook was so anti-Lloyd/anti-Defran/Pro RichRod I don't think you would have tolerated it.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:24 p.m.

It's just amazing the amount of angst, anger, dislike etc that the alumni players have to the RichRod years and his coaching style. They barely held it in when he was the coach, but now have no holds barred. For those slappies who still thought he was the right hire and thought we critics were unduly harsh, I say to them that they should read the comments of those on the inside. The slappies should not just accuse LC of undermining the WCIMFH, but read and understand the actual players' comments. It is telling. There is a deep pride in Michigan football by the alumni of the program, of the school, and its general fanbase. Brady Hoke understands that and is embracing and enhancing it, not just by wins-losses but by his words and actions. And that's why Brady is already so loved. Brady was in Scottsdale AZ yesterday at a meet-and-greet and had 200 fans or more. Can you imagine the current U-AZ coach getting that many in his own home state?


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 4:18 p.m.

I agree about not revisiting those days, but I can't help but wonder--and I'm serious...I don't mean to sound silly or anything, but would like to know--what is considered "undermining" RR? Because it sounds like people are saying some former players and alums voicing their negative opinions amounts to undermining RR. If so, I understand support is important, but how does that translate to what goes on on the field? I do think that Woodson, Jones, Everitt, etc, need to leave the past in the past. You can talk about how well Michigan is doing now without mentioning RR or, really, hardly mentioning those 3 years.

Blue Marker

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:58 p.m.

My God, the last thing any of us should do is re-visit the RR years. However, I was one who didn't feel RR was given a fair shot. I'm glad it's over and I've happily moved on but I will say again I've never seen a coach more undermined in my life. I really don't want to debate it; minds won't meet on this very sensitive issue. But to act as if everything that went wrong during RR was his fault is just not being honest. That said, if I saw BH at Banfield's I'd buy him an ice cold beer and say "thank you".


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:30 p.m.

Hoke was in Scottsdale? Damn ... had I known I'd have gone up and met him. With respect to the broader point you make above, I go back to this: "Character matters." Hoke has it. Others do not.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.

Michigan–Ohio State football rivalry Total meetings 108 Series record Michigan leads, 58–43–6 First meeting October 17, 1897 Michigan 34, Ohio State 0 Last meeting November 26, 2011 Michigan 40, Ohio State 34 Next meeting November 24, 2012 Largest win Michigan, 86–0 (1902) Longest win streak Michigan, 9 (1901–1909) Current win streak Michigan, 1 (2011–present) Trophy None

Billy Bob Schwartz

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 8:10 p.m.

What's "the shoe?" Do you mean that big red fish in columbus? That's a shoe? I thought it was a red panfish, probably a genetic mutation of the bluegill. Very interesting.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 7:15 p.m.

I included the 2010 win to indicate they won on the field. I added the note so that the reader can choose whether or not they want to count it in the total. As for the BCS, although it's not the ideal format, I like it better than what was in place before...and we kinda have to live with it until something new comes along.

Blue Marker

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 5:23 p.m.

I love how the whole world spits on the BCS until it serves them. SEC Fan you can slice the bread any way you want. The numbers are what they are. What Michigan did to OSU in the 90's was returned to Michigan by OSU in the '00's. Now things have evened up. As for counting the '10 win, you do what you feel is right. All I know is a coach who wrote about morality played players he knew to be ineligible to gain an advantage. I'm sure most Arkansas fans would agree with me.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:38 p.m.

@Blue Marker...I think he's including the 2010 Ohio st. win in his/her screen name.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:36 p.m.

frankly, not an impressive set of statistics. Win "streak" of 1? not really a streak, especially when the win was against an interim coach. Plus the dates of your other "significant" stats are over 100 years old. (next meeting isn't really a stat). How about: # of BCS Championship Games Played: Ohio St. 3, Michigan 0 # of BCS Championships Won: Ohio St 1, Michigan 0 Series Record (Ohio St. vs. Michigan) in BCS era: 10-4 (for Ohio St.) Big 10 Championships in BCS Era: Ohio St. 8, Michigan 4 (includes shared for both) Series Record since 1912 (last 100 years): 47-44-4 (for Michigan) NOTE: I included 2010s Ohio St win

Blue Marker

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:46 p.m.

So by your screen name I assume you believe Michigan will lose this year? I know it's in the Shoe but that's a 6-7 team from last year that's learning a new system....I like Michigan's odds.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 2:54 p.m.

I agree that former players can say whatever they like about the rivalry. You know who should shut up and live in the real world; all the pathetic UofM fans who live vicariously through 18-22 year old men playing a game. Find another hobby try anything outdoors. This town, this newspaper are obsessed with a football game like it means something. It is a silly obsession perpetrated by two universities to keep people (the vast majority of which didn't attend either university) interested enough to by apparrel, season tickets and everything else UofM and OSU. Grow up, I'm so sick of this stupid rivalry. Bo and Woody are dead, they don't live on through the rants of overgrown children who waste time on this sort of garbage. BTW nobody would have cared if RR was a Michigan Man if he would have won a few national titles.

Billy Bob Schwartz

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 8:26 p.m.

Alex...I remember once at a major chess tournament (yes, I'm a child in many ways, and happy to be), a guy lost, and threw his king the length of the room, landing it in a full pitcher or ice water. His opponent said, "It's only a game, man." Everyone in the room stopped what they were doing and looked up in shock...Not at the guy who tossed the king, but at the other doofis who made that ridiculous comment. Do you folks have any activities you like? I'd just like to know. Or do you just put others down?

Billy Bob Schwartz

Wed, May 23, 2012 : 8:21 p.m.

SW...Did we wake up on the wrong side of the keyboard this morning? Good grief. Chill out. Just because many people not yourself really like something and enjoy it a lot doesn't mean that they are mental cripples and that you are the one genius in town. I would prefer Michigan-Ohio football (or other sports, too) to sitting around staring at a wall and getting bad vibes about life and then launching an attack on those who have something you don't care for. If you are sick of the rivalry, why don't you read something else. Nobody forces you to click on these Michigan articles. Skip on down the road and read about something else. That's what I do when articles deal with, say, soccer or cricket. People probably would have supported RR more if he had won a few Big Ten games. National title? Don't be absurd.


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 6:09 a.m.

seriously, if you're not in college why do people care so much? It's almost as bad as going back to your high school and freaking about whether your team wins or loses... people need to grow up, it's just a game.

Blue Marker

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:50 p.m.

Well said Don! Color me "silly" until the day I die!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:28 p.m.

as rodney dangerfield would say "the last time i saw a mouth like that it had a hook in-it!! GO BLUE!!!!!!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:07 p.m.

I am always amused by people who dedicate so much energy to proclaiming their indifference to something. In effect -- "I care deeply about not caring." I guess I'm one of those "overgrown children" ... and I'm okay with it. College football in general and Michigan football in particular is something I take great enjoyment from. Some of my favorite memories are of enjoying a Michigan football game in the company of friends who share my enthusiasm. I have friends who are equally enthusiastic about other teams. There can be -- and often is -- great camaraderie between rival fans. The sport ... the pageantry ... the atmosphere of college football is to me and many others a thing of great beauty. Here's the difference between you and me, though -- there are many things in this world for which I find no attraction, and for which I confess I harbor some contempt as well. But I don't go to their websites and troll. If that's their thing, then great ... have at it. Have a nice day. As for me, I'll enjoy Michigan football whether you type your words or not.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 2:57 p.m.

Bipity Bopity

Blue Marker

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 1:23 p.m.

Former players often speak without thought. The real story here (if you can call it that) is OSU has the coach they want and UM has who they want. Let's see who chose wisely. Honestly I think both schools have done well for themselves. This fall in C-bus should set up as one of the most anticipated match ups in a long time. Thank God "The Game" is back!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 1:54 p.m.

I think both chose wisely, which is what makes the rivalry so interesting again.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 1:48 p.m.

+1 ... that's right. Issue is the distractions have been swept aside and the focus has returned to the rivalry and the game.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 12:11 p.m.

lloyd brady!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 3:53 p.m.

YES that was the first thing I noticed too. It's smart to have a pic of him to get more clicks from the MGoCommunity. Well played, aa . com, well played


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 12:49 p.m.

The cameras love Lloyd. Or he loves photobombing. Where is Facepalm Guy?


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 11:34 a.m.

Not to mention Blue can do it without cheating...


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 11:30 p.m. when Michigan cheats and gets put on probation, that doesn't really count as cheating because...?

Nathan Parke

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 7:08 p.m.

Wow you Buckeyes still dont get it? It wasnt the selling and trading that make you cheaters. Its the lying and covering up to keep your best players on the field thats cheating. Also, a grad assitant being at 7 on 7 workouts isnt exactly a competitive advantage.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 6:19 p.m.

5 Buckeyes selling some crap for money and tattoos would be breaking the rules. I wouldn't call it cheating as it DOES NOT effect anything on the field. Michigan practicing more than their alloted 20 hours a week would also be breaking the rules. Does that effect anything on the field....YES! Rich Rod promoted cheating. And the Wolverines still couldn't manage to win The Game in 2008 or 2009. Hoke will do better.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:18 p.m.

Actually, Michigan is currently under NCAA probation...


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 2:32 p.m.

That's right! Just like they did with the Fab Five!!!!!!! oh wait... they cheated and still didn't win sorry I had it all mixed up lol

Mr. Me

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 10:57 a.m.

Would have reprinted this comment -- in the headline even -- if Everitt had said Michigan was going to "rape" Ohio State, or "murder" Ohio State? Torture is a crime against humanity, and very unlike the honorable hard hits you expect from good football. Very unfortunate choice of words.


Wed, May 23, 2012 : 1:47 a.m.

Go blue


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 10:57 p.m.

There appears to be a common thread in the various posts for the various football articles...anyone who beats Michigan apparently cheats. Hmmm...


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 9:32 p.m.

I get it: be politically correct (at ALL times).


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 7:10 p.m.

@Mr DonZ. I like sports...I'm a sports fan...not just SEC (or Big 10) fan. I prefer the SEC as that's where I went for my bachelor's. Loyalty to your Alma Mater and home conference is a good thing, whether it be SEC, Big10, or even the poor ACC :-) I'm also an American and believe in free speech. I don't get angry just because someone else's opinion is different than mine - now I might have sympathy for the poor mis-guided Big10 folk (that's a joke, ok!) and I might try to point out "facts" that I believe some people choose to ignore, but I don't get angry about it. It's sports and a little competition and ribbing is nothing to get overly excited about. I see a great deal of this from Big 10, and especially Michigan, fans on this site. It's OK. Again, nothing to get upset about...


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 4:43 p.m.

I find many of the Big 10 posts "torturing"...doesn't make it a crime against humanity...although it should be :-)


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 2:31 p.m.

DonAZ for the win!!


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 1:46 p.m.

"... demanded precise use of language and careful, analytical arguments, or they'd rip you apart." Recognize that use of aggressive language? You should. That's you. "Rip apart" is a gruesome phrase, suggestive of the very torture you expressed such exquisite sensitivity to above. That is YOUR characterization of the reaction of teachers and professors to improper grammar. That is NOT their quote. You seem prone to the same kind of aggressive hyperbole that you decry from Everitt. URL:


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 12:34 p.m.

The rivalry is there Mr. Me. The passion, the hatred, the disgust for one another is mutual. Michigan hates Ohio and Ohio hates Michigan. It is what it is. It's the biggest rivalry in college football. Anything less would be a disgrace to the rivalry. We talk smack all year round, but these battles are played on the football field. Hoke renewed the rivalry intensity and everyone knows it. This is Michigan football. Bo Schembechler knew the intensity as well. Stop being so sensitive.

Ted Bundy

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 12:32 p.m.

Will you please take a deep breath? Everything is gonna be 'ok'.


Tue, May 22, 2012 : 12:20 p.m.

take it down a notch, dude.

Paul R Lamse

Tue, May 22, 2012 : 11:29 a.m.

And "Mr Me" is a good choice for a post name? Quite a team player, Huh? It's football rivalry jargon. Chill a little. If you don't understand something, better not to comment. Peace! Go Blue!