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Posted on Tue, May 25, 2010 : 6:02 a.m.

6 Saline students criminally charged in playground attack

By Art Aisner

Washtenaw County prosecutors have criminally charged six Saline elementary school students accused of assaulting a classmate during a planned playground attack last month.

Assistant Prosecutor Don Ray, who heads the office’s juvenile division, confirmed six petitions for charges of assault and battery and assault with a dangerous weapon were filed against the Heritage School sixth-graders in Washtenaw County Juvenile Court on Monday.

Two 12-year-old boys and one 11-year-old boy were also charged with conspiracy for allegedly discussing the late-morning assault during their lunch hour on April 20.

The boys are accused of using their shoes as dangerous weapons as they kicked the 11-year-old victim in the neck, back and head.

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The Saline Police Department has been investigating the April assault at Heritage Elementary School.

Art Aisner | For AnnArbor.com

The charges are considered felony offenses and would be treated as such if the defendants were adults. But because minors are involved, the cases will be handled as delinquency charges, Ray said. 

If convicted, juvenile court referees will have discretion to impose penalties ranging from probation and fines to juvenile detention. As in any other juvenile delinquency cases, much depends on the facts of the case and circumstances of each person involved, Ray added.

“The court has a vast amount of discretion here to do some things like considering the charges as misdemeanors or felonies,” Ray said. “The case goes through the court in the same manner of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but there is a splitting hairs distinction.”

A juvenile court referee will review the petitions before court proceedings begin, officials said. The process could take from a few days up to a couple weeks.

Ann Arbor defense attorney Dan Geherin, who represents one of the accused boys, said he and his client’s family are concerned by the criminal charges. But he declined to speak any further about the case without reviewing all the evidence.

“The family is very anxious and very worried, but we will have to wait and see the evidence in order to defend him in court,” Geherin said.

Saline police said they determined the incident began when one of the accused boys pulled the headband off of the victim’s head and wouldn’t give it back, reports said.

The victim was surrounded on a soccer field, pushed to the ground, and was repeatedly kicked by several boys. He was taken to the hospital by ambulance after he blacked out and suffered what appeared to be a seizure during the assault, reports said. He was released from the University of Michigan Medical Center later that day.

Statements made to police indicate there were prior incidents of teasing or verbal harassment between the boys.

An adult volunteer supervising the playground at the time did not see the assault but intervened after realizing the boy was on the ground and was likely injured. The school district disciplined all seven students believed to be involved in the attack, officials said without elaborating.

Prosecutors denied a request for charges against a seventh student because investigators could not corroborate his involvement, police said.

“We did a thorough investigation, turned over the information to the prosecutor’s office, and the case will go forward from there,” Saline Police Chief Paul Bunten said.

Last week, the district hosted a forum on school security and race issues that have surfaced since the incident. The victim and one of the alleged assailants are black, but school and police officials say they don't believe race was an overriding factor in the assault.

Art Aisner is a freelance writer for AnnArbor.com. Reach the news desk at news@annarbor.com or 723-623-2530.

Comments

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

Sat, Jun 5, 2010 : 6:40 a.m.

And let's not forget that various 'fights' occur at schools almost everyday across the entire county. What separates this event from a lunch line push-and-shove is that a student went to the hospital. Had that student not gone to the hospital, I doubt police would have been called, I doubt the newspapers would have reported it and I doubt we would all be reading this comment. Love your neighbor. Forgive and forget. But those fighting need some serious discipline. At worst, the schools will now: Not call the hospital in an effort to avoid 'making waves'. And Lorie is right on with her comment about a pocket knife vs. kicking in the head.

Just me

Wed, Jun 2, 2010 : 7:01 a.m.

I completely understand your point of view on keeping our children safe. I still have one son in the schools. But I was talking in general about students not the ones who did this. It is up to the judge to decide what will happen. Expelling them till the end of the year or other placement is a option. But first you need to look at all sides. We as adults make mistakes and you have to remember they are still children. They still have a right to a education. Wherever it may be.

SalineMom

Tue, Jun 1, 2010 : 8:37 p.m.

@lorie Thank you again for reviewing all the facts, testimony and statements from those involved and being the judge and jury in this situation. I guess the review and punishment that SAS administration handed out was not to your satisfaction. I will pass judgement when the real judge does, but I'm guessing juvinile court records may not be unsealed.

pseudo

Tue, Jun 1, 2010 : 4:54 p.m.

While I appreciate the argument that kids might be rewarded when kicked out of school, or that they might be put on some wrong road to under-education because they are expelled - this is true but I believe the school needs to provide a safe environment for the kids that are there and haven't violently attacked another kid. That means kicking those who violently attack another kid. Further, this is the end of the year, a time for parties and lunches and being outside. These kids, those who violently attacked another kid, these kids should be expelled - schooled at home or someplace out of the general population. If that means doing their school work in the guidance or administrative office, so be it but they sure shouldn't be in a position to intimidate or hurt other kids. Get 'em out.

Just me

Tue, Jun 1, 2010 : 3:58 p.m.

Zero Tolerance is not across the board when you are talking about the school. They pick and choose who they will enforce that on. Believe me I have seen and my children have been through worse. Yet the student is back at school. To be honest though I don't believe Zero Tolerance is the answer. To kick a kid out of school is in some cases giving them a reward. Just push them aside so you don't have to deal with it. How is it going to teach them anything? If the parents are working and there are no consequences other then keeping them out of school, what are they going to learn from it.? If our children mess up they are grounded etc and it is enforced to make it so they don't have fun. Then we sit down and discuss it with them and they need to work for their privilages. Something needs to change with how the schools are disciplining these kids. Community service, work etc. It has proven time and time again this Zero Tolerance is not working. How is expelling these children going to make them better people? I believe they need consequences but still need to attend A School. Otherwise down the road they will be the ones who are always in trouble due to the system gave up on them. Lets all think about this if it was your child. Right, wrong or indifferent. There has to be another way to handle these situations.

YPboyWRheart

Tue, Jun 1, 2010 : 11:39 a.m.

What happened to zero tolerance in Saline? How can they still be in school? Money KIds.

Blue

Sat, May 29, 2010 : 4 a.m.

How right you are Mike from Saline! As soon as djm12652 was called out- their name calling post was gone! Hmmm....Who deleted that? The only point I was trying to make is that these kids and their parents have been already judged in this court of public opinion. Things are not always as they are said to be. In the absence of witnessing this fight, we do not know exactly what occured. No one disagrees that the responsible parties involved need to face what they have done and take their punishment. But only the ones responsible....

mike from saline

Fri, May 28, 2010 : 2:39 p.m.

Note to "Really??. Good observation. Note to Stephanie. You wrote, "It's so easy to accuse people of being racist, and so difficult to deffend". I think you're half right. It just takes the will and courage to do so. Once you start standing up, and calling them out, you'll see how quickly and quietly they dissapear. A good case in point is "Annarborfan".

Blue

Thu, May 27, 2010 : 5:58 p.m.

djm12652 - "alleged mini-perps" "baby thug bully" Comments on parents you know nothing about. "calling people names is a no no."

Really??

Thu, May 27, 2010 : 11:23 a.m.

@annarborfan....Being a person of color, and living in Saline, you make it sound like it is a big problem. It is no more a problem in Saline then it is in other places. If you think that they dont have the same problem in Ann Arbor, you are wrong. Ann Arbor is just a bigger city...and Rumors dont travel as fast.

mike from saline

Thu, May 27, 2010 : 12:46 a.m.

I'm BACK!! and better than ever!

mike from saline

Thu, May 27, 2010 : 12:38 a.m.

@annarborfan, If you realy are a fan of Ann Arbor, and you hold Saline in such low regard, why would you choose to live in Saline? Ann arbor is only 8 miles away. Do you still live with mom and dad? Did you loose your drivers licence, and have to walk to your job at "Goofy's Car Wash"? Just wondering.

mike from saline

Thu, May 27, 2010 : 12:06 a.m.

After reading the last few posted comments, I have to assume that A2.com has tossed their moderation guidlines out the window. Note to Tony Dearing: I rest my case!

mike from saline

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:37 p.m.

@ annarbofan, You wrote, "I live in Saline--School& police officals have blinders on if they believe race is not a factor. Saline is a WHITE community"! And your point is? Could you tie that all together for us? Take it to it's logical conclusion?

annarborfan

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 2:56 p.m.

School and police officials say they don't believe race was an overriding factor in the assault I live in Saline -- School & police officials have blinders on if they believe race is not a factor. Saline is a WHITE community.

djm12652

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 2:28 p.m.

@Blue, by classifying people posting here as judgemental, without all the facts, does indeed make you judgemental. People are allowed to voice their opinions and should do so without being verbally slammed. I'm suprised the moderator allowed your post. Calling people names is a no-no.

Jessica

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 12:58 p.m.

I am so sorry for all the families involved. I hope that justice is served and the children all get help and realize what they did was wrong no matter what provocted them. I have 3 young children in Saline schools now and I only hope that they never have to deal with such abuse. It scares me to think my child could be hurt by someone on the playground, in the classroom or on the bus and supervision would not be there to prevent this from happening. I pray for our children!

Blue

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 12:56 p.m.

Has it occured to any of you perfect people that this story may not have been accurately reported? Reading some of your posts is a little creepy. So judgmental - you all have the facts and know just what should be done here. I can only hope that when your perfect child is accused of something - you'll be the first to condemn them whether you know the truth or not. It scares me that you are raising kids - who might grow up to be judgemental adults just like you! There's more to this than meet the eye - what haven't we been told? 12 year-olds and conspiracy? This is almost laughable. Wake up!

Mick52

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 12:46 p.m.

Justme, I am sorry about what happened to your son. You do not have to rely on the school to handle as assault, you can call the police yourself and ask the police to file a report to the prosecutor's office. Schools often keep things like this quiet to make the school look safe.

Just me

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:46 a.m.

Mike AA AMEN!!!! I hear you and clear... people need to start looking in the mirror at what examples they are setting for their children.

Just me

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:43 a.m.

I also would like to tell you all that last year my 16 yr old was punched in the eye for not giving up his seat on the bus. He did defend himself but came home very upset and had a severe black eye. My son never had problems before. Just this kid decided he wanted his seat and used agression. I asked the school to handle it and didn't hear anything about charges being made. The problem is it needs to be across the board with every incident. A fist is a weapon yet this kid was able to get away with it. We need to have consistency with our children at school and home. So that they understand it is not going to be tolerated.

MikeAA

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:37 a.m.

Oh and one other thing, those of you adults who are saying kids need to respect each other, ask yourself how they observe you treating other adults.

Just me

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:35 a.m.

There seems to be alot of assuming on the part of some of the comments. I would have to say that my son was called everything in the book, sexual, swearing, retard you name it and it took place in Saline. His years of bullying didn't need to happen as they did. He was harrassed, assulted, ridiculed etc. A number of times we wanted to press charges but nothing was done to assist us. As far as race goes lets be for real. Why is it such a big thing if the student is black. But yet other races have the same thing happen to them. Children with special needs get it all the time. But you don't see a right up on it. Yet they are in most cases defenseless toward their attackers. I don't care what color the student is. This is about a human being being attacked. It is just a shame that it took so long for someone to get through and finally make a point about it. To this day my son who is 18 cannot hang out in Saline without someone commenting to him about things in the past and upsetting him. This is not just a SALINE thing. It is a Global thing. I enjoy living in Saline and have lived in other areas. It happens all over. Matter of Fact when we lived in Saline my son was 10 and jumped on the playground by 4 black kids but nothing was done. But that wasn't racially motivated. My friends son was beat to a pulp in monroe by 3 teens he was 16 and nothing was heard about it. We need to stop pulling the race card and just admit it is everywhere to everyone. Instead in Lansing they are trying to pass a stricter bullying law lets all support that. Children are committing suicide due to this. Our children need us to help them become successful adults. It starts at home and then we as a community need to stand up and be aware and do what needs to be done to help.

MikeAA

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 11:35 a.m.

In my day, kids would gang up on bullies to show them a thing or two, and the supervisors let it happen, within reason, as it was absolutely necessary for this self-policing mechanism to occur. Nobody should obviously be beaten within an inch of their life, but still, this is the way kids will, and frankly, should respond to kids who bully them. Not saying the victim was one, but its an important part of the equation here. The idea that the criminal justice system is going to offer improvements on this is a joke.

pseudo

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 10:48 a.m.

I think it is important that the legal charges go ahead in due course. I think it is equally important that those who have the authority to do so, expel these the attackers now. Out of the school. The school has an obligation to protect is students even from other students. This is separate from the legal proceedings. Clearly these kids have attacked someone already and may be dangerous to others and/or intimidate other kids. It is appalling that they were allowed to return to the school.

Really??

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 10:45 a.m.

Saline mom, I totally agree...most of this talk is bus stop talk. WE don't even have all of the facts, we have what others have chosen to "tell" us about this incident. And Really Emu2009-"it appears their parents can't or won't do it" (punishment) I assume that you know all of the kids and parents, and you know for a fact that they all did nothing?? Even good parents, don't have perfect children...Hopefully these kids did learn something, but it does not mean the kids who watched(or talked) about the fight are horrible kids, with horrible parents. This is how stories get so blown out of proportion, by people that do not have all of the facts running their mouths. You see where I am going with this? We all have no idea what really happened....except that there was a playground fight. We have not seen a police report or Doctors report, so how can you pass so many judgments...with out knowing the facts? And Really?? with the race issue? I am a minority that lives in saline....Not everything that happens is because of color....I am not complaining that I should get a reparation check because my relatives(whom I never even knew) were slaves, Maybe things happen because of the way you act or represent yourself or because maybe the other person is just an idiot. If somone is rude to me, I dont think hmmm, it must be because I'm black...I think, wow they have issues...

Eileen Peck

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 9:45 a.m.

@SalineMom, Having an epileptic in our house, I can say with absolute certainty that I know a grand mal seizure when I see one. I can also say that five minutes after the seizure has finished, I'd be hard pressed to prove that one ever took place.

emu2009

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 5:36 a.m.

If you have been following this story all along and had the chance to read the posted comment by the victim's father you would then see that this did have to do with race. The child was called "slave" and harassed in other ways. My husband and I have made an interesting observation since Obama ran for president and took office, people are no longer hiding their racism. For some reason people think its ok to spout off racial comments and opinions. Perhaps this has spilled over to these children from their parents. As for the bullying aspect, that is not something just isolated to Saline schools. My children are in Lincoln schools and just two days ago my son was choked on his bus because someone wanted his assigned seat. This didn't happen while the driver was distracted by driving, this happened while parked in the lot for loading. The point being that the adults who are charged with supervising our kids need to take their jobs more seriously. There should be consequences for the adults who don't. As for the charges brought against these kids, I say GOOD! They should be held accountable for their actions and unfortunately it appears their parents can't or won't do it, so fine let society handle it, isn't that how most lazy parents do it? I hope that this serves as an early intervention and these kids are able to learn from this and go on to be successful adults.

15crown00

Wed, May 26, 2010 : 12:11 a.m.

No need to be PC here.These kids need to be taught a lesson they will never forget.Did they show the victim any mercy?Well they don't deserve any either.

Anonymous Due to Bigotry

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 11:29 p.m.

The family is very anxious and very worried, but we will have to wait and see the evidence in order to defend him in court, Geherin said. "The family" wouldn't be anxious if they had taught their kids not to kick people in the head until the victim has a seizure. If anything they need to stop talking about how worried they are and start denouncing their kids' behavior and talking about how they'll be disciplining them as parents. The stuff about "oh, I'm so anxious and worried" makes it sound like they have nothing to say on the matter except that they hope their kids won't face any substantial consequences. At the very least the kids need to be expelled as the attack is clear evidence that they pose a danger to other students. As lorie mentioned, bringing a small pocket knife to school with no violent intent will get you expelled, but kicking someone in the head until they're hospitalized apparently won't. It's absolutely insane! More evidence of teachers trying to coddle students and socially engineer society using unproven speculative methods. I'm glad that the criminal justice system will do something because the school system obviously won't.

fd2009

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:30 p.m.

I recall earlier in the school year. There was an incidence involving Skyline High School students. In that incidence, a group of kids also attacked a single victim. It was reported later that both the victim and the attackers were charged. Can AnnArbor.com provide an update to the Skyline incident and also compare the two incidents?

stephanie

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:25 p.m.

Is there any chance the kid was assaulted because the kids who did it are just plain mean kids. Does this really mean it was racially motivated? It's gotten to the point in Ann Arbor where you have to be so nice to foreigners because if you aren't they accuse you of racism. It never occurs to them that some of them, just like white people, are obnoxious. It's so easy to accuse people of being racist and so difficult to defend.

John Hritz

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 5:26 p.m.

These sorts of charges invite ridicule. The absence of shoes does not change whether it was an assault. You can't conclude that kids should be denied shoes as a remedy. "The boys are accused of using their shoes as dangerous weapons as they kicked the 11-year-old victim in the neck, back and head."

djacks24

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 5:04 p.m.

@PBQueen and others that think this is a race issue. I grew up and graduated from Saline back in the late 80s before everything got so racial sensitive. Back then there were roughly 3 black students. Now you would think that with them being such a minority they would have felt targeted all the time. Two of these students were really popular well-adjusted individuals and the third was talked about and ignored. The difference in these students...MONEY. Yes the poor black student was indeed the outcast. Now where the Saline stereotyes really lie is in how much money you have. If you lived in Travis Pointe or any of the other well to do neighborhoods you were given a golden ticket. however if you were middle class or poor, then you really either had to be extremely smart, athletic, attractive, or "special" to be accepted in to the cool kids club. Otherwise you would wind up unconscious on the playground like this kid did. So Saline does not discriminate by skin color, but they do by how full your parents wallet happens to be. At the same time, if this crime had involved black kids kicking the crap out of one white kid yelling "honky", "cracker", etc..Then race would not have even been brought up. BTW one of the assailants was black.

bedrog

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 4:36 p.m.

@mike...well, if the anecdotes are true an antidote is needed. maybe if everyone were required to learn the discipline involved in good fiddling none of this would have happened.

rosewater

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 4:25 p.m.

I'm putting the blame on the parents and the kids. By the sixth grade, your kids should know right from wrong. Very few parents know what their kids are doing at school, after school, who they're hanging out with and what social network they use.

mike from saline

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 2:46 p.m.

@bedrog "While not a Saline resident, and only knowing what I've read here this is an appalling incident and seems from comments, to be not isolated in Saline". A little advice. Form your opinion on the known facts in this case, not COMMENTS, not un-verifiable stories and antidots you read here. Like a bad mariage, their are always 3 sides to every story. His side, her side, and the truth. I'm guessing that this is probably the way this one's going to turn out. I could be wrong, but, like this case, It would be considered an isolated incident. How about we just wait and see. As for Saline, we are wonderful! I can testify to that. We realy are just like those Saline fiddlers. All of us! Even old guys like my- self [minus the cowboy hats, perkyness, musical ability, teen angst, and pimples], were just like them! Honest.

stunhsif

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 2:17 p.m.

@mike from Saline, excellent last posting. I graduated saline in 77, had one kid graduate saline in 05, another in 08, one that is currently a sophmore and one who is not yet in school. Saline Schools have very few incidents like what happened here. Many of these posts make Saline look like the hotbed of racial violence and intolerance. If Saline has issues and problems then I hate to think what it is like elsewhere in this area. There is not another public school in this county that has the safety record that Saline does, period! People move to Saline just to put their kids in one of the best and safest in the entire state but reading the posts here you would think there were riots in the streets. What these kids did was horrendous and they will be dealt with, hopefully with more than a slap on the behind. I think many many hours of community service would be appropriate. Perhaps have them clean the bathrooms in all the schools for several months. That would set them straight!

KeepingItReal

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 1:59 p.m.

mike from saline: IK recall reading in the original and subsequent articles that a racial slur word was used toward the victim before and during the commission of the assault. In ethnic intimidation cases that I have read about, the use of a racial slur word to denigrate the victim is a key element in the act. The fact that one of the perps was black does not diminish or eliminate this element. He could have easily have been afraid for his safety (intimidation) if he did not participate in the act. One way of looking at this is to accept the fact that the demographics of Saline not to mention our state and nation is changing and perhaps this will serve as a "teachable moment" for young people to realize that you can't beat people up just because.

mike from saline

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 1:26 p.m.

Wow! 13 posted comments before "race" is suggested as the reason for this school yard incident. I went back and read the article again, to see if maybe, I had mis- sed something [I had not]. The only mention of "race" was at the end. "The victim and one of the alleged assailants are black, but school, and Police officials don't believe race was an overiding factor in the assault". That's what it say's! That's ALL that it say's. Not only that, but This is, OLD NEWS. If you have evidence that this "assault" was racially motivated, please share that with us, [or better yet, call the Washtenaw County Prosecuters office]. Is that fair? Where am I wrong? PBQUEEN; You wrote, "Saline residents [and others] believe that somehow we are post-racism". Realy now! How do you know that? Do you have a "special gift" that gives you the ability to determine what the residents of a Small City like Saline believe about anything? Do these cognative powers extend to other communities, or is your expertise limited to Saline, and [maybe] Washtenaw County? Can you give us some more examples, or, are you one of those people [as I suspect] who see racism every- where? Lurking in every closet? hideing under every leaf? PBQUEEN: You also wrote, "Yet I here story after terrible about how minority students are treated by their peers". Once again I've got to say Realy? Would you be so kind as to share some of these stories with us, and how they're relevent to the inc- ident in Saline? And by stories, I don't mean a bunch of un-verifi- able antidote's.

CountyKate

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 12:16 p.m.

Bullying has always been a part of school life, more's the pity, and it can be for any reason. Only recently, however, have authorities come to realize it can be traumatic, life-changing and needs to be dealt with. That said, though, this surpasses bullying. This is flat-out assault and it doesn't matter if the victim went to the hospital, had a seizure or whatever. The fact that it happened at all is the crime. No seems to be disputing that it did, indeed, occur and that the victim was physically hurt. I do have a question, though. The stories say the supervisor did not see the assault. I want to know how many supervisors were on the playground and what the ratio is of supervisors per so-many students. Because it appears there weren't enough adult eyes on that playground.

BeckablesA2

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 12:15 p.m.

I'm glad to see these "children" being held accountable..there are far too many teachers and parents who just sweep bad behavior under the rug and shrug it off as..."oh they will grow up one day" or "they are just kids being kids".

bedrog

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 10:06 a.m.

while not a saline resident, and only knowing what i've read here this is an appalling incident and seems, from comments, to be not isolated in saline... but im trying to get my head around the contradiction between the apparent problems re. lack of supervision and the fact that the saline schools seem so ahead of the pack in terms of extraordinary special programs, like the amazing fiddlers one...

Just me

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 9:03 a.m.

I have to agree that PBqueen. Fact is it isn't just with colors. It is with any child that stands out and is different. My son has a disability and the kids knew how to push his buttons. Children live what they learn and see in their environment. Adults are the ones who need to set the example. If they know of their child treating others with disrespect etc. It is their job to teach them the right way and there is nothing wrong with consequences no matter how difficult it may be for the adult to follow through. Our children need discipline and guidance. If we don't do it who will? My boys are teenagers and I still need to keep a handle on what is going on in their lives. If it means I stay home because they are grounded or bring them with me, so be it. I know we all have busy lives but it needs to start at home with our children.

PBQUEEN

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:43 a.m.

Would it make everyone happy if we agreed on the language "the 11-year-old boy suffered seizure-like symptoms and briefly lost consciousness"? The fact remains that a group of students kicked this child as he lay helpless on the ground. Let us not squabble over the minutia. Saline residents (and others) believe that somehow we are post-racism, yet I hear story after terrible story about how minority students are treated by their peers. What happened to sensitivity training for students AND teachers? We can pretend that we are all color-blind and that the U.S. is so advanced because we have a black president, but it's just that - something we make up to make ourselves feel better. The reality is that our children are treated differently if their skin is a darker shade than their peers, and it's not just in Saline. I am an Ann Arbor parent, and believe me, city boundaries make no difference.

SalineMom

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:30 a.m.

@Zulu It is not defensive; I think the kids (and parents) should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. What I dont like is someone posting he had when the report states it appeared. Even your comment "he had to be hospitalized". Did he? Or was it precautionary on part of the medical responders? The facts will come out and I believe that many of the facts are being whipped up by bus stop talk and rumor.

Just me

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:27 a.m.

This sickens me. I have a son who is 18 now and most of his time in Saline schools resulted in bullying being punched etc. It is about time they are taking steps to teach these children that it is not ok to treat others that way. It is just a shame a student had to endure such cruelty. No matter what anyone says it has lasting effects on a child. Another point is SUPERVISION!!! It is the schools responsibility and obligation to make sure out children are safe while in their care. I believe that the adult in this matter should also have consequences. I am also a childcare provider and cannot even comprehend how a adult would not have seen this happening. Accountability needs to be across the board. If this student has had previous attempts of bullying maybe they should have taken extra precautions to keep a extra eye on him. Believe me my son was knocked out among other things and no charges were made against the student and it was caught on tape. The parents need to press charges and take it to another level to waken up people that our children need to respect each other. Bullying will not stop unless us as adults put a end to it. My heart goes out to the family of the child who was abused.

KeepingItReal

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:17 a.m.

SalineMom: Please get past your defensive posture and accept the fact that this youngster was physical assaulted to the point that he had to be hospitalized. The police report indicated that he suffered what appeared to be a seizure after passing out from the attack. Think about it. If this was your kid, would you be questioning whether the kid suffered a seizure or not or would you be intent on making sure that the attackers are appropriately dealt with?

treetowntenor

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 8:14 a.m.

@SalineMom - re-read the 12th paragraph: "He was taken to the hospital by ambulance after he blacked out and suffered what appeared to be a seizure during the assault, reports said." Perhaps Art Aisner, the article's author, could comment on what specific reports mentioned the apparent seizure.

John

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 7:49 a.m.

I was a teacher for some time. There are parts of this story lacking. where was the supervision? did this happen during school hours? if discussed during lunch did this occur right after or just at a later date? did the school hold the adult supervisor responsible? are the parents suing the district? what injuries did the child sustain?

glimmertwin

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 7:42 a.m.

This is a tough one. On one hand they are old enough to allegedly conspire and plan an assault. On the other hand, they are so young. Let's hope that this is a wakeup call for all involved and they can get it together before they are too old to be lost causes. The comment about the knife - very good point. Sometimes laws just don't make complete sense and there is no way that laws could be written and enforced to define every possible scenario. There has to be a line drawn somewhere - if these kids were expelled the spin would be too excessive. Since they weren't, it's not excessive enough. Let's just hope the juvenile court can sort this out and get these kids on the right track.

SalineMom

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 7:16 a.m.

@lorie "...these kids have attacked a kid and beat him so badly he had a seizure and was taken to the hospital." Please provide your evidence that he had a seizure...you've read the medical reports?, the police reports?...you are sensationalizing without knowing all the facts. Yes, the kids should be punished, but only the judge will likely know all the facts.

braggslaw

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 6:41 a.m.

The kids should be severely punished by their parents and by the school. As long as the criminal charges can be wiped after a few years, I don't have a problem with criminal prosecution. The kids will have a chance to clean their records with good behavior and it will not effect their adult lives.

pseudo

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 6:35 a.m.

I stand by my earlier comments in the previous article. I am appalled that these kids with such a violent series of actions, are back in school. A kid brings a pocket knife to school, does nothing and is expelled by law...these kids have attacked a kid and beat him so badly he had a seizure and was taken to the hospital. Expelling them or at least schooling them out of the general student population is the least this school system should do to keep the rest of the kids safe.

vg550

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 6:27 a.m.

They should be disciplined ~ they need to be held responsible for their actions. If not now, it's pretty scary to think of what might happen in the future. Should have learned before this...that for every action, there is a re-action.

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

Tue, May 25, 2010 : 5:52 a.m.

Lessons all around. - All will grow and mature with this incident. I would hope that all parents of school children clearly discuss these events with their kids.