Posted on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 12:55 p.m.
Rick Snyder recall at halfway point in timetable; Arbor Hospice unveils new mural
By Cindy Heflin
Here's a sampling of links to news about the Ann Arbor area in other media:
- Detroit Free Press: Committee to recall Gov. Snyder in countdown to get 800,000 good names
- Ann Arbor Journal: Arbor Hospice unveils mural to comfort kids handling heavy issues (with video)
- Chelsea Standard: New director hired in Recreation overhaul
- Chelsea Standard: Chelsea State Bank beefs up security after debit card fraud
- WDIV: 2012 Trial For Mich. Man Accused Of Abuse In Haiti
Here's what people are clicking on at AnnArbor.com:
- The DTE outage map in the entry: Heavy storms knock out power to 1,000 DTE customers in Washtenaw County
- The Envolve Clothing website in the entry: Online T-shirt companies eye expansions as competition intensifies in Ann Arbor area clothing sales market
- The Humane Society of Huron Valley website in the entry: Leaving a pet in a hot car can prove to be a deadly situation
Comments
Gorc
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:24 p.m.
Ghost - you are still avoiding the question. Buddies, business buddies, individuals, or whatever other term you want to use to describe a group of people you feel are receiving improper tax relief, give a name of a person or a name of a business. Or is the truth your are just anti-business?
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Thu, Jul 7, 2011 : 10:50 p.m.
You two ought to create a comedy routine--a modern Abbott and Costello. And since you apparently do not recognize sarcasm, let me be clear: I am not anti-business. But I do think that *shared* sacrifice ought actually be *shared*. The governor, in his ultimate wisdom, has seen fit to give $1.8 billion in tax breaks at a time that the state is cash strapped. Fine. That's a policy decision. But only lemmings think that the sacrifice is being shared. And, for the record, my property taxes went down this year, and like all Michiganders, my income tax rate has gone down this year. And none of his cuts has had any impact on me. I'm not being asked to sacrifice, either. Shared sacrifice must be . . . . wait for it . . . . . SHARED. Good Night and Good Luck
Gorc
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 10:30 a.m.
You are entitled to be anti-business. But as snapshot pointed out business were being doubled taxed and this was not helping existing Michigan business's grow or attracting new business to Michigan. It's to early if this strategy has been effective, but it's better than the status quo of doing the same old ineffective ways. Remember, most jobs are created by small business, not large corporations or the government. I hope and believe, in time, making our state a more business friendly state will only help our economy grow and create more jobs. Good Night and see ya at the next topic
snapshot
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 4:27 a.m.
Good Grief Ghost, you are practicing "McCarthyism" rather than fighting it...the "small" businesses that benefit from Snyders tax overhaul were being "double" taxed for their entrepreneurial efforts. OK to not tax pensions but OK to double tax the hardworking businessman. Talk about destroying the middle class. Part of me hopes the recall efforts succeed so its supporters can economically crush themselves under their own dead weight.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 1:04 a.m.
Yes, because I think businesses ought be taxed, because I think shared sacrifice ought be . . . wait for it . . . SHARED, I must be anti-business. Conservalogic. Good Night and Good Luck
Gorc
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:05 p.m.
Folks who sign that petition are unwilling to make any sacrifices needed to help improve our State's financial well being.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 6:08 p.m.
"Your beef is the shifting of some tax funding to the general public. It may seem unfair but the general public doesn't create jobs" Pure myth. Mott hospital is hiring 500. Those are government created jobs. The construction of the new Mott employed hundreds (and created thousands in companies that supplied and supported. Those are government-created jobs. The people at Newport News Shipyards, where the Gerald Ford is being built, will be very interested to hear that the public sector does not create jobs. I could go on and on and on and on . . . "The public sector does not create jobs": Conservative mantra and one of the dumbest things ever said or written. Good Night and Good Luck
grye
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 5:23 p.m.
Ghost: Snyder changed the tax code to eliminate double taxation of small businesses and simiplify the business tax code. As a businessman, his intentions were to help stimulate the economy by creating a business friendly atmosphere. He didn't make these changes to benefit any one individual but to entice businesses to come to Michigan and to help new businesses start. Your beef is the shifting of some tax funding to the general public. It may seem unfair but the general public doesn't create jobs, businesses create jobs. If taxing businesses seems to be the more fair way for you, then explain how this will boost the economy and create jobs.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 1:48 p.m.
And, by the way, none of this changes my basic point. The "sacrifice" is not being shared. But "shared sacrifice" sure sounds nice, doesn't it? Good Night and Good Luck
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 1:02 p.m.
Oh? So you've change the question from "Name one buddy or one business" to "name one buddy". Yes, "business buddies" is a bit of the pejorative. I'm certain that Mr. Snyder knows no one who will benefit from the tax cut. So instead of "business buddies" insert: "fellow businessmen who wish to return our state and our nation to the Gilded Age". There. Does that work for ya? Good Night and Good Luck
Gorc
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:28 p.m.
Ghost - I know about the change in the Michigan Business Tax. Again...name one buddy or one business he gave financial favors to.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:26 p.m.
Correction: $1.5 billion Good Night and Good Luck
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:23 p.m.
gorc: He and his rubber-stamp legislature gave a $1.8 billion tax break to Michigan businesses. If you don't know this, you are ill-informed. I'm all for Snyder's "shared sacrifice" mantra, which some people like to unthinkingly repeat. The problem is that the sacrifice is not being shared. Good Night and Good Luck
Gorc
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:12 p.m.
Ghost - Name one buddy or one business that you believe Governor Snyder is giving financial favors to.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:09 p.m.
Gee, that kind of makes 'em like Snyder's business buddies who got a $1.8 billion tax break. Good Night and Good Luck
walker101
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:44 a.m.
"I see a lot on improvement in our US economy" Really? Can you elaborate? Please tell me how we are better off today than we were 2 years ago, does the left have a better option? Please elaborate or will you wait till after the recall what your plans will be? Or is it maybe you have no plans just complaints? Everyone on the left is too busy hating the republicans and yet have no solutions or are they too secretive and mind blowing solutions that they can't be revealed? Anyone please step forward and reveal what the left or any other political organization has to offer other than complaints and how they hate republicans, no rhetoric please.
walker101
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:44 p.m.
Unfortunately we have no one, with all sides disagreeing with each other and virtually nothing being done it's just a matter of time before the US collapses financially and as a leader of nations. Many of our government agencies from Social Security, Medicare, Freddy Mac, Post Office will all fail within a few years and yet we continue to support other countries to re build their infrastructure with our tax revenue in billions and yet they despise America and our culture and we continuously support them with no regard to our citizens that are barley making a living. It's depressing.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:04 p.m.
"Everyone on the left is too busy hating the republicans and yet have no solutions or are they too secretive and mind blowing solutions that they can't be revealed?" *and* "Anyone please step forward and reveal what the left or any other political organization has to offer other than complaints and how they hate republicans, no rhetoric please." Yes, we would not want to respond to a factually vacuous post laden with extreme rhetoric with our own rhetoric. Trick question walker: Who becomes governor if Snyder gets recalled? Good Night and Good Luck
Max Peters
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:21 a.m.
Is anything he's doing a surprise? He's in for less than a year and he's already getting recalled? Good grief. This is not a democracy, folks. It's a republic and the founders realized the difference and did not want a democracy for this very reason. We elected him, we've got him. Suck it up and admit you lost the election.
grye
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 4:12 p.m.
I don't believe the recall will pass. Enough people realize that drastic changes were necessary to correct the path on which the economy was headed. These kinds of decisions will never make everyone happy, much less make anyone completely satisfied. Everyone will have some objection to the decisions made. There are many that are willing to tough it out until the economy turns around and jobs begin to bloom. I believe Snyder is providing the best opportunity for this to happen. Time will tell. Hopefully others will give him the same benefit of doubt.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:58 a.m.
Nonsense. 1) The founders were concerned solely with the national government. They could not have cared less about what the individual states did. If you don't believe me, I suggest you read the 1st Amendment, which begins "Congress shall make no law . . . " In other words, states were perfectly free to make laws that infringed upon those rights. 2) Snyder won the election with a whopping 58% of the vote--a huge margin. He got that margin by running a moderate campaign and attracting moderate voters. This recall will fail miserably if the moderates who voted for him remain loyal to him. 3) But it seems likely that many of the moderates will not remain loyal to him. Why? Because after running a moderate campaign, he has governed from the extreme right of his party. And this is EXACTLY why the recall exists: to fire politicians who fundamentally misrepresent the way in which they will govern if elected. 4) You ask if anything Snyder is doing a surprise? Not to those of us who wondered how he was going to pay for a $1.5 billion tax cut his campaign promised, because his campaign was remarkably quiet on how those cuts were going to be paid for. But for those who did not require a simple mathematical explanation from their prospective governor, I suspect much of this is a huge surprise. As I've said above, I've not signed the petition and don't know if I will. And, if there is a recall election, I've not decided how I'll vote. But let's not pretend that the petitioners don't have a valid gripe. Good Night and Good Luck
asymptote
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:54 a.m.
If you want your kids educated well in Michigan, RECALL RICK NOW!!
stunhsif
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:28 a.m.
I believe quite the opposite, he is giving education a much needed "waake up" call. Getting rid of tenure will go a long way to improving the schools.
Macabre Sunset
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 11:45 p.m.
I was at the grocery store today, and they're already starting up the signatures to recall the winner of the 2014 gubernatorial election. One group of left-wingers, afraid that Snyder might stay in office. And one group of right-wingers, preparing for Bernero or someone else in the employ of the unions. What a fun game this is - recalling every politician we didn't vote for in the first place. If only life were that easy.
Charlie Brown's Ghost
Wed, Jul 6, 2011 : 6:50 a.m.
Good Night and Good Grief
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:57 p.m.
Might I suggest you circulate a petition to put ending the recall on the ballot? Good Night and Good Luck
Macabre Sunset
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 10:51 p.m.
What it means is if you have a dedicated minority, you can continue to force new elections simply because you don't like who the majority elected. That is not democracy in action, that is the tyranny of the petulant. Good Ice Cream and Good Fudge Sauce
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:20 p.m.
Whatever the petition threshold, it will take a majority of people who bother voting to remove him. It could not be any more democratic. As for outside money, I'm certain that the Koch brothers, et. al., will be there with plenty of money if there is an election. And, after all, the Supreme Court has ruled that these expenditures, whatever their source (whether labor unions or the Koch bros) are free speech. So, if money = speech, that must be democratic, right? Good Night and Good Luck
Macabre Sunset
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 8:01 p.m.
Except that the threshold for signatures required to force someone out of office is only 25% of the people who actually voted - well under the number the opposition will receive even in a landslide. The tail can wag the dog. Add to that the fact that left-wing interests outside of Michigan are driving this campaign (it's been heavily publicized on Daily Kos, among other outlets), and this has nothing to do with Snyder's performance - it's just politics as practiced in America these days. Good Baserunning and Good Defense
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 11:01 a.m.
Interesting definition of undemocratic. A politician loses their job when a majority of their voting constituents decide to fire 'em. I question the efficacy of a recall, but it is hardly undemocratic. Good Night and Good Luck
Macabre Sunset
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 6:11 a.m.
Approval ratings for politicians are often well under 50% while the economy is in the dumps. This trend of starting a recall petition by every opponent is un-democratic, given the small percentage of people who can force an elected representative out of office. Remember that turnabout is going to be the norm in politics from now on. It's ugly and it's stupid. And no, I made up the part about student council. Hyperbole. Good Breakfast and Good Lunch.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:12 a.m.
"Seriously . . . . I think one of the petitions actually calls for the recall of Snyder's kid as student council vice president at Greenhills." Seriously? To answer your question, given that he won the election with 58% of the vote and, the last I saw, his approval rating was 33%, I'm betting more than a few people who voted for him have signed the petitions. For the record, I've not yet decided whether I will or won't sign the petition. But given that his record as governor is nothing like the moderate he ran as, I don't find it hard to believe that moderates who voted for him (and he needed many to get 58% of the vote) feel like they were lied to. Good Night and Good Luck
Macabre Sunset
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 2:25 a.m.
Seriously, though, what percentage of the people signing these petitions would vote for a Republican, ever, under any conditions? I think one of the petitions actually calls for the recall of Snyder's kid as student council vice president at Greenhills.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 2:02 a.m.
Perhaps had he been more clear about what he would do if elected, this wouldn't be happening? Good Night and Good Luck
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 10:03 p.m.
"i see a lot of improvement with the michigan economy." Really? Might you elaborate? Because the Snyder budget and tax cuts don't take effect until Oct. 1. Until then, we are still operating under the last Granholm budget. So please tell us how things have improved and how, exactly, Governor Snyder is responsible for it. Good Night and Good Luck
Peter
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 3:20 p.m.
Hey whoa, let's not bring facts and reality into this jingoistic cheerleading!
dading dont delete me bro
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 9:54 p.m.
@cm, you can't tell me you are worse off now than you were two years ago. i see a lot of improvement with the michigan economy. are you afraid of success? too many were suckling off the government before.
cm
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 9:36 p.m.
Are we able to say the State of Michigan is in a State of Emergency and appoint an emergency Governor?
cm
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 9:35 p.m.
Whatever it takes to get this staunch Rebuplican, business loving, "nerd" outta here.
dading dont delete me bro
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 8:50 p.m.
so with all this petition signing going on, i've been wanting to ask, who's the anti- have in mind to run this state? i can't handle another jenny. is snyder THAT BAD? he's finally undoing the attempted blowing away that never happened.
Edward R Murrow's Ghost
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 10:01 p.m.
Not up to them. If the guv is recalled, the Lt. guv will become guv. Good Night and Good Luck
Carl Ebach
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 7:35 p.m.
I signed one!
a2citizen
Tue, Jul 5, 2011 : 12:31 a.m.
Big deal. I signed two.
Tom Joad
Mon, Jul 4, 2011 : 6:05 p.m.
What Mark Halperin said...